Ciudad Juarez - 2002 Reports

[Crespo]

Correction to previous post: that was nine MP's (on foot). El Encanto was listed twice by accident. I actually did visit it twice, but the second time there was just a single girl there who was overweight. This made me feel guilty turning her down ("Lo siento." "Porque?" "Lo siento."). Naturally, I wouldn't recommend such a trek through Juarez, unless your a fitness nut.

Also, as an aside, the first time I went to Sirena's, I noticed a sign in a laundromat just down the road (near Venezuela & Escobar). It read something like "servicio completo en una hora". This seems like a good slogan for the MP's.

[Crespo]

First off, I would like to thank borderjumper for the pointer to the Cave. For those with maps, I believe it is at the intersection of Mariscal and Samaniego. There is a blue neon sign with "CAVE" above the door, but I didn't notice the sign until crossing the street and turning around. Also, it is a block down from Club Laura, which has a more prominent neon sign with "Club L" (near Victoria & Samaniego I believe). Note that being close to the gymnasium (Mariscal & Martinez), it seems to be in a safer area than the Pink Lady (Ugarte & Altamirano).

Anyway, I went to the Cave this evening (Sunday) and it worked out well. The atmosphere in the bar could have been better for hanging out (a bit rundown & more like a large recreational room in someone's home). However, the girl I ended up with (Maria) was sure sweet: about 20 or so, quite friendly although not talkative, a few extra pounds but not chubby, and certainly well-endowed which more than compensated. All in all, it was not bad for just $40 (w/o haggling) plus the usual fees ($5 negotiation tip & $2 for condom and toilet paper). The room was small, but at least it was cleaner than at the Pink Lady. I had tried that earlier in the evening but the selection was not good, with mostly chubby girls. At the Cave, the girls seemed trimmer, but I'm not sure all of them were working rather than hanging around outside since they were not dressed up. But then again, the one i was with was just dressed in jeans and a tight top (no second guessing her endowment, which can be a problem with some of the more typical attire).

Also, I would like to give support to borderjumper's preference for Laredo over Juarez, at least with respect to the clubs. There you were almost guaranteed to find a couple of hot babes to make your mouth water. True it costs more, especially with the cab fair added on, but it made for more excitement. Here, it seems you have to settle at times. Although the MP's here are an alternative, there is the inconvenience factor (when not driving) and most of the girls there seem like the girl next door type (nice but not knocking your socks off).

Two Saturday's ago, I actually went to ten MP's trying to find a babe and didn't find one that seemed right, which basically would be pretty, trim and buxom. I went to the following places (believe it or not on foot): Felina's, Corpus, El Encanto, Sirena's, LePetit, Roma, Marilyn, El Encanto, Venus, and Michele's. However, I was being very picky, because I had started a session with a pretty but large-hipped girl at Felina's (at Peru & Borunda), which didn't work out due to a decline in interest so to speak (aggressive tip hustling, rickety massage table & hygiene issues).

I did have a great experience previously at Sirena's (at Panama & Escobar) with a most playful Carlina (?), who is cute and petite, but this time I was hoping for someone more voluptuous. My other MP experience was at Michele's (near Americas & Marti) with a friendly but overweight girl (buxom but not compensatingly so). One nice touch was that she took a shower with me afterwards. By the way, although Michele's isn't as nice inside as some of the other discount MP's ($35 range), it seems somewhat convenient, being close to the Cordova bridge (the "free bridge").

[DreamingEagle]

If the girl you are talking about at Serina's is a very tiny girl with a pretty face, her name is Corina. If it is her, and you like her, I can tell you that she loves chocolates. Bring her a little box of Millionaires and she will be very happy you were thoughtful enough to do so. Perhaps it is a different girl.

Hearing the very name Serina's brings back a lot of good memories. When I first started going to Juarez two years ago I was fond of staying at the Hotel VM across the street and alternating between relaxing in on their nice air conditioned rooms and then going back to Serina's. Corina and Tanya were my favorites, although I sampled the entire collection at one time or another provided they were not fat. Back then money was no consideration, however, and paying $45 with a $5 tip was no big deal at all. I could always aford to do it more times than I wanted pussy. Being 50 years old is not all bad. When you fuck it's just the same as when you were young, but I, at least, just don't need sex more than 3-4 times a weekend. All this pleasure followed up by a steak dinner at the restaurant next door to Papaguyo's Bar, followed by a long night in the bar talking to Elva the bartender and getting to meet her friends and practice my Spanish.

