Ciudad Juarez - 2002 Reports

[Beetlejuice]

E.P.G
My advice to you is don't try to understand Mexican politics. It's a waste of time. Just appreciate it for what it is. What I enjoy most about my visits it CDJ & other areas of Mexico ( besides the women) is the live & let live attitude of the people. Unless you're being a total asshole, no one will bother you. Of course there are plenty of visitor who do just that (act the fool) but they usually leave there with the attitude that they'll never return because they were treated "badly". I rarely go to the bars downtown with the intention of getting laid any more. I prefer the MPs. Rather, I go to watch the Americans get drunk & make total fools of themselves. Great entrainment....
A lot of people (men) I've talked to hate to go to Juarez cause they felt paranoid about the police. Some actually said they were being followed by them. By experience has been just the opposite. I always feel more relaxed in Juarez. This is because most people there, including the police, could give a shit why I'm there. They have better things to do. Not to say they aren't friendly. They most defiantly are but they aren't judging me for my reasons for being there. This isn't to say that there isn't danger in Juarez. You're just as likely to get robbed or mugged as anyone, including a CDJ resident that ends up in the wrong place at the wrong time. I mentioned in another forum that maybe that's part of the attraction of Juarez, the sense of danger but you'll find that in any large city.
I've really enjoyed your posts over the past few weeks. Hope you keep them coming. I really envy you for living close enough to visit Juarez as often as you do. My situation limits me to once or twice a month but it's always something to look forward to.
I was there its past weekend & kept a look out for a "monger" looking guy in a Beemer. saw a few. Wonder if it was you?
I'm going again in 3 weeks. Let me know & we can get together for a beer or maybe one of those 10 dollar, one leg outta the jeans piece of ass D.E. mentioned on another site. hahahaha

[ElPasoGentleman]

I don't think it was Ramon. This fellow was more stocky. He was a rather amiable chap, and I applaud him for his persistance. But, I did not need an escort. And I was reluctant to blow him off completely because, I can learn from people like him.

On my first trip into the zona last fall, I was approached by a gentleman who used to live in Memphis, Tenn. He showed me to the Pink Lady and I bought him a beer. I sort of like him.

But the fellow that approached me last week mentioned how the Pink Lady has a bunch of new women (that's probably a take off from some of the Madison Avenue stuff we see on TV or in the newspapers). And he told me how clean it was - I had not even said anything about the cleanliness.

I'm amazed at how many Hispanic El Pasoan's are afraid to go into Juarez. And then again, it does not surprise me based upon the stories I hear. A young Hispanic lady told me today that her mother and father DO NOT want her to go into Juarez. Yet, she has very fond memories of shopping at the City Market as a child (she's now 43 years old - so not really that young). But she told me how several years ago some banditos entered one or several restaurants, shooting guns at whomever and killing a number of people. She told me how mean the police are there. She got into a minor accident and had a difficult time; speaking to them in her broken Spanish, she erroneously told the cops she had "pissed on her auto parts" rather than saying she "ordered her auto parts." They laughed and laughed and made her say it again so they could laugh some more.

I'm sure my perception would change if I had a bad experience with banditos or with the cops. I can understand why banditos would not care about how they treat visitors or tourists. After all, I think it was Al Capone who said, "You can get a lot more out of life with a nice smile on your face and a gun in someone's back rather than with just a nice smile on your face." But I don't know why the cops would treat visitors and tourists badly. It seems to me that a sincere, concerted effort by all city personnel to accomodate visitors would be totally beneficial. What is the point in driving people to retreat. I think Juarez could use some Americano dollars - a lot of them. And spread it around rather than having it funneled to a few in power. I guess when it comes to corruption, there is a narrow thin line of people who benefit. And the masses suffer. When power is wielded by a few, the masses suffer. That's what I like about our great country. Not that we are devoid of corruption - just look at Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, Martha Stewart, etc., etc., etc. - but power is diffused throughout institutions and when corruption does surface, it is counteracted with a severity that sometimes goes overboard.

Hey, just some thoughts - just rambling on a Sunday night.

Good evening everyone!

[DreamingEagle]

That pest sounds like Ramon, and, trust me, if you ground the little bastard into the dirt 98% of the people who work in the zona would applaud you. He has no friends. Was he a slender build guy in his late 20's or early 30's with a few pockmarks on his face?

