Ciudad Juarez - 2002 Reports

[IveGotBigBalls]

Borderjumper! I hear you. They've done the same thing in TJ. The drink prices went up in places like Adelita's. Not much but enough to make it annoying. It translates to a smaller tip for the bartender or waiter since the change isn't as much. Hotels like the Nelson and LVZ also went up to where you almost don't have a choice but to stay in La Zona Rosa which isn't always the one best choice if you want some peace and quiet. More of the girls now want top tier but if you hold out they'll coe down to a reasonable proce though it sometimes leads to poor service. Now, this really bugs me since I can't understand why someone would not put out in a manner that would insure repeat customers.

[BorderJumper]

Thx for the input...Not rose colored. More realistic. Unfortunately, the women you speak of in this economy would be lucky to pull down a couple of hundred a week. What I've noticed about Juarez is the stupidity of the people there in the industry. With the US economy as it is and people not having the money to spend as they have in years past, what do the bar owners do? Raise the fucking prices to try and compensate for the decrease in business. Where is the rationale in this? Unfortunately, the Juarez bar scene has deteriorated from years past. I have to agree with Dreamingeagle that the MP's are the way to go. Over here in NL, the bar owners and girls take a more realistic view of the situation. Prices fluctuate with the economy and as a result, business is steady. For instance, last night in Boystown, it was so packed, you could barely drive through there. The exchange here is now 9.60 to 1 down from 9.95 last week. Something is right here!

[Border Rat]

borderjumper, you make some valid points and definitely have a more positive (albeit a little rose-colored) view on the whole situation. Sorry if I ruffled some feathers with that last post. I do have a lot of experience with the mexican culture (mexican-american, border, and interior) and never try to impose my own morals or ideals upon the locals. All I am saying is that there are a ton of beautiful girls in Juarez that could easily pull in a grand a week, yet are above working in the zona. Call it morals, ethics, pride, or decency. They are a cut above the bar girls. I agree that some of these bar girls are able to "divorce" themselves from work to reality, but this capacity to do so opens up a HUGE can of worms. It's hard enough to have faith in a "regular" latina. I'm glad that things are going well with your girl, but I assure you that you are in the 1% bracket in that regard.........So why would a gringo be interested in marrying a bar girl? Pure and simple, availability and accessibility. The possibility of a middle-aged man having a pretty, young wife is indeed a nice thought, but everything comes with a price. Good luck to you.

[BorderJumper]

Reasoning behind it Border Rat...Why does anyone get married? I married one out of the bar, The Cave and had a good run of about a year out of it. Not sure the reason it failed, I have my thoughts on it but nothing concrete. You got to look beyond what these women are doing when you meet them and if something serious comes of the relationship, go with it if it feel s comfortable. We look at our moralistic view of the world and these girls look at what they are doing the same as if the were going to work in a factory each day. Nothing more nor less. To them the sex is not sex, but a job. Pure and simple. It took me a long time to realize that but there it is. Questionable morals? Not really. The person they are away from the job is the one with tthe morals. These women basically divorce themselves from reality to work in this occupation. I'm with one now that takes every opportunity she can to remind me how much she appreciates everything I do for her, not once, but dozens of times a day. Look beyond the limited scope of your own morals and immerse yourself in the culture of mexico in a non-judgmental way and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at what you discover!

[Border Rat]

Went down to Juarez on Wednesday. Did the usual tour of clubs. Funny thing happened at Laura's. I was using the restroom and this other gringo came in there to do his business. He asked me if I knew a "really classy" restaurant to take his girl to. He was meeting this girl here for the first time that he met on some mail-order bride website. I asked him if he knew what kind of place this was and he said "yeah, it's a cantina." I didn't have the heart to tell him his bride-to-be was a working girl. Poor guy, but I firmly believe that everyone gets what they deserve. He might have been better served doing a little research on a fine website like this one.
It's amazing how many gringos have been married to these bar girls. I will never understand the reasoning behind that. Maybe they think they can "save" the girl, or "take her away from all this." I have fell for a couple of them, myself. One even quit her part-time bar job for me(she had a good day job), but I just couldn't be serious about a girl with questionable morals. How do you trust a girl lke that? I realize that legitimate jobs are scarce and low-paying for them, but I know a lot of girls down there have 3 kids and no husband, and somehow they manage to make ends meet without working in the red-light district. I'm not complaining about the choice of employment for the bar girls, but as hobbyists, we must clearly understand the purpose they serve. It's not hard to blur the lines of reality when you are on Fantasy Island.

[ElPasoGentleman]

Hey, I just got back from a little vacation stint to downtown Chicago - my real heartthrob. But soon after buying a nice bracelet for one of the chiqitas in Juarez, I made a major breakthrough with my old co-worker. Her name is I-wen from Taiwan. What a beauty!!! - 23 years old, beautiful face, twinkling/flashing eyes. a radiant smile, killer dimples and when she wrinkles her nose as she talks, it drives me crazy inside. But on the outside, I'm trying to remain calm and collected. Anyway, she has been very cautious with me and I've been very, very patient. And when she whispered to me that she really enjoyed lunch with me the day before, as well as mentioning that mayble she could come down to El Paso for a new experience - I really had to fight hard to keep from coming totally unglued. Anyway, shit, I just love these women and what would this world be like if only guys inhabited this earth. What a depressing thought (no offense guys)!!!!! So I will still go to see my chiqita and give her the gift. She's so sweet. But I'm so torn between the two or ten and I love it.

