Buenos Aires - 2004 Reports

[Bandy]

Sunday dilemma:

As El Ricardo and others have pointed out, that Sunday could easily be the worst day of the week regarding chica actions. I figured that out during my first trip. Since then, before I make any plans, I always make sure that Sundays are taken care of. If you like somebody during your weekday encounters, try to make a confirm date with her for Sunday. This is the easiest way I found to secure the Sundays. I don't even hit any clubs on Sunday nights anymore.

If you really want clubs on Sundays, visit the clubs where lots of Paraguayans and chicas from other countries are employed (Rio Cabaña --almost 90% from Paraguay). For them every day of the week is the same.

Café Orleans:

This trip I spent considerable time in this café. I found the best time and the day is Thursday, between 3 to 6 PM. Lots of younger and desirable chicas along with the regular maduras were available.

Café Excedra:

For best selections, go after midnight, especially during weekends (Moondog is absolutely right).

Of course, there is no hard and fast rules. But generally these observations are time tested.

Just my three (after devaluation) cents.

Bandy

[Dancesw/Chicas]

Hi amigos,
I am here in Buenos Aires for a little less than 2 weeks.
I plan on posting my experiences as soon I get back home.
Right now, I want know if there is another traveller in town
to hang out.
Basically, I do a lot of walking, visiting cafes and private
apartments plus some other incall places (with 1 to 3 girls
only).
My address: jamesofba@yahoo.com
Following someone post about Sundays, I went last night to
Salome and it was very quiet and kind of boring.
later, DWC

[MoonDog]

General Custer,

I'm glad the maps helped you.

Cafe Orleans if primarily a business man's cafe, so the best hours are from noon on during the normal business week.

Cafe Exedra is best after 3:00 p.m. on a business week, and may really get going during the late hours of the weekends, such as Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights up to around 2:00 a.m. All of this varies condsiderably from day to day and week to week. Like Orleans though, it is geared towards the business man, but does have a lot of activity during the late night hours.

I have found some very pretty girls in the cafes, so give them a fair chance.

Moondog

[Saint]

Who knows how to spell his name. Just ask for Gabriel or Gabrielle. I doubt they will ask you to spell out his name. Good luck.

[MoonDog]

Evan Escence,

Cafe Orleans is located at the corner of San Martin and Cordoba.

Moondog

[Daddy Rulz]

Mi General

I have to second Saints advice. As I wrote before, without a doubt the most amazing night I ever spent with a woman was with a girl from Black. It was my first trip to BsAs her name was Marlina, she was a Perfect 10 in face, body and attitude. No woman before or after has achieved the hat trick with me. The amount of money I spent was ridiculous as it was my first trip and I hadn't discovered this board ($200.00USD). As I said it was my first trip and only one month past devaluation, the exchange at the time was still around 2-1 I would never pay that amount today.

I look at Black in this manner, the cover is like walking into a topless bar. I'm looking for perfection and only perfection, otherwise they shouldn't be there. On other nights the chica/monger ratio is much more favorable. When it is full the whole side wall is shoulder to shoulder carne. You will get a lot of eye contact and they do this dance with only their hips that is kinda crazy but I love it. They are not allowed to approach you but they will squeeze between you and the person next to you to stand at the bar. Make use of that time, if they are cute squeeze a buttocks and kiss their cheek and say Hola. If you don't like their look, ignore them.

Personally I have never once had a problem discussing time/price before buying a drink. As I've posted before I also let them know very quickly that this isn't my first trip here (esso no es mi primera ves) and I'm not a stupid drunk Yanqui. If I ever encounter that scenario I would give them a little kiss on the cheek and thank them for their time and resume the hunt. My experience has always been that they will hang out for 5-10 minutes rubbing their tits on my chest and arms, with their hand on my thigh while they try to close the deal. Most will hit you at $100.00 to $200.00 USD, and won't settle for much less than $100.00 to $150.00 USD. Personally I just wont pay that much, so for me Black is more titillation than anything else.

I've taken 2 girls out of there, Marlina (cue the choir, Hallaluja, hallaluja, hallajua) and one other girl who's name escapes me. I took a buddy down there on a trip and He had just sold his company in the US for millions and was buying, so 4 of us went to Black as his treat. I've mentioned Marlina (again the choir) before, the other girl was $150 USD, 9.0 face, body attitude. We spent 2 hours in the room she got two pops out of me and was working on a third when I called it a night.