[ElPasoGentleman]

my faith has been renewed!!! at least for the mean time. after patronizing the mps for several months, i walked accross the santa fe bridge yesterday to check out a few of the bars in el centro. i had been to laura's before and enjoyed the quality of the women but was really turned off by the lack of cleanliness of the rooms.

but yesterday, it was as if they said to themselves, "here comes the elpasogentleman. he likes beautiful women, reasonable prices, clean facilities, and a no rush encounter." well, i got it. as i walked in to laura's, it was sort of dark after coming in from the bright sun light - but i immediately spotted a gal at the bar. she was not only very pretty, but she had those sensitive eyes and gave me the look that i am always seeking. she slipped me a quick smile as if she, too, was immediately impressed. she grabbed her purse very quickly off of the chair next to her to allow me to sit down. and sit down i did. we spoke very little but i peered deep into her eyes as she did likewise. hey, i'm fantasizing now but i enjoy it to the hilt. i know what the game is and i know what i like.

so i negotiated a $60, one hour deal which included tp, a condom, and a towel. when i got to the room, i could not believe it. it as a clean as any holiday inn - well almost. it had clean bedsheets. the bar lady told me that they know americans like it clean and she emphasized that i would have the entire hour with no rushing. i spent the most wonderful hour with a most gentle and responsive beautiful woman. she acted as if she really enjoyed it. but i know these gals need to be good actresses too if they want a tip. so afterward, we took a shower together. we scrubbed each other and it was a leisure time i'll never forget.

the owner, i forget his name, had even indicated that blanca, a gal i had met last winter, was now working down the street. he told me how to get there. i returned to laura's because blanca was not to be found and i enjoyed the treatment he gave to me.

anyway, it will be costing me a little more than the mps. but i am glad i went back. i did have trouble at the mps on those damn massage tables. they were so uncomfortable. at laura's i had a nice bed with some bounce to it. so, take it for what it's worth.

i did encounter a pesty fellow who wanted to escort me to the pink lady and several other bars. i got a little tired of him. he even waited an hour for me at laura's so he could escort me back into the bar. finally, the owner ask me if i was brought in by this gentleman or if he was just being a pest. i said, he is sort of being a pest and that i had come to laura's on my own. i know he's just trying to make a living, but i was not a virgin when it came to patronizing the el centro bars. so there you have it.

have a great weekend everyone!

[DreamingEagle]

Regarding your other question about NM and reduced salary, I still think moving here is the best decision my little pea-brain ever made.

I mean, I worry about things like can I afford a breakfast burrito in the morning when the burrito lady shows up at work. At $2 a day, that's $40 a month. It's kind of like being a poor but happy musician all over again when I had gotten used to never worrying about bills or money.

But then I show up at my apartment on V. Guerrero and find the old woman who runs the building sitting outside to escape the heat inside with her old dog, Chulie, flopped out beside her chair. Chulie jumps up when she sees me, and Carmilita takes my hand and tells me the latest gossip in the building. I usually sit down beside the dog and listen up. She talks to me like I am a tenant and a friend now, not some damn gringo who just turned out of the woodwork, because I am not someone who just showed up yesterday. I've been living there a year now. Carmilita likes me a whole lot more than she likes some of the Mexicans living there. These are the kind of changes time can bring about across cultures. I also trust her a hell of a lot more than I trust many Americans.

You don't get to know people overnight, and, once you do, it really does not matter what language is spoken or whose country you are in. If you make an honest effort to learn each other's language, you can get by with acting a fool and pantomiming things out until you are understood, until one day---surprise!---you don't even have to pantomime things out anymore. You have "learned each other", somehow, someway, and now communication is possible. When that finally happens, after all the effort on both of your parts, you just have to laugh and laugh together when you realize some kind of miracle has finally happened that allows you to talk. People are just people and work things out, or don't. It all depends on good will, and, once you've lost that, you have nothing. You keep that good will, and you have everything in a foreign country. It's almost a 100% win or 100% lose situation.

So, to answer your question, I'm kind of like Charleston Heston about his guns regarding Mexico. You can pry this place from my cold dead hands, and I will still be reaching for it. Marilyn's, LePetit, and Loryeds are just the MPs of the moment. The sand shifts here, and as long as the flowers of the nation's youth have to offer themselves up for our gringo dollars here the sand will keep shifting. Once you are here you don't have to pay even $35. You can find pussy for $10. You can feed her a bowl of frejoles for pussy, and she will be happy. It's just all how deeply you want to get involved---meaning just pay at the MPs and go home or have some beautiful homeless girl sleeping in your bed hoping you are the answer to her prayers.

Whatever you want, you can find it in Latin America, and not just Mexico or Latin America, but any third world country this planet. We have to be the luckiest guys on the planet to fly in or move in and have the best of the best of the country's young women to choose from. How much better can life get?

