Abu Dhabi

[Nickc]

I ventured out in Abu Dhabi on Friday night on an exploratory trip.

1st Stop-Rock Bottom Club at Al Diar Capital Hotel-Reached 10.30 pm....

Hey thanks for excellent informative post of AB clubs with EE's and Stan's available. (Even if not to good on your night)).

I visiting AB for 3 days. Read the forum 30 pages) Noted the below. Excuse any mistakes. Some posts I read contradicted each other)) So please correct as required.

My only 2 questions are. "Which hotel should I stay" ? And "which club would I find good Russian, EE, Stans at" ? I guess in the heat of July it may help to have the club in the same hotel one is staying.

- 'Khoroso' at Dana Hotel top floor. Was 49 ers that moved elsewhere? Some Russian.

- '49 ers' at LE Meridian. Moved here recently. Not to many posts on quality of girls.

- 'Captains Arms' at LE Meridian. Is this now 49 ers?

- 'Rockbottom Cafe' / club, at Al Dair Capitol Hotel. Sometimes good quality.

- 'Uzbek bar' at Howard Johnson Hotel top floor. Also has ground floor bar but little information on that.

- 'Cyclone' at Novel Hotel. Was Mecure Hotel. Blitz was here? Mostly Asian? Not many EE.

- 'Goodfellas' bar at Sheraton. Some girls outside to).

- 'Illusions' at LE Royal Meridian appears good quality but little information. Also has O'Reilly's Irish Pub, and rooftop lounge Stratos. Are they worth a look to?

- Southern Sun hotel is central super green. Maybe worth staying there.

Again excuse and correct any errors).

AB appears proper priced compared to what we pay over in Dubai. I'll be sure not to overpay).

Ta Nickc.

[Xvoice]

Seriously? You find good Arabic girl for 2 hours for 500 from an agent??

Agents usually ask for +500 for one hour and send fake photos. This was my experience!

My post got truncated. Reposting.

I wanted to write a report on what I thought about Outcalls.

I know a lot of us hate that since it is cumbersome.

Gents it is more VFM than an FS at a spa. Let me break it down.

MP:

Reception: 150 to 200 for 90 min.

Extras: 300 to 500 B2B / FS for 1 round, Quick and will last for max 30 minutes, maybe good maybe bad.

Total 450 to 700..

[Romain0775]

Thank you guys for your reactions to my FR and your kind support.

I promise next time, I'll do my best to follow your advice, even if it's not my first quality.

Next week I'm Bach to AD, I see if a good padawan of MK & PT in andégociating.

[Joe Karnavic]

Could you guys please help me out in finding a good AMP? I have been searching for over a week and unable to find anything substantial and have absolutely no idea how to find places. I have scoured this site, insta and other places but unable to find a place in AUH. I am staying near Electra street so something around that area would be helpful. Would be really thankful if someone DM'ed me the details.

I think you have tried to google AMP to find them. You will find nothing there. I guess you have not understood the term AMP which means Asian Massage Place. Hence every massage place you will see on streets of Abudhabi is an AMP because they have mostly Thais, Chinese, Philipino girls. Read last 10 pages of Abudhabi thread and you will find your AMP. Once you visit the place write a post about your experience. Your post one is a question, hopefully post two will be about sharing your experience.

[Plush Tiger]

Could you guys please help me out in finding a good AMP? I have been searching for over a week and unable to find anything substantial and have absolutely no idea how to find places. I have scoured this site, insta and other places but unable to find a place in AUH. I am staying near Electra street so something around that area would be helpful. Would be really thankful if someone DM'ed me the details.

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Start by RTFF, go back 10 maybe 20 pages and you'll find some hints on SPAs in Dubai. You might read as well the Dubai Forum thread on AMPS you'll surely find methods commonly used by punter to explore the scene. Then post one or deux FR on your experience and then once you've proved to the other members that you can contribute and are not just a free riders, you'll get plenty of help.

Stay safe.

[MrKrisps]

My post got truncated. Reposting.

I know I haven't been FR'ing as EVERYONE here will agree that happens when you got into a good source and too busy punting.

Been just participating in PM's for sometime.
I am trying to make up.
Pending posts:
Negotiating tips DONE
Outcalls DONE
Incalls.

I wanted to write a report on what I thought about Outcalls.

I know a lot of us hate that since it is cumbersome.

Gents it is more VFM than an FS at a spa. Let me break it down.

MP:

Reception: 150 to 200 for 90 min.

Extras: 300 to 500 B2B / FS for 1 round, Quick and will last for max 30 minutes, maybe good maybe bad.