Gentleman I maintain the idea that WE, not the chicas hold all the Aces. They may have a monopoly on the tang but we have the cash. Most nights there are more chicas than mongers in the clubs, when you consider only mongers that are actually going to spend money then there are WAYYYYYYYY more of us. If you don't like the service your getting in the bar, IE. rushed unfriendly, then you are not going to like the service in your room. If you don't like the approach, thank them for their time and move on. There is no shortage of beautiful women to be found in BsAs for 150-200 pesos. And while I may disagree with our fearless leader about Black, the one thing I absolutely agree with him about is NEVER, EVER, not even once, pay first. Show them the money, let them smell the money but never pay until you have received what you have negotiated for. (this strategy will not work at apartments) Otherwise your going to get less service because in their minds, once they have the money in hand they are looking towards the next deal because you are done. Make this understood at the club before you leave and in your room when they try to weasel out of it, hand them 5 pesos and put your jacket back on. When they ask what it's for tell them their taxi because your going someplace else to find a different girl. They will quickly change their minds.

Sunday isn't that big of a mongering day, lots of girls don't work it and 1707 isn't even open. I'm not sure if it's a religious thing or a familia thing but that's alway been my experience. Things will slowly warm up during the week hitting and maintaining a fever pitch from Thursday through Saturday.

General I envy you, it would be cool to see the city through the eyes of a beginner once again. Have a blast, eat tons of good food, sample the different aspects of the mongering scene, tour the Opera House, and some museums, buy some coffee and sit in Plaza San Martin and watch the world go by. It's a great city with much more than mongering to be done. Don't get into any taxi's that don't say "radio taxi" on the back door and have a blast.

As Andres says, "hope this helps"

DR

[Ferolga777]

Saint

Minor spelling issue:

Are you sure the waiter's name is "Gabrielle" and not "Gabriel"? Like, Gabriel Garcia Marquez, known as "Gabo" by his friends?

Ferolga

[El Ricardo]

General Custer,
Good luck today/tonight! In my opinion, Sunday is just an awful night for mongering in the clubs. Perhaps its their day off, or maybe its a day to be with families. When I was making the rounds of "the triangle" on a Sunday (about 1 AM), it was really slim pickings. I would have been smarter to go home as you did and save my resources and energy for a better and more rested day. However, being an optimist, and recognizing that my time in BA is limited, I didn't do that. BUT, an experience like this helps me appreciate the one I had the next day!

I hope it works that way for you too!
ER

[Saint]

General Custer,

You approach Black the way many guys do. You have this preset notion in your head that you're going to have a bad time or that the girls will be cold. Don't. Could it happen? Of course, but if you go into ANY situation in life with a negative attitude you will most likely have bad results. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Your experience shows that those two clubs have the hottest girls. They will cost more. It's natural. Instead of expecting a bad attitude, try being positive. Some of my best sexual experiences in my life were with Black and Madaho girls. They are just girls just like every other girl out there. Behind the facade of being an expensive girl, they are just like any other girl out there and once you have get the chance to break their outer shell the results could prove to be very very good. Keep in mind though if you can't communicate with them then it will be difficult. Learn some Spanish and your sessions will improve drastically.

Your experience at Cafe Orleans mirrors every time I have gone there. Mostly older women past their prime. I gave up on those clubs long ago.

Good luck and have fun.

P.S. If anyone uses the strategy of saying you are a friend of Bobby or Gabrielle, please do actually use them if you decide to stay. I didn't give this advice for guys to be pikers. If you stay, please do order a drink and ask for Bobby or Gabrielle as your waiter. Tell them you are a friend of Saint (Santo) and they will take good care of you. Very nice guys.

[General Custer]

Day One - Live from BA

Today was my introduction to Buenos Aires, both as a city and mongering destination. In a nutshell, I love the city, even though I write this after returning home empty-handed from the boliches. But I´m getting ahead of myself.

Checked into the Dazzler, which is a decent little hotel, although the lobby in no way reflects the rooms, which are tiny, noisy, and very plain. However, the staff are extremely nice and helpful, and the price and location are pretty good.