Just please don't be the conquistador. Not many are, but there are a few who have that strange attitude of being part of the master race, us being Americans of whatever color. I've come to love these people, and I have no patience with pendejos who treat them like servants. I would be like Kevin Kostner in "Dances with Wolves" when he spits out Sioux to the American soldiers holding him captive, but my words would be Spanish. Don't fuck with my friends, for I have become part of them now. I am no longer of your world.

So, yeah, I am pretty happy here...

[DreamingEagle]

ElPaso, strangely, you have zeroed in on what I think are the best three MPs in Juarez: Marilyn's, Loryed's, and LePetit. You definitely showed up at what is IMHO one of the worst, Genesis, on Montes de Oca---which only means most like your experiences will improve 100% in the three places you asked about.

Marilyn's is at 2900 Del Ejico, which runs west from Lopez Mateos. You find it by driving east on V. Guerrero until you come to the Rio Grande Mall at the big light at Lopez Mateos. Turn right on L. Mateos, which is the only way you can go, stay in the right lane, and drive to the 3rd or 4th stop light, which is Del Ejido. Turn right on Del Ejido and watch the numbers on the houses after you come to the first stop sign, which is Montes De Oca. Marilyn's is on the left side of the street at a corner of a side street. Look for a green building which looks pretty much like all the others and has the word "Marilyn" spray painted with black paint over the doorway, which faces the intersection, not Del Ejido. It's easy to miss, but the address is 2900. You can drive back to the stop sign at Montes de Oca and turn left and get to LePetit.

LePetit is located at De La Raza and Montes de Oca and is on the second floor of a tiny strip center on the southeast side of that intersection. Or, if you are coming from downtown on V. Guerrero, turn right on Costa Rica, turn left on Insurgentes, and then turn left on Montes de Oca. Don't have the address, but if you get to Montes de Oca and Ave. De La Raza you have it.

Loryed's is behind Hipermart off of Triunfo de Republica. Triunfo is really 16 de Septiembre, which is one way going downtown, after it turns into a 2-way street past the baseball park on V. Guerrero, which runs east from el centro. I know this is confusing, but it's the best I can do. Take V. Guerrero to the 4-way stop sign at the baseball park. Turn left, and then turn right on Triunfo De Republica. Just keep going. You will see a dome shaped building on the left side of the street which is a restaurant. Stay in the right lane. You will come to Hipermart around the bend to the right. Turn right on the right side of Hipermart and take that little street until it deadends at the back of Hipermart, which will be on your left. Loryeds is on the second floor of a little stip center overlooking the street ahead of you. I mean, it's right ahead of you. If you kept driving you would crash into the building.

I just reread all of this, and I realize it's like a hunt for the Xs on a treasure map, but it's the best I can do, and I assume you are driving. If you are in a taxi, here's all you need to tell the driver:

- Marilyn's - 2900 Del Ejido de Mateos Lopez
- LePetit - Avenida De La Raza y Montes de Oca
- Loryed - Hipermart, Triunfo De Republica

From downtown pay no more than $8 for Marilyn's or LePetit and no more than $10 for Loryed, and that's $2 high if you are in a hurry for a taxista.

You can also get to all these places on the bus, but, God, that would take 10,000 words and you would not be able to use the information anyway.

Best of luck.

[ElPasoGentleman]

DreamingEagle - can you give me the locations of three MP's? Marilyn's, LaPetite and Loyred. I believe you mentioned these in one of your postings. Thanks.

I finally made it to Genisis. It was not bad but I'm getting more picky as time goes by. It cost $35 and it was their "special promotion". The gal, however, also ask for a tip afterward. I told her next time. She was sweet.

So, other than the lower wages, how do you like NM? Did you like Dallas? Just curious. Isn't it amazing how life changes and you may be, at times, living in places and doing things that never in your wildest dreams just several years ago would you have imagined.

Anyway, have a safe and interesting 4th.

[DreamingEagle]

"It always seems to make them hotter and more eager to please you." Posted this regarding picking another girl over your favorita now and then. Funny you picked up on it this week since I was about to post a big qualifier. It sometimes does [CodeWord140] them off. Saturday before last I returned to an MP where I had selected a different girl the week before, and my usual girl was cold as ICE. And I'm talking about a girl who got so hot in the past she would let me start fucking her without a condom on. I was absolutely astounded, did not even finish, and almost let it ruin my weekend. The usual $5 propina was not forthcoming, and I did not even let her walk me to the door. So I guess it all depends on the girl. In this case, however, there are two or three more there who fit my requiremets, so I'm not going to let it bother me.