When that routine got boring one could hop on the Circunvalacion autobus to el centro to check out the ***** bars. Had three favoritas down there, too. It was pussy heaven, but at the time I wanted love.

Be careful what you ask for. Finally a girl working at Felina's gave me the address to her apartments and said there was a vacancy. I've been in that apartment building almost a year now and found love with the girl who had given me the directions, who turned out to live next door. But I did not want to raise a family or re-marry. She finally married another American, and, to this day, although we no longer are lovers, the situation tears us both apart. She will always be my personal Road Not Taken, and I suspect we will be in touch for many years to come.

(As a side note, my advice to anyone who wants to actually live among the Mexicans in a safe family neighborhood is that you had better be clean, friendly, and a good neighbor, or they will not hesitate to run your ass off. There are no cholos in our building; no one is allowed to play loud music; and any sign of drugs is the kiss-of-death. I found my neighbors to be fine people, which is one reason I tend to go off on anyone who paints Juarez as simply a heaven for drug dealers, TVs, and thieves. I defend the average guy on the street on Juarez because I know he is probably not a thief or violent person. I know because I have risked my own personal safety walking the streets of Juarez and never had an incident. Other Americans come to the city and have trouble with the locals instantly. I have no idea why my experience has been so charmed, but I suspect a little sincere respect for the locals is the key.)

My point to all of this is that you can find whatever you want in Juarez with a little patience. If I have $10 for pussy, I know where I can find a little sweetie around the Municipal Gym in the zona who will come to my house and give me a good time. Trouble is she will be a very troubled spirit with tons of problems and will leach if given the chance. Or I can pay $30 for a nice hour in the MP with no complications. Or, since I don't look my age, I can still "date" a nice girl who works in a restaurant or one you see doing a promotion in the big supermarkets. These girls are like models, but you are going to get sucked into a relationship so fast you might as well be something in the toilet spinning 'round and 'round faster and faster. Nice Mexican girls are looking for serious love interests and not remotely interested unless you are looking for the same, and their families will check you out, also.

Too complicated, but sometimes I do think about that Road Not Taken sometimes, meaning marriage.

I think that's great you make up your own mind about things, because it's too easy to cop the standard "all of these people are out to fuck me" attitude. Tons of them are. I'm not a dumb guy. But to assume they are all out to fuck you is to miss out on some really good cross-cultural experiences and the opportunity to see Mexico for what it really is---millions of really poor people doing the best they can to survive and retain a sense of humor and little humanity in the process. That 2% that will slit you from your ribs to your privates for $1 is no joke either. It's definitely a place where there can be eyes behind the mirrors and people watching your routines and patterns in order to strike. A Pollyanna attitude will get you killed in Juarez. If you live there you had best have neighbors and friends who trust and respect you, or you'll get fucked every time.

If you want more specific directions to the more inexpensive MPs which also have lovely girls sometime, just let me know.

[ElPasoGentleman]

Thanks for the comments DreamingEagle and Beetlejuice. I appreciate it. I get on this board sporatically. After having perused the old board for the past several months, however, I did not pick up on the bad vibes that were coming out against Juarez.

But I listen and read everything. Then I explore and make my own opinions and judgements. I have my own likes and dislikes but really appreciate any and all comments about the experiences of others.

I just love these Juarez gals, however. I'm picky and there's only one, perhaps, at each place that appeals to me. If I'm "ready" I'll settle for a little less. But I usually goof off for a half hour or so and then patronize another place in hopes of really clicking.

Has anyone had a nice time with Gladys at the Pink Lady? I passed her up for a little pistol but afterward wished I had stayed with Gladys. But I'm pretty much sold on the MP's around town, however - thanks to the great directions and posts here on this board.

The gal at Serina's is named Katrina. She's so sweet. Likes to be playful too. I speak very, very little Spanish, but we "communicate" very well despite the drawback. I mean, when a gal has got her hand around my you-know-what, I'm not going to go outside and ask, "Gee, what does she want? I don't speak Spanish at all".

More later ......