Total 450 to 700.

Outcall:

Hotel room: 180 - 230 for 24 hours.

Girl: 500 to 600 2 hours 2 rounds with a Good Quality Arab girl horny as hell. FK, BBBJ the works.

Total: 680 to 830.

The actual rate for me on average now.

MP: 350.

Outcall 550.

Total time taken: Check in at 3 pm. Girl comes at 4 and leaves at 6:30.

So don't give me the argument of it being faster.

The Outcall is completely the better experience.

The girl is good and friendly, have a number of choices, straight from an agent. Whom you can just message or ring up if not up to mark.

Guaranteed two rounds in the way you like. GFE.

If you are going to a spa: don't take the FS. Spend 200 max on extras get a good massage & BJ and then save the 100 add it up to a good outcall.

But YMMV.

I don't frequent clubs a lot anymore and only doing direct P4P incalls and outcalls.

I guess this post will rock the boat a little.

My next one will about the incalls.

I know I haven't been FR'ing a lot. As everyone here will agree that is when you got a good source and too busy punting.

I am trying to make up.

What do you guys think is my Math wrong?

[TheBigBangBoo]

Could you guys please help me out in finding a good AMP? I have been searching for over a week and unable to find anything substantial and have absolutely no idea how to find places. I have scoured this site, insta and other places but unable to find a place in AUH. I am staying near Electra street so something around that area would be helpful. Would be really thankful if someone DM'ed me the details.

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[Plush Tiger]

Modified and Edited POST FROM PLUSHTIGER.
Good post PT. I hope you don't mind me editing the same.

As Newton puts it, if I have been able to monger so successfully it's because I have followed the path of giants LOL. Happy to add to the collective wisdom and share a few tips for others to enjoy.

On a more substantive level, ID' also add that there's always some room for negotiations for the counter fee.

1- Ask the fees over WhatsApp, they are more likely to give in knowing that you can just "swipe them left" and start chatting with an other AMP.

2- If they quote anything above 100 say that normal price is 100 and ask for discount.

3- If you're already in the spa, don't pay attention to their price list, it's for tourists.

4- There are about 4 tiers of prices for Thai / Chinese / Vietnamese / Indian massage: below 100 available in some neighborhoods; 100 the most common, 130-160 in some successful spas, 200-250 in some hotels, 3 reds quite rare but happens, avoid it if possible.

Add 1, 2 or 3 reds for Arabic or European staff. Packages with Hammam plus shave.

5- Haamam combos are in general 2 t o3 reds.

[Kokome]

i don't know how my post was truncated.

I have typed it all out again:

Negotiating tips:

Number 1. : (i already mentioned this one earlier). Max 300 (HJ / B2B / FS) (100/200/300).

1. Decide what you want to take: B2B, BBBJ, just a massage.

2. Understand the reception charges.

3. Excluding the reception charges. Take only 300 with you.

4. It should always be in following denominations: 100+100+50+50.

4. Keep 100+100 in the wallet, 50+50 in the pocket of your trousers.

4. Before the girls comes into the room: Leave the 100+100 from the wallet on the table beside the oils.

5. She will see it and understand extras are expected.

6. This leads to: A much better massage and experience, maybe even my favorite teasing and edging without asking.

7. Keep complimenting on the massage; moan.

After the flip.

Her: "what would you like.

You: Directly say: "i already left your tip on the table".

master as always.

[Joe Karnavic]

I know I haven't been FR'ing as EVERYONE here will agree that happens when you got into a good source and too busy punting.

(How do I stop this line break in my posts!)

Once you finish the post use 'backspace' key to bring lines closer. It is issue with ISG format. Sometimes the Enter key shows double space when you actually see post. You can edit it after posting. The edit option remains for few hours.

[MrKrisps]

I know I haven't been FR'ing as EVERYONE here will agree that happens when you got into a good source and too busy punting.

Been just participating in PM's for sometime.

I am trying to make up.

Pending posts:

Negotiating tips
Outcalls

Incalls.

AUH MR Thread.

Monthly Budget.

Favored Nationalities.

Memorable Experiences.

Forgettable visits.

Scams.

Assists I would appreciate.

Sugar Life.

This post will rock the boat a little.

I wanted to write a report on what I thought about Outcalls.

A lot in PM's have told me they don't do outcalls because it is cumbersome.

(How do I stop this line break in my posts!)

[MrKrisps]

Credits to post: PlushTiger

Modified and Edited POST FROM PLUSHTIGER.

You hit the steps I put in just points: 1. 2. 3.

Good post PT. I hope you don't mind me editing the same.

1. pretend that your primary goal is to get a proper massage. Let her think extras are just an option for you.

2. Don't let them rush too quickly to the flip.

3. if you leave the extras question to the last 15 minutes she will have "worked" for quite a while and therefore you would have the upper hand.

4. Strategic small talk:

"is it your first time in the SPA" say no, so that it appears you are not a noob.

"Who did you take" One girl but I forgot her name as I didn't like the massage and service.

"nationality" change to a place nearby that is not first world if possible.

"job" at a company nearby.

5. Don't be a Dick: Remember most of this girls have a harder life than you so tip them even if you don't take extras.

6. Respect them. It can go a long way.

7. When visiting the same spa for a second time. Pick another girl: It will keep the first one on her toes and you can complain to the first one for better service.

6. Same girl multiple time: Tight rope walk. Can either go: As less dedication in massage or she may open up more. The latter will happen if you are engaging her else it will always be former.

[RakeskK]

I don't know how my post was truncated.

I have typed it all out again:

Negotiating Tips:

Number 1. : (I already mentioned this one earlier). MAX 300 (HJ / B2 B / FS) (100/200/300)..

Really excellent tip for newbies and possibly experienced guys. I have been following most of the tips. There are times when little Johnny takes over. LOL.

[Plush Tiger]

I don't know how my post was truncated.
I have typed it all out again:
Negotiating Tips:
Number 1. : (I already mentioned this one earlier). MAX 300 (HJ / B2 B / FS) (100/200/300).
1. Decide what you want to take: B2 B, BBBJ, just a massage.
I am sure others have other approaches and ideas. Do share..

Excellent and comprehensive post on negotiations with plenty of behavioral science tips (commitment, anchoring, take it or leave it etc). The first thing most negotiation books emphasize on is to come prepared (aka RTFF). With posts like this you are sure that you will make most of your money 90% of the time. I would also emphasize that the right approach is to pretend that your primary goal is to get a proper massage and have her "invest" in the relationship part by performing some work. Don't let them rush too quickly to the flip. Let her think that the you your chief reason for visiting the spa is the massage and that the extras are just an option for you. When I started in the trade many years ago, I would respond to their flirting attempts too quickly, and I had an instance when when 5 minutes of fake massage we entered the negotiation stage and as we could not agree on a price (we both played hard ball) she gave me 10 more minutes of small touches before leaving. I had stayed about 20 minutes in the spa and paid one red. I was glad though I did not throw good money after bad money. On the other hand, if you leave the 3 red question to the last 15 minutes she will have "worked" for quite a while and in case if she bargains two hard she is at risk of earning very little and therefore you would have the upper hand. After if you repeat, you'll be able to transition to the deed earlier and earlier. I reached the point with some regulars where I would start with FS, have the back rub after and end-up with another FS or HJ session in the purest Double Shooter's style LOL. You also have to be strategic during the small talk that usually happens. They will probe you with questions such as if it is it your first time in the SPA. If you say no, she would assume that you are a noob without knowledge of the market and will try to rake up her prices. Same for your nationality: if you come form a rich country they will ask for more so you'd want to tell them you're coming from a less affluent one than yours if you come form a developed country. Same goes for your job for obvious reasons. Another piece of advice is to be ready to walk away; there are thousands of SPAs and masseuse out there so don't feel forced to close. A successful negotiation means getting what you want at a reasonable price, not necessarily reaching an agreement. Also, price is not everything and it is ok to pay a little bit more if you know (though this forum for instance) that the experience is good. Remember most of this girls have a harder life than you and at any point in time I am happy to be on my side of the deal. Anyhow, like in any other normal negotiations exercise, it helps to invest a bit in the relationship once it is established (a small gift on her birthday, a small pastry here and there etc.) can go a long way. Respect them and if things turn bad, just move on and keep your energy for something else. Last, and this is not purely a negotiation tip: when visiting the same spa for a second time, try to pick another girl. The first reason is that there's no pussy like new pussy. Secondly, it will keep the first one on her toes and avoid you drama in the future. Otherwise, you are going to be tagged as her customer and at times other girls won't be willing to go with you. It's a tight rope walk but that's human nature, once she thinks that you're captive audience, in most cases she will ease a bit and show less dedication. It can result in unpleasant outcome (to a certain limit though). Doing so I got a "ban" from a dozen Thai girls from the Red Spider spa (at the time when it was next to the Karama post), as they saw me switching to another girl on the next visit. We had some good laughs with the receptionist trying to figure out which girl I could take. On the other hand at Sandy Shoes that allowed me to