[ElPasoGentleman]

Hey, Dougie - I don't think Othalese is the same gal you were with. My Othalese, while not a bad looking gal, was not what you would call a real beautiful girl. She was average. Nothing more, nothing less. I sometimes like to uncover average looking gals if they have something hidden that is not readily apparent. Just the simple fact of a satisfying personality or a certain twinkle in the eye can go a long way with me. Other times, if a woman holds me and/or touches me in a way that is sensual, that, too, can go a long way.

Anyway, employment is tough down here. If you have a certain skill set, that is about your only hope. If you are seeking a routine position whether it's professional or non-professional, stay in Indiana. I had expertise in a certain software package that got me where I am in El Paso. Plus I had the all around experience of setting up and organizing an in-house accounting dept. over the years. So my skills got me here. Not anything else. If there is a demand for a certain skill set and if it is hard to fill with local people, you'll get your foot in the door.

Good luck.

[ElPasoGentleman]

"It always seems to make them hotter and more eager to please you" - now this might get interesting. I appreciated your comments, DreamingEagle. I haven't been back to see her and I yearn to go - perhaps next weekend. I'll try to catch her real name - is it Katrina, or Cornina, or what? I don't speak much Spanish but I sure have fun with several gals.

However, I am not real pleased with the quality in the bulk of the gals in the various MP's. I've been to Selena's, or course, and Felina's, to El Encontido??? near Selena's, Venus and to Corpus. I've not f*cked any gals at El Encontido or Corpus because they have NOT had anything of interest for me.

I do enjoy Katrina because she is petite and playful and I enjoy Janet at Venus. But even these gals have their limits when it comes to finger f*cking, and kissing, etc. But I find that as they get to know you more and if there is only playful pressure (god forbid any serious pressure) they get more liberal and really open up. There is definitely an element of trust that I have used successfully in the past with gals from the midwest. They just don't like the pressure. They like the layback, playful approach.

I had a session with Tamera at Felina's but did not enjoy her because, again, I felt rushed. She wanted to get right down to business. I want to tell them that I hope to be a regular and would not like to be treated as a passing tourist. But I can't communicate that to them except to patronize them regularly, I guess.

I have driven by Genesis and have not had the nerve to approach this place. There seems to be a number of guys hanging around this place. With my silver hair and white skin, I definitely cannot "fit in". When I walk the streets, I'm the first one the cab drivers will say, "Need a ride".

I see a number of gals on the streets whom I would love to get in their panties with. They are 10s. However, I am assuming that most of them are not working the streets. Even in El Paso, I see so many in public - god, I love these young things!!!

That's it for now.

[DreamingEagle]

She was not really upset. There used to be a girl there about the same size (can't remember her name), and I used to pick one or the other of them right in front of the other one all of time. I've read a lot of posts about guys trying to be "true" to a favorita and leaving if she is not there because of concerns about not getting great service in the future. But if anything, it always seems to make them hotter and more eager to please the next time. It's actually a great little game to play (not that it's really a game, because it's just what you want).

I used to do the same thing with two girls at Casa. Inevitably each one would be giving me a great blow job while telling me never to pick the other one. "No mas Monse," Celeste would say as she slapped herself across the face with my cock. "No mas Celeste," Monse would say just before her little head would start flying. I actually set aside enough dinero to have a little fucking contest with them at one point but could never catch them there together. Eventually, a third girl entered the same picture at Casa, Patti, and she could give them both a run for their money.

They all figured "so be it" and would say I wanted to fuck every woman in Mexico. "Sólo todos los jóvenes delgados" I would tell them (only all of the young slender ones).

The truth is that if they enjoying fucking you pleasuring a number of girls in the same place can make a world of difference when you walk in the door...

This picture all changes, however, the minute you enter into a real relationship. If you took Corina (you must get the correct spelling of her name if you don't mind) out to dinner and she spent the night with you for free, and *then* you picked another girl in front of her---oh, la la. You would have about 100 lbs. of Mexican tornado to deal with, I assure you, because then she would have invested some of her heart in you---only to be shit upon in front of the other girls.

You don't want a Mexican girl angry with you. She may be a little 100 pound girl, but she has male friends. If you really [CodeWord140] her off you will get to meet them. All she has to do is cry and tell them the story. Of course, you would have to do something really, really bad for that to happen.

Strange to say, but a girl can be a ***** and insanely jealous of you at the same time. I learned this the hard way after my neighbor fell in love with me. She would come in every Friday and Saturday night after work with her ***** glitter on her face wearing some tight outfit after fucking 10 men in the same day. But in her mind this was "business", and she felt like she should be the only woman in my life. She would get plenty pissed if she found a card from an MP or a phone number lying around in my apartment.

