Ciudad Juarez - 2002 Reports

[Dougie]

Rich, you'll do OK without being able to speak spanish, although it is a big help. I am trying to learn but it is slow as I don't have anyone here to practice on. In the Zona they are used to gringos that speak no spanish. In the MPs you will find that most of the girls speak only spanish but there will generally be someone in there that speaks enough english to manage. Once you get in the room you will be speaking the "universal language" anyway.

I have used the ATMs at both Citibank and Bancomer in Juarez with no problem. There are plenty of banks so you will not have any problem finding an ATM. I do recall getting a slightly less favorable rate for the exchange than I would have gotten had I exchanged actual greenbacks at the casa de cambio but it was reasonable. I also do not recall how much the ATM fee, if any, was for using the ATM. I know MY bank charged and ATM fee for using an ATM out of their system but they would have charged me that anyway even in the US. I will go back and check the statements and see if I can decipher whether or not the Mexican banks charged me an ATM fee or not. Seriously though, it is not an issue. Have fun.

[Dougie]

Rich, this is a personal opinion but the best place to park in EP is at the airport long term parking. It is $4/day (cheaper than the places on the border) and is ABSOLUTELY safe. I avoid parking overnight in downtown EP or by the border. I know folks, including Elk Dreamer, who have had their cars broken into while parked on the border. From the EP airport, you can then make your way to the EP downtown area on Sun Metro for the extravagant sum of $1 and then walk across the bridge to El Centro in Juarez. I forgot the exact route number of the bus you take but I will look it up later and post it. Or park at the EP airport and ride a bicycle to Mexico as I have been known to do on occasion. Once in Phoenix I left my car at the airport for a week with the driver's window down (made sure I locked the doors though). Nothing got stolen but a freak rainstorm wet the interior down real good for me. Luckily, being in Phoenix, it dried out pretty quickly. Morale of the story, airports are very safe, especially after the events of last fall. Every cloud really does have a silver lining.

You can use the public transportation in Juarez also, but you will need to learn the routes the "hard way" since there are no published routes or schedules. I know the busses marked "Ruta Central" and "Circunvalation" go right by the Villa Manport, and the other busses have their destinations/routes written on the windshields with a paint marker. Nice if you know where you are going, not so nice if you are not familiar with the city.

And as far as places to stay in MX, the Villa Manport is great. It consists of a main hotel and an "annex" they call the cabana. The main hotel lacks "secure" parking but to get to the rooms you have to go through the lobby and up the stairs. The cabanas have a little guard shack you must pass to get to the parking area but you enter the rooms directly from the parking lot, like a motel. In other words, there is a tradeoff between the two, with the main hotel being having less secure parking and more secure rooms than the cabanas. I prefer the main hotel.

As far as driving, I am prejudiced against taking a car across the border for a number of reasons. First, the lines to get back to the US can be a real MF, just ask Elk Dreamer about that. Second, you must purchase Mexican auto insurance which is somewhat expensive for short term rates. Third, the cops are likely to fuck with you for the least little thing if you have US tags on your car. IMHO, the best move is to leave the car at the airport and walk, ride a bicycle or ride the bus while in Juarez.

[Beetlejuice]

Parking is available on the US side for about 5 - 8 dollars a day. I suppose it's a secure as can be expected.

Staying at the Hotel Villa Manport is a good choice. Current rate has been around 27 USD per night. The parking there isn't what you'd call secure but is you just use common sense like don't leave valuables in plain view & lock your car you shouldn't have a problem. While staying there, take a walk around the immediate area & you'll probably find everything you're looking for. A couple MPs, a nice restaurant, Pappagallos bar.

If this is your first time visiting juarez, take the time to become familiar with the downtown (tourist) area then work your way out from there. Find yourself some landmarks & get to know some of the major streets. This can help you if you become lost which is easy to do in Juarez.

Copy & print some info from this board that you think might be useful to you. I've found that most the directions to certain places mentioned here are quite accurate thanks to folks like DreamingEagle & others. On that note, be sure & read the other posts regarding some of the hazards of the city. A lot of the guys that contribute here either have lived there or live close by & know what to avoid.

Use your ATM card to get pesos from the bank machines in Juarez. This will give you the current exchange rate & as far as I've seen, no service charge. It's been my experience that using pesos is a lot more convient that using dollars but anywhere you go will accept both. You just have to get used to the idea that when you pay for a beer with a 20 peso note, it's like paying with a 2 dollar bill, not a 20.

Outside the downtown area, lack of Spanish skill can be a bit of a problem. I spent weekends there & never heard a word of English. But that's all part of being in a foreign country.

To make the most of your trip, read this forum & the archives from beginning to end. Make notes on what info you think might help you out.