First things first, ran around the block to the Libertad Cafe for cafe con leche and medialunas. Excellent. People watching is a lot of fun in BA. Lots of PDA in the streets, which is a nice change from the prude culture of the United States. I checked out the Clarin while there, but there was nothing that stood out in the adult classifieds today.

Note to those using your checking account ATM card in BA: make sure to call you bank while here to increase your withdrawl limit. I was able to get only 500 pesos before I was shut out, and using my credit cards would have incurred a 20% finance charge. I purchased some calling cards from a kiosk (5 pesos), which for that price should give you 13-26 minutes of talk time depending on where in the United States you call.

Next, I went to the San Telmo fair. Okay touristy thing to do, but I wasn´t in the mood to buy anything. Made the mistake of telling the taxi driver it was first time in BA, so he took it upon himself to give me a tour on the way to San Telmo, but it didn´t add terribly to the meter. Can anyone tell me what the standard tip is for taxis here? I´ve just been rounding it up and adding a peso, without complaint from the drivers, but I don't want to be a cheapskate if I should be tipping more.

Got back and went to a nearby locuturio. Ridiculously cheap at 1 peso an hour with a nice, fast connection. From there, I decided to check out the afternoon action at Cafe Orleans and Excedra. Kudos to Moondog for his maps which made getting around BA today a piece of cake. Orleans was interesting. Mainly older (late 30´s, early 40´s), busty MILFs there today at 4 p.m. They were falling all over themselves to attract my attention, one even taking off her jacket and adjusting her bra in plain sight 4 or 5 times, checking herself out in the mirror right next to my table. One younger Paraguayan woman wanted to talk with me as I left, but the scene was not for me today. It´s an interesting place, though, and I´ll check it out again at prime time during the week. Only one working woman, past her prime, was at Excedra when I passed it on the walk back to my hotel.

Dinner at Cabañas Las Lilas was, frankly, the highlight of my day. I´ve never had bife de lomo that good (by the way, you ask for medium well by requesting the beef ´tres quartos´). Puerto Madero was also the coolest place to hang out, watching the boat travel up by the restaurant and couples walking along the waterfront. Really classy.

Finally, to the clubs. I decided to go to Madahos as my introduction to the BA boliches. Saint's recommendation to say you're a friend of Gabriel or Bobby worked to waive the cover charge, but a coke was 30 pesos - ouch. Was hit on by a couple of girls who I shooed away (one with an upper respiratory infection - thanks, chica), and settled in to watch the show. I may have seen some of you there, but most mongers were paired up, so I just chilled by myself. The feature dancers are hot, and one blond was really dancing up a storm in a minimalist style that was sensual in a way that American pole gymnastics isn´t. A really hot brunette was sitting to my left and no amount of smiling or looks from my part got her over to me, so I went over and introduced myself. She is 27 from Brazil, a solid 8 with a beautiful smile, and was willing to leave for 200 pesos plus 50 pesos bar fine, but for just 1 hour, with no BBBJ, DATY, or pictures (I know, I know, but if I'm getting the same service I could get in the States, I want mementos), so no go on the deal. This was at 3 in the morning, and she seemed content to go home without cash. I wasn't into anyone else there, so, in a moment of weakness and persuasion from a cabbie (I'm such a lazy ass), we arrive at

Black.

At this point, Jackson must be cracking a smile, because he knows what comes next. I pay my 25 entrance/drink fee and the first bad sign is 6-7 hot women leaving past me for the night. The average woman I saw at Black was indeed better looking than the average woman I saw at Madahos. I started to speak with hottest girl in the room (of a choice of about 7 left), who was probably a high 8 in the face and low 8 on the body. She would not entertain discussing price with me until I would buy her a drink (strike one: she said she didn´t know how much chica drink prices are. She also maintained that it was policy to buy a chica a drink and that she got no cut of it. Without mentioning the board - the old 'a friend of mine' - I pointed out that someone told me that the owner had informed him that there was no such requirement. She insisted I was wrong). Before the waitress came by, I asked, still without talking price here, how long of a time together we would have (strike two: she said time was not an issue; read, 'you come, I go'). Finally, the waitress arrived and said the chica drink would be 40-80 pesos. I told the girl flat out I was not going to buy her a drink without knowing what pie-in-the-sky price she would be asking. Strike 3, she leaves (or should that be a walk?). Disgusted at the whole process, I leave and vow to return when hell freezes over (or if my little brain gets desperate, whichever comes first).