Kind of amazing, but it all has a certain logic to it, if you think about it. You are supposed to overlook what she does at work as an unfortunate necessity of survival, and she will tell you over and over again how she hates her job. In her mind, you are the one who has her heart, so you should not be needing to be with another woman. She will deeply resent the fact that you pay other women for sex and give her very little in the way of money, and, once again, not hard to understand given the cruel economic realities in Mexico.

Ah, well, too long of an answer, but you got me to thinking.

But I sure would not worry about playing eenie-meenie-miney-mo in a roomful of girls selling pussy minus a relationship with any of them. Having a little harem in one spot just causes a lot of talk about you, which is good, not bad. As you can see, I even advocate using this "professional" kind of jealousy to your advantage...

Que hora de cerrar mi boca y voy a México...

[ElPasoGentleman]

Okay, Dreaming Eagle, I need some input here. I went to visit Katrina at Serina's this evening and, when I got there, she was "busy" and not available. I sat for a few moments and attempted to talk with two other gals. One whose name is Othalese - or some reasonable facsimile thereof - struck my curosity. So off we went.

She was nice enough and by golly she loved to kiss. I'm usually very cautious about who I kiss, but sonofagun, I was ready and we kissed for a long while. After the kissing and the usual other entertainment, I took a shower. I then returned to my room, got dressed and Othalese led me down the hall. And guess who was standing at the end of the hall, primping her hair in the mirror? Yes, it was Katrina.

As I approached, she turned with her hands firmly planted on her hips. Then she glared at me and sharply jerked her head away. I shrugged my shoulders as I passed with a look on my face like, "what was I supposed to do?"

I don't think she did this in total anger. I believe she was trying to make a point in mock anger. But I thought these gals were supposed to be cool and not possess some of the "territorial" habits that you find on the "outside". After all, I did not make a big deal when SHE was busy with someone else.

It looks like she'll get some chocolates and maybe a rose on my next visit. So any comments or feedback? I'm relatively new to this here in the southwest, so what's going on?

[BorderJumper]

Crespo....e-mail me you get time at this address. bprderjumper@**********.com....Thx. And for you too Dreamingeagle. Glad to see you are back in your usual fine form. I appreciate the kind words further on down the page. You know guys, these border towns are what you make of them and with the influx of people from the interior into Juarez looking for jobs that aren't there, you are going to have these problems. True, as Dreamingeagle states that the whole town is not bad as I have never disputed. I knew doctors and lawyers in Juarez when I lived there that were fantastic people. Unfortunately, the element of people most of us experience when we go trashing around the zona or the MP's is exactly what gives the Juarez that most gringos see a bad flavor. ELPASOGENTLEMAN...Hope you took precautions at CLub Laura's...Most of those women in there are hard core druggies thanks to Chito, the owner. He gets em hooked and then uses them to the point they are worthless. Many of the $10 crack *****s you see on the side streets on the alley by the Cave started at Club Laura. Chito's a nice enough guy but still an asshole in the way he treats his ladies. And yeah, the rooms are the pits! Hasta luego....Gotta take the ninos for pizza!

[ElPasoGentleman]

And I thought I was the only walker. After reading the posts and the excellent directions, I parked my car several months ago in El Paso near the Sante Fe bridge and walked over the bridge, through el centro, down to Ave. 16 Sept., and on down to Felina's. Just a couple of miles, I suppose. I would not have ventured as I did had it not been for the great info I've received from everyone, especially DreamingEagle. So gracias!! Muchas gracias! When I lived in Chicago, I lived and worked right downtown or just a little to the north (Gold Coast). I would walk for hours at times in many different neighborhoods instead of taking the bus or subway. However, I did NOT have access to many MP's for lack of info and for lack of $$$. I was making decent money, but it's very expensive living there. I mean, when you pay $30,000 for a parking space in a high rise condo, you sometimes don't have a generous overflow of cash left over for the MP's. But I would not have traded that life there for anything. It's a long story on how I got down here to EP.

I enjoyed your nice long post, DreamingEagle. I'll re read it again and reply with some comments. I believe several of us are talking about the same gal at Serina's. I thought it was Katrina, some say Corina, some say something else. But she's a cutie and very pleasant to be with. Sometimes she has brown eyes, sometimes they are blue. Either way, she's a cutie.

More later ....

[DreamingEagle]

You remind me of me. If you made all of those places on foot you must love to walk. Funny thing about walking to them all. If you decide to rent a car next time, you are never going to be lost. After walking for a whole year with a little help from the autobuses I could get turned around and see a little or store or something and get my bearings again. That whole area east of downtown is easy to figure out, really. Hats off to you. Not many gringos have the huevos to take to the streets this way...