[DreamingEagle]

Regarding the lack of cleanliness downtown: it's definitely a turn off. When the girl straddles a sink afterwards to wash her pussy that tells you there is a lack of concern for hygeine. I just don't up there anymore in favor of the MPs.

Regarding Felina's: You might give it another chance and pick Tamara this time. She is about 26, slender, pretty face, warm smile, will not rush you.

Regarding Serina's: Don't know the girl you picked. Sounds like Denise. But there are some sweeties there now and then.

Both of these places, however, are $45 MPs, and you can find identical quality (with a little patience) in the $35 MPs. So I never go to Serina's, Felina's, Venus ($50 now - they are *really* proud of their pussy), or Roma any longer. There is just no sense in it.

About your car: you cannot do the MPs without one. The trouble with the MPs is selection. Everyone I know only has 1 or 2 girls I like. Some days they are not working. Sometimes I have to hit 2 or 3 places before I find one I like. On the bus, making the rounds would be impossibly interminable timewise, and impossible to make the rounds in a taxi costwise. Besides, you will enjoy every aspect of being in Juarez more with a car.

The fact that a BMW says "money" to a lot of Mexicans is just that, a fact. But as long as you are moving around and not stationary too long, I do not think you will have a problem. I personally had a lot of new problems when I started driving my '98 Firebird to my apartment. It's in mint condition with an illusion blue/green paint job, power everything, and has T-tops. Just the kind of muscle car every drug-dealing cholo in Juarez would love to be driving.

Suddenly, my neighbors were asking me for $2 for some beer. Did I want to buy a used VCR for $40? Could I spare a dollar for some tacos? People began to even knock on the door uninvited. These are not really bad people. It's just Mexico, and since I know them it was not even intimidating. I believe I have *finally* convinced them I DO NOT have a lot of money. The answer now is NO to each and every request, and no one who knocks on the door is allowed in the house. NEVER let anyone except your closest friends into your house or hotel room in Mexico, never. It's rule #1 with any Mexican to never let strangers or mere acquaintences into the casa. But it's no coincidence these problems arose after the arrival of the shiny late model car.

Regarding the bad reputation Juarez has on this board, if you will look back it all arises from one single individual who began running the place down because of a bad experience he had with his wife here. These posts magnify the negatives by a factor 1,000 and have contained a number of outright prevarications which I would glad to point out if forced to but would rather not. These posts may be disregarded in their entirety by anyone who wants to know what things are really like here. To complicate matters further, this individual is really a very thoughtful person and doesn't deserve to be flamed. He really got hosed by this girl and deserves to vent a bit.

I'm sure not sorry I moved here. With a little patience you can accumulate a few favoritas which are top notch without spending much money at all. It just takes time and patience.

[ElPasoGentleman]

This board is so cool! I would be uacwoap (up a creek without a paddle) if it weren't for this board and all the great posts. I've been exploring Juarez for about 3 months - several times per month. At first, I did the walk accross the Santa Fe Bridge and visit the bars routine. I wasn't real impressed with the Pink Lady nor the Panama Club. Don't take this as gospel, however, because I was there on Sat. or Sun. afternoons. Perhaps, the scene changes for the better during the weekend evenings. But I don't like to do a late night visit in el centro.

Several comments on el centro. The one gal at "Laura's Place" or something like that was thin, sort of tall but had the prettiest smile you could imagine. I negotiated $30 with her male partner and I must say that this gal, Blanca, I believe, was the best f**k I've ever had. She knew how to move. Unforturnately I had just come from the Pink Lady about 45 minutes prior to this and so I did not even get the biggest bang possible. But I caressed her face and looked deep into her eyes. She lit up with a killer smile and she was a natural. Not Hollywood stuff. Just a sweet gal with a killer smile. The other gal out of "Laura's" several weeks later was about 17 years old. Very pretty. I felt badly after leaving her because I was a little more demanding than what I like to be. She went along with it nicely and I guess my disgust with myself was somewhat alieviated when I handed her a $20 tip afterward. She rolled her eyes in pure joy and did the sign of the cross (I"m not Catholic-don't know what it's called) - but she seemed very pleased.

But here's the kicker. I've not heard any comments in regard to this problem that bothers me. It's this - I have not felt comfortable in "Laura's" rooms or even at the Panama Club for lack of cleanliness. The bed sheets are used over and over it seems. Doesn't this bother anyone else???