So what kind of idiot goes to BA and doesn't immediately get laid? That would be me. But you know what, the service I was going to receive was doubtlessly mercenary, so I'll sleep just fine with the 250 to 300 pesos I saved, thank you very much. Let's chalk it up to being a Sunday night. Tomorrow, I try the apartments and the clubs in centro. Wish me luck.

GC

[L Duke]

Amazing Race/MTV Road Rules Extreme!!!

Last March when I was headed to the airport my remis passed and then pulled in front of a colorfully painted RV which had a cow skull and horns attached to the front of it. Painted on the RV was "Road Rules Extreme". I had a chance to look into and wave at the cast members as we pulled into the toll booth, headed to the airport.

Recently I was channel surfing and found an episode of Road Rules where the cast was in Buenos Aires. Their mission was to do a tango show supended 100 feet in the air, right next to the Plazoleta Olazabal.

Does anyone recall seeing or hearing about this? I believe they were there around the middle of March.

I also recall there was an episode of Amazing Race in Buenos Aires that was aired recently. Many places such as Recoleta, Puerto Madero and Centro were shown on both shows.

Funny that 2 very mainstream US reality shows would shoot and air in the same year. Is this a sign that Buenos Aires is trying or becoming a more mainstream tourist destination? Both shows, I'm sure needed permission and cooperation from the at least the city government to do the things they did.

[Saint]

I'm just back from Montevideo, Uruguay and posted a trip report in the Montevideo section. I only hobbied one night and it was very quick. Still, people like Dickhead (and your crew) might want to investigate the place. It's dirt cheap there which would probably appeal to you. Hope it helps.

Saint

[Frans]

Brigitte de Platynum.

She receives high marks on the Bairesgirls forum so I decided to give it a go.

Well I was a bit disappointed. Called her, went to her flat in MT Alvear.

100P la hora servicio completo.

The lady is nice but not as sexy, to my taste, as her pictures may suggest.

1M65, 35 years old, a bit more heavy than her pics.

BBJ OK, sex ok but nothing really to write home about. I left after 30 minutes and one shot.

[Dickhead]

RE: Nuevo Estilo

Although manager José told me I could take my chicas to whatever transitorio I wanted, the chicas that I talked to told me they would have to pay considerably more at the other three in the neighborhood, including the nice new one they formerly used. That adversely affected my negotiations and I went to the "recommended" one instead and had no problems. It is not of white wine yuppie quality, however. My chica said it will improve, with TVs and so forth to be installed. I don't give a shit so it was fine with me regardless.

Some of you may know that NEB takes a cut of the girls' earnings. This is illegal, as is the arrangement at Rio Cabaña. That may or may not bother you. What I did was to discuss with my chica why she wants to work at NEB as opposed to say the
Triangle (her sister works in one of the clubs in the triangle). She said it is because of the security. If they have problems someone comes running. She told me some horror stories of things she has heard that allegedly happened to some other chicas at Madaho's or somewhere.

I say this is bullshit and is management intimidating the chicas. I think I will no longer have sex at NEB for this reason, and will only go for the shows and drinks. Also I talked to Antonela and she said that if they turn down a paying customer, they get a lot of flak. She was with this gross disgusting guy and that is why I asked.

But on another note, the last lesbian show with Pamela and two other chicas was really good. So decide for yourselves but my thinking is this place is a little too Mafiosa for my comfort, as far as sex is concerned. Plus I heard from two different chicas that take out is no longer an option, although I think it depends on who you are.

[General Custer]

I´m sitting here in Bogota waiting for my flight to Buenos Aires. Wouldn´t you know it, my wingman´s flight out of Miami got nixed due to the hurricane (as did basically any flight after 6:00 p.m.), and my flight just made it under the wire of cancellation. He may be coming in on a flight tomorrow, but it´s still up in the air. In any case, I´ll be flying solo in BA tomorrow, and plan on taking in the sights, maybe stopping in at one of the cafes (given the slim pickings on Sunday afternoons), but if anyone´s up for hitting the clubs tomorrow night, PM me and let me know what´s up.

GC