Be safe, use good judgment, don't get to wasted & above all, don't forget, you're in Mexico. Things are different there. Don't try to make comparisons between them & us. Accept the people for who they are & you should have no problems.

Let us all know how things go.

[DreamingEagle]

The real Juarez is what you make it.

Yesterday I went to Maseje Loryed and picked the same girl I have picked there the last two times. Last Saturday I left because she was busy, and I did not want to wait. This Saturday she was sitting in the parlour waiting along with four other girls.

She asked me about last Saturday, and I told her I could wait because I had company in town, which was the truth. I asked her how her two sons were doing, and she was obviously pleased I remembered their names and ages.

After my shower, she climbed on top of me and rubbed her big perfect tits all over me as she worked her way down for a long, bare back blow job. She's 22 years old and has a perfect tight little body, not skinny not fat, just right.

We put the condom on, and I fucked her for about twenty minutes with her screaming all the way until she finally clamped her legs together and fucked me back until we came together. She made so much noise another girl into the room while she was taking a shower to see what was going on in there. The other girl was also slender and cute, though I had never seen her before.

The night before I had spent the entire night drinking beer with my beautiful 25 year old neighbor until 6 a.m. in the morning. She is so much fun just to talk to I usually forget to fuck her, even though I can any time I want.

Sunday I drove south on Lopez Mateos and happened to see a nice little apartment for rent for only $125 a month complete with bedroom, living room, kitchen, and bathroom. I am thinking I will take it tomorrow when I can reach the landlord in El Paso.

Back on the street where I live the landlady fed me four tacos bistek and salad and beans for nothing, just because she's my friend and thinks of me as a son after living there for year.

I would love to know where anyone gets off putting this place down just because they have been here more years than I have. I think you can see what you want to see about a place for 20 years if you want to, and I have met more pendejo gringos than I can count who turned sour on Mexico when they were the problem all along. I think if you approach the place with an open mind and open heart you will discover things about the place other people will never see in a million years.

I'm sick and tired of people who have been coming here for a million years and have developed a jaundiced attitude about the place and think they have a monoply on the truth and want to lord their cynical views over the rest of us. Pobre pendejos que saben nada de la vida. Larga te! Moltesa me no mas. Hablo la verdad, no tú!

[DreamingEagle]

Yes, I have no idea where this price increase crap comes from from BorderJumper. Nothing has changed, not in el centro, not in the masajes. I have a great problem with this guy because he continues to trash Juarez for no reason. He hates Ricardo at Casa because his wife found refuge there after they broke up. When they broke up he actually went so far as to post pictures of her and tell everyone she had a veneral disease because he could not stand the thought of anyone fucking her. Before that all happened, Casa Colorado was the greatest place on earth to hear him tell it.

Also, he always touted Genesis on Montes de Oca as a great mesage parlour even though it was full of fat, gross, girls. He used to have a web site on which he posted pictures of fat *****s holding thier pussy lips open in ways that would make any normal guy puke at the very thought of touching them. He simply likes gross females. And when he likes a place he has to run down all of the other places and tell bold faced fucking lies about them.

I have been holding my tongue for a solid year about this guy, and that is no joke. I have also told him in personal emails if he continued to run down Juarez I would finally speak up.

Now he pretends he is not running down Juarez and concluded his remarks by stating lots of guys discover Juarez for the "shithole it is" when they come here.

Wait and see, when things go sour in NL it will become the shithole of the earth, and he will begin touting the virtues of the next place he chooses to inflict himself upon. And wait and see, things will eventually go to shit anywhere he goes.

Sorry, BorderJumper, but I've warned you a million times to quit telling lies about Juarez on the monger forums, and it's taken a year for me to decide to finally reveal the fact you are full of crap to an unbelievable degree. The sad thing is you totally believe your lies...

[Beetlejuice]

Hey, let Border Jumper rant all he wants about the short commings of Juarez. If it scares the less adverturous away & keeps things as they are without a massive influx of americans then more power to him.
I'm here now at at a internet rental place in Juarez. Just finished a great weekend & heading home in a few hours.
All I can tell you for the time being is things are great. The brothel/bars are pretty much the same as usual but the street action has improved 100% if you can pry yourself away from the red zone & check out the area along the tracks just east of Juarez Blvd.. There were actually a few 8s & 9s mixed in with the usual 4s & 5s. Going price ranged from 15-25 USD (less if you pay in pesos)
Also found a very interesting spot you'd never think to look with some nice looking chicas. I'm limited on time so I'll give a report on that when I get home..

[Border Rat]

BJ, I may be completely wrong about you disliking Juarez due to a bad relationship. While browsing the NL forum, I discovered that you have some type of tour and latina introduction business in NL. Could it be possible that promoting your services in NL and maintaining an objective view on other border cities is a conflict of interest? Who knows? Better yet, who cares? Why am I even bringing this up? Because I think that newbies here should know your angles, and not stay away from Juarez just because an experienced monger like yourself said it was a "cesspool."

Anyways, I shall not be lurking around these boards much longer. I'm re-entering the sociological ritual of dating non-working girls. Wish me luck! Hell, who am I kidding? I'll be back down in Juarez in a few weeks probably. It's so much simpler. Remember, we don't pay them to sleep with us. We pay them to leave afterwards! GL to all.

[Border Rat]

BJ, we all know that you lived in Juarez for many years, know all the bar owners, blah, blah,blah.....we also know that you married a bar girl there and got jerked around. IMO that detracts from your credibility in giving an honest assessment of the Juarez scene. I do agree that business is a little slower now, but not much more than a year ago. However, I have not noticed all the price increases you talk about. I'm still paying just a little more than I did 3 years ago. Just after 9/11 when business really slacked off because of the lines at the border, some of the bars even dropped prices on the girls. I still prefer the bars over the MP's. For pure sex and the best price, the MP's win hands down. I just like to price myself above the range of the locals. I hate thinking that every cholo with $30 in his pocket has been before me. Happy mongering.

[BorderJumper]

Not bashing Juarez or anything Border Rat. Just stating the facts. It's sad that Ricardo at the Casa is too damn stupid to realize the concept of supply and demand. None of us have the money we had a year ago. The truck drivers that is the core of his business don't have the money. When times are bad you don't increase prices and drive business away. And when there is no business the girls don't stay. Was it here I read there was only a couple of girls in the casa the other night? Club Panama basically the same way. And of course they demand the propina. Take Chito of Club Laura's who controls his girls with drugs for the most part. A good man but with a wrong business sense. Pancho at The Cave will bend over backwards to accomodate his customers because he understands the reality of the economy. Unfortunately, his establishment is often overlooked but I've had some good times in there and consider the man a close friend. I agree with DE about the MP's. they are the best deal in town for the price and the convenience. We disagree on which ones but his information is more up to date than mine. Hopefully, their prices will remain the same as they have been. Remember one thing though before you accuse me of bashing Juarez. I lived there for a number of years. I've been involved in the business of the bars and been friends and adversaries with some of the owners. I've traveled in circles and societies within the community that most of ya'll will never experience nor would you want to. No doubt the neighborhood that DE resides in is full of good decent people. Most of Juarez is. But to the traveler or monger going there to practice the hobby, Juarez will come off as the shit town that it is simply because of the type and charactor of the people involved in the business. The real Juarez, most people will never experience because you can't find it much less experience it unless you spend time there like DE and I have. FLAME ON AMIGOS! ME GUSTA MUCHO!!!

[DreamingEagle]

Amen, to the Juarez bashing. Funny how life is like a little trick image of the sort put in kids' cereal boxes---hold it one way, you see one thing, hold it another...

As I have said a dozen times before, Juarez may not be the best destination for a fantasy vacation---too hit and miss with a lot of the best offerings tucked away in hard to find massage parlours. Hence, a lot of bad press on the monger forums.

Whole different world when you have the time to explore and become familiar. They guy who paid $120 for 1 hour at Panama did not surprise me. When I first got here I paid $60 every time and even tipped the negotiator and the condom lady $5 each. I was so scared shitless of the streets I would not even walk to the ***** bars but took a cab. Still, compared to my life in Dallas where it was come home to my three cats and jack off every night it was immensely exciting and well worth the expense. In his mind it was $60 for one hour, therefore $120 for two hours.

When you are new and a visitor you are also eager to fuck---way too eager. When negotiating with the muchachas it has to get to the walk away stage, or she will not come down. On a slow night in the zona you should be able to get the girl down to $35-40. On a busy night you are going to have a very difficult time getting her to come down to anything below $50.

However, at Casa if you show up after 9 p.m. I guarantee you for $120 they will let you take the girl to your hotel all night. They will ask $150, but you just act like you just flat don't have it.

My interest in lower prices grew out of economic necessity, and now if more than 3 $10 bills disappears from my wallet for something really exceptional (in my eyes, anyway) I feel really stupid. But I don't want to make anyone feel stupid because they paid too much. We've probably all done it at one time or another.

[Border Rat]

hey Borderjumper, don't start up with the Juarez bashing again. Things are not near as bad here as you would like them to be. Last Friday it was packed, even during a major rainstorm. I haven't felt much of an increase in prices in the last few years. The peso went from 7-1 to almost 10-1, so the accompanying increase in peso prices should be expected. I've spend a great deal of time in NL and I actually prefer Juarez. The zona in your town is nice, but its just a zona. If you want to go to a real bar and get away from the scene, you have to take a taxi or drive. To even get to the zona, same story. I prefer being able to wander freely. Last time I was there (May) there was a raid on a club down by the donkey show that scared the crap out of me (and I don't scare easily). A big group of Narco-police or something with machine guns came bursting in and grabbed some guy, searched the place, and then took him away. These guys were pretty forceful and they meant business. Quite a stretch from the transitos that jack with you in Juarez.
On a related note ,I got stopped and searched on the street last Friday in Juarez. Seems like everytime I take a backpack that happens. They were decent and asked me where I learned Spanish. I wanted to tell then that when you have shagged as many Mexican girls as I have, you pick up a word or two. Didn't think that would help my case,so I told them the truth (Costa Rica). They were cool,and when they were done frisking and searching me, they told me one thing. "Remember, the police are your friends." (in spanish , of course.) Guess I was drunk enough at that point, as I actually believed them.

[ElPasoGentleman]

Yes, I agree with Beetlejuice. The time may have been worthwhile action-wise. But it is too pricey. Read through the numerous posts by some of the more sophisticated elements of the southwest region and you'll find several goldmines - for anywhere from $35-60 for an hour.

Of course you won't ALWAYS make it to heaven and back with each and every venture. But even if you get there several times a month - not bad.

Good hunting.

[Beetlejuice]

Uhm Pathfinder...
I'm not flaming you or anything but don't you think $120 + tips is a bit pricey especially considering it was a slow night?

[pathfinder77459]

hey guys! just wanted to give a quick report on tonights activities: monday 7/22/02

went across around 8pm and looked for girls near the central gym - very few to be seen on the streets and those that were out were not very attractive. from there i decided to check out the clubs near downtown (central). only two girls were in the red room so i opted to try club panama.

there were about 12 girls available in club panama but only 2 that i had any desire to spend time with. most were a bit on the chunky side and seemed disinterested. as always, the waiters were very pushy about buying drinks or getting you back to a room - i really hate this and finally told them to leave me alone until i called for them (didn't work though).

I chose a very pretty 22 year old girl named Nina to spend time with in her room. she is about 5'6 115# with VERY perky breasts, long brown hair and a beautiful smile and attitude. price was as usual for the club - 60 for a half hour or 120 for the full hour. after asking her if we could have sex more than once in an hour i opted for the longer time. the waiter walks you back to the room and wants a tip for that as well. Also have to tip the house mother for condoms and toilet paper (4 bucks! - they are getting out of hand with asking for tips!).

all tipping paid - the time spent with this girl was well worth the almost 130 i spent. she took things slowly and let me enjoy my stay with her instead of rushing like most girls do. it was very much a girlfriend like experience. she let me touch and kiss where i wanted before moving on to a bareback bj (not over enthusiastic but very good just the same). once the condom went on, we had sex in several positions with her letting me take my time to make it last - finally cumming on her tummy. we talked for a while while i recovered then she used her hands to get me hard again. new condom and more fun.

I will definately go see her again when i come through elpaso next month! I liked her unrushed attitude and apparent enjoyment of our time together. not to mention that she has a very nice and tight (inside and out) body!

[ElPasoGentleman]

Very interesting posts! I enjoy each and every one of them. As we all walk out on this "gang plank of life" (and believe me, in reality, we all end up dead) - one has choices to make. Do you look down at the sharks and scream, "Oh my God! I'm going to get eaten alive!!!" Or do you look beyond for those few remaining moments and view the beautiful sunset adrift with fluffy clouds amidst the robine egg blue sky?

Each one of us brings a certain mindset that establishes the framework of how and what we think and feel. And we bring this into a mixture of other peoples who themselves possess a certain mindset that establishes how and what THEY think and feel.

One man's poison is another man's milk. And I've seen several of you mention about the rewards of having tolerance, of not imposing YOUR mindset on others and of just enjoying different cultures the way they exist.

Personally, I look forward to really getting emotionally involved with a gal whether it be a bar girl or otherwise. It may last and it may not. But for sure during the trip, I will be as sincere and genuine as possible even though I may NOT get the same response. I've found a gal that really turns me on chemistry-wise. And the sex is all that much greater. In fact, it's fantastic!! And she comes through with orgasims where there ain't no faking. It's so exciting to see her build and build in sexual fervor and then really explode, taking several minutes to wind it down to the point where she can generate that little smile and a great sigh of relief. And then I take my turn and ..... well, you get the point.

Best wishes to all of you and I hope Juarez stays relatively safe, secure and reasonably priced for all of us. Or, if it takes a turn for the worse, let's start our own professional organization and call it something like, "Pisssed off Peckers from El Paso". We could form a small group to lobby for better prices, conditions, etc., etc. Any takers?