So more recently I've been driving over Cordova Bridge and visiting the MP's. I went to Felina's and did not care for the service there. She rushed me. I don't make a big deal out of it except to point to my watch. So I will never return to her again. Can't remember her name and don't care to know it. But I visited Salina's (?) across from Villa Manport Hotel. There I"ve found a wonderful gal and very clean facilities. I don't get rushed. I get treated like a King. Several of the other gals manage to pinch me in the butt as I am walking back to the room. I really enjoy it there.

I've been driving a 1979 BMW which may seem foolish. I don't know. But I will probably continue unless I find a good reason not to drive my own vehicle. It looks expensive but the car is not really worth that much. But then, someone may decide that I'M worth a lot of money. Anyway, I don't have any other vehicle.

Didn't mean to ramble on here but I hope somehow some of this becomes useful info for someone. I've thoroughly enjoyed this web site and the postings. More later .....

[DreamingEagle]

perhaps i can comment on both beetle's post about pricing and another one about how cj compares to tj.

the mps i know charge this way: felina's, $45; sirena's, $45; venus, $50; genesis, $30; corpus, $30; el encanto, $30 (possibly $35 - don't go there much); roma, $45; marilyn's, $35; lepetit $35; and loyred, $35. sometimes the girl will ask for a tip at the end of a session, but i have never been bargained with in the room for service. it's a masage, if you want one, a little oral, and sex. i have heard these reports of guys saying they were upsold in the room, but in two years it's never happened to me. well, one girl at roma didn't want to take her clothes off and wanted to finish me by hand, but i complained to the manager and got me another girl for no extra charge. the girls i see now are the ones i see all the time. they never pressure me for anything, so i feel very good about giving them a $5 tip. some days, i don't have the $5, and that's no problem with them either.

i don't visit the $45 mps anymore, although felina's is one block from my house. one caught me in the little store across the street not too long ago and asked me why i had not been back, and i just told her the truth, that i had found girls i liked a lot in places that only charge $30-$35. "well, you have a lot of time here now," she replied. "buena suerte."

my american neighbor george cruises the street girls on weekends and never pays more than $10. he just keeps telling them the other girls do it for $10. nor will he go to the cheap hotels these girls use. they have to come to the apartment and agree to take a shower. nor will he give them the money before they get to the house, or they will hop out at a red light and hop on the bus back downtown. if they say no to all these conditions he cruises on. he brings home some sweet looking girls, but there are a lot of problems with the street girls. lots of them are drug addicts, and now someone you can't possibly trust 100% knows where you live---a bad, bad mistake in mexico, i have learned. unless you have an extraordinary 6th sense from spotting tvs (sometimes easy, sometimes not) you also have to ask them to show you the pussy when they get in the car. the two times i've done this i really had to ask myself what the fuck i was doing in a place where you had to make the girl prove she had pussy... personally, i'll stick with the mps. also, you have to drive them back downtown in heavy traffic. it can take an hour to go the 5 miles there from my apartment and back again.

the girls in the ***** bars will go for as little as $30 on a slow afternoon but not when the bar is full of papa smurf's truckers, who can be counted on paying a minimum of $50. there is always a negotiator to tip and condom lady to tip as well. i just don't go down there anymore although i have fond memories of three girls i would love to see again.

from what i can tell from extensive reading of the tj posts on hombre, tj must have at least 100 times as many girls to choose from, and they seem to have more leeway to negotiate the pricing than the bar girls do here---at least in the three main ***** bars here, casa colorado (a/k/a sans suici, which is the what the sign on the building says), panama, and pink lady. on a busy night, they are going to ask for $50-60 and stand pat for it.

so guys who just pop into juárez one weekend always post mixed results. some have a great time, and others get lost down in the hustle atmosphere of el centro, don't find what they want, and come home disappointed. it happened to me a couple of times when i first got here.

given a choice, i would not pick cj as a weekend sex fantasy destination. it's definitely a place you have to know well. for one thing, the mps that get posted here are rep001tered about the area east of downtown. getting there in buses is possible but not at first. paying the taxis will eat you alive. worse, every one of these mps has only 1 or maybe 2 girls which come to my standards, anyway. the rest of them are invariably way too large for me.

so if i did not have a car and could not make the rounds of every place mentioned above in about 1.5 hours i would be quite frustrated. as it is, i find what i want in the 1st or 2nd place because i know the routine. i will certainly defend juárez as a good place to explore if you have time, because if you have time on your hands what you come up with is as good as even san jose, costa rica. but, my god, it's like panning the river for gold at first. you sift a lot of dirt before you look down and see a gold nugget. then it's mismo, but i know you guys don't have that kind of time on your hands. just being honest.