Lastly, right before leaving for vacation and immediately afterward, I had trouble logging on to this site with my saved website. Finally, I did a search on Webcrawler and got back in real easy. I was afraid the board was down. I'm so glad to be back and it's enjoyable reading all of the posts. I will be cautious about Laura's but would really be upset if I had a run in with the cops or anyone else. But, that the way it goes. One never knows.

[DreamingEagle]

I hope you do have a good time, man... Despite all the cars and loud music and hustlers on the streets, this is still the land of Billy The Kid and Pancho Vila, and when you have a fine muchacha in your arms---even in a ***** bar or MP---you realize modernity has done nothing to dampen it's charm. Each of us is just one more little gringo ant who has marched down here following a trail of sugar crumbs which has been there over 300 years leading us all to some really great pussy, good laughs, and memorable---and sometimes hair-raising experiences. To me, it's like the Halodeck on the SE. You punch in the fantasy, and it always comes true, but---surprise---with a few twists you had not anticipated, were not part of the script you read but just thrown in to test you a little. I think that little element of danger mixed up with the guarantee of some hot sex turns us all on.

Viva Mexico!

Looking forward to your report. That's our little reward for sharing what little we know.

[Border Rat]

I guess I can throw in directions to the Pink Lady since DE did such a good job with the other bars. Facing the Casa Colorada walk left (south) one blk, right two blks, and left one blk. If you don't see it there, walk one more blk to the right. You really can't miss it since it is an oasis of smut in the midst of a desert of civilization. I never really liked the PL as the girls there are usually more aggressive than the other bars. It's out of the way, overpriced, and the taxistas pimp it. Some hobbyists swear by it, but I guess that's a personal preference thing. Oh yeah, there is a Manport hotel a blk down from the PL, but it's not the same one spoken of on this board. Stayed there once. Quiet on the interior upper floors, but a little pricey. $30 or 35, can't remember. I should be down there in Cj Friday. Good luck.

[DreamingEagle]

One more thing: There is a big guy with a big mustache in his late 30's or early 40's named Martin who works at Club Panama who will show you around the zona for a beer or two and maybe a $5 tip. He lived in the U.S. for a long time and speaks English as good as we do. Having known him two years, I can assure you this guy will not fuck you around. He will take you into a few of the little out of the way bars which might have 1 or 2 girls and may just show you something you cannot refuse. Or he will just walk you where you want to go. He won't pressure you for money either. Just give him what you think is fair, and he will be happy. Once you have made the tour with him you won't be lost any more down there.

[DreamingEagle]

To get to the ***** bars, walk down Ave. Juarez as posted until you come to Martinez and turn right. You will come to big building on the left side of the street which is the municipal gynmasium. The building ends at the corner of Martinez and Delgallado. You have two choice here.

Turn left on Delgallago and come to Club Panama about a block further. It has a fake marble facade with the name of the place in green letters. Or go straight on Martinez a couple more blocks until you come to little red two-story building which says "San Souci" on the sign. That's Casa Colorado. No one knows why the sign says one thing and everyone calls it another, but that's it.

There is another one called The Pink Lady, but I'm way too fuzzy on my directions. You have to turn left in front of Casa Colorado and walk to the next street. Club Laura's is at that corner and has girls but it's infested with drugs. From there you turn right and then left and do some kind of little zig-zag I'm not going to try and describe. You will just have to ask around from Panama or Casa to get to the Pink Lady. I don't want to mislead you and get you lost in that part of town. But you follow these directions, and you will get safely to Club Panama and Casa Colorado.

The reason we say do not take a cab to the clubs is because the driver will hang around and jaundice your deal with the negotiator. They get a kickback and will hang around playing pool or drinking a beer (which you usually buy) until you pick a girl to make sure they get the tip. It's a safe walk from Ave. Juarez, so why bother?

I say it's a safe walk provided you stick to that little Martinez to Casa or Martinez to Delgallado to Panama route. I would not recommend you just wander the streets in that part of Juarez, although you will find lots of guys posting who spend the whole evening down there checking out bar after bar. But they know the place. A pretty good rule is that if you start walking down a street, and all of a sudden you do not see a lot of other people, get your ass back the way it came. And do not even start a conversation with any of the would-be pimps/drug-dealers/tour guides down there. Just say "no gracious" and keep walking.

All that said, I have to add I hate that part of Juarez at night and never go there except in the afternoons. I hate that part of town because it's the only part of the city I don't feel safe, ever, not even fully in the day time.

As far as hotels down there, everything in el centro I have seen is a flea bag. You can pay a taxi $6-8 for a ride to the Villa Manport Hotel at Hermanos Escobar and Panama and sleep in secure, air-conditioned comfort for a measly $35 a night. No one will fuck with you at the VM because you are arriving in the wake of a long stream of gringos who---thanks to these forums---have left a good reputation behind them. They like us there, and Sirena's Massage Parlour is right across the street.

It will only cost you $5 to get downtown from the VM if you want to go back to the *****bars in a taxi. Just have them drop you off at 16 de Septiembre and Ave. Juarez and walk the rest of the way with the directions posted.

Unless drinking is part of your pleasure regarding the pussy---which it is for some and something I understand having been young once---you will soon tire of the ***** bars in favor of the massage parlours.

[Border Rat]

clam

All the bars with girls are located in about a 3 block radius. The MP's are far away and spread out. From the Santa Fe bridge, walk down Avenida Juarez til you get to Ma. Martinez street. Turn right, walk two blocks and you are really close. DO NOT take a taxi if you are just going to the bars. Check the archives if you haven't already done so. Anything by Dreaming Eagle is good stuff with lots of directions. Good luck.

[DreamingEagle]

actually, man, i'll swear this is the truth: my older american neighbor, george, could get them to come home for $10, and not just the fat ones, but some slender cute ones. he did it by just sitting there in his car saying $10 over and over and pointing up the street and saying another girl would go for $10. a few of them walked off from the car, but a lot of them finally said ok and got in. then they would hang around his apartment because he would feed them and let them sleep a few hours. some of them would come back looking for handouts later, like stray cats. some of them were even ****, and, man, it caused a lot of problems in the apartment building because he had all these problem girls coming around. he finally could not pay the rent and got evicted, and, although i learned a lot from him, it made my life a lot easier as another american when he finally left. had i not already been there a year before he came, the owner would have just cleaned the building of all the americans, and i do not anticipate he is going to be renting to any more americans even though we have vacancies. my buddy upstairs tells me words out among the neighbors that ron is ok, pero no mas gringos en el edificio, por favor!

i just don't have that kind of a hard-ass. i say give the girl $15-20 bucks. sheeh, i'm not conquistador, and i don't take any smarmy pride in being a savvy man of the world because i can make some poor female in a third world country fuck me for $10. i mean enough is enough, man.

on the whole topic of americans in mexico, i have met a lot of really decent guys who are frequenting the ***** bars and mps in juarez. they are not out to fuck anyone around, show lots of respect for the locals, are not big mouths, and are really just there to have a good time with the girls.

but a lot of the gringos actually living there are some warped dudes, let me tell you, and my advice is avoid them at all cost. i've run across about five of them. don't ever be fooled by that "i've been living here <xx> years and know these people for the rats they are and if you have any sense you will let me preach to you" bullshit, either. because most of them are living there because they could not play well with other people in the u.s., if you know what i mean, so there problems follow them anywhere they go... they know nothing about how to get into trouble with the mexicans, not get along with them.

and that stain will rub off on you really quickly by taint of association.

end of rant. i think $20 for a great fuck is a damn good price. it takes a lot of balls to get out on the streets of juarez until you find those kinds of deals, and i don't suggest anyone try it their first few times over here. el centro is a place i think you'd best wade into one little baby step at a time until you know what's going happening on the streets.

[Border Rat]

DE, wow, $15 is pretty cheap. I guess that is the going rate for a SW down there. Comparable to the market girls. That was fun. You pay by how much clothing she takes off. I had to walk thru this house where a family was having lunch and they rented you the room. The old lady is cooking tortillas, kids running around everywhere, and you're taking this ***** to the cuarto in the middle of all this. Good stuff! I think it was $20 with the room......another place to be careful in is The Cave. I was there once during a drug bust and I think I was the only one not sweating. I have seen very sexy women there, but they are a rarity.

[DreamingEagle]

border rat is very right about laura's being a bar which is very much into drugs. being paranoid probably to the extreme of [CodeWord109] stained jails cell on 100 degree days i just don't go in there anymore.

that's the trouble with the street girls, too. for $15 they will take the time to come to your house, but i am always worried about one of them having drugs on their persons. i think maybe the way to deal with them is fuck'em in the little rooms they use down there in that ratty hotel across the street from the gym. at least then you can't get accused of having them in your car.

actually, if you take the time to drive around and around the gym starting about 4-5 in the afternoon, there are a few real cuties working the streets.

[Border Rat]

EPG, good to hear you had a positive experience in CJ. I just happened to be at Laura's on Friday also. About 5 or 6 I think. Think I saw your girl there. Only one in the bar at the time, but she looked really nice. Never seen her before, and except for the past two months, I'm a twice a week visitor. Since I was recently unloaded, I didn't bother buying her drinks and talking to her. Maybe next time. Yeah, the owner Chito is a decent guy, but the whole bar is heavy into drugs, so be careful. While I was there, some police came in and sniffed around and then went upstairs and looked around some more. As far as police harrassment goes, I have been stopped and searched on the street 4 or 5 times out of over 100 visits. Once a cop took $20 out of my wallet, but if you speak a little spanish to them, they are usually pretty nice while they are fleecing you. Happy mongering.