[Beetlejuice]

Finally a bit of action in the Juarez section. Thought you all had turned in to monks or something.
Been a while since my last trip down that was but hoping for next weekend. Any new info on the Masaje action. Read about a couple new places. Prices seem to be fluctuating & chicas expecting propina. What's up with that? Maybe they've become more popular than the Ho bars because of boards like this. Come on guys, FS massage is 35 - 45 USD.. Tip if it's great but be reasonable. If we keep this up, the Mexican guys that patronize these place will find a way to make them off limits to Americans just to keep the prices down to what they can afford.

[DreamingEagle]

I took the computer to Mexico a month ago to break the internet habit but had to bring it back for work reasons. Now I spend too much time posting on monger forums, as I did before...

I still feel Juarez is at least 100 times better than you make it sound in yours posts, but I am glad you are happy in NL.

[BorderJumper]

Damn, wondered what had happened to you DE. Had seen any posts for awhile. It wasn't just a woman my friend but the attitude of the city in general. The lack of intellect amongst the populace. Having made the comparison between where I am now and Juarez, NL wins hands down and as I was once told my a friend, most Mexicans in other parts of the country look towards Juarez and the state of Chihuahua in general as the"niggertown" of Mexico. and as I travel more of this beautiful country and meet more of the wonderful citizens of Mexico, I'm inclined to agree with that observation. And, my friend, I might point out, we've both lived in Juarez for an equal amount of time, but in my case, I've been coming down there since the early eighties. I believe I am as qualified as you or Dougie to offer opinions on the subject. No two people look at the same subject the same way. By your own admission, you no longer patronize the bars in the zona. I do, to a point. I have also made the rounds of some of the MP's that you are hot on and quite frankly, wasn't impressed. So, to each his own. Take care.

[DreamingEagle]

There are 18 different ways to beat the cab drivers, and, number one, Dougie is quite right about hiring a cabbie further down Avenida Juarez. Just tell him the address or intersection, pay him, and get out. He will not follow you into the MP.

And Juarez is not a cesspool.

BorderJumper had a bad experience here with a woman, and now he runs down every single thing about Juarez. I watched all of this happen first hand. Read the history of his posts if you do not believe me.

Well, that's his business...I have lived in the city for two solid years and can tell you most of the bad things that happen to people here are due to their own attitudes.

Sorry, Border Jumper, but it seems that you have made it your mission in life to run down Juarez on every single Internet forum in existence.

A little balance is in order here...

Please don't take this as flaming, but when someone consistently maginifies the negatives about a place 1000 fold and pretends there are no positives it seems someone should point this fact out in a non-confrontational kind of way.

If you want good information about Juarez, listen to me and Dougie and a few other experienced hands instead.

[BorderJumper]

Dougie. Doesn't matter if you walk to the other side of town or what. If you take a cab to any joint serving sex, the cabbie will follow you in to get his cut. End of story. It's a no brainer. Grocery stores, no. Sex industry, YES....Such is the cesspool of Juarez. God I love NL!

[Dougie]

Buenos dias, amigos. What do you know, first to post on the "new" forum. Too bad I don't have anything to say.

Well, maybe one thing to say. I was unaware that the cabbies were getting a cut from the MP's like they do from the clubs in the zona. I thought when you hired a cabbie to take you anywhere outside the zona you paid (or in Anonymous' case overpaid) the cabbie to take you where you were going and that was that. Do these parasites follow gringos into the grocery store and demand a piece of the action??

Guys, do yourself a favor and walk right past these leeches when you cross the bridge and at least take a nice stroll down to the Cathedral and hop a cab from there. Or better yet, learn to use the bus system. They will take you anywhere in town for $4 pesos and it is an interesting cultural experience to boot. If you are really adventurous, and have the legs for it, ride a bicycle. Just stay off Lopez Mateos, it is a real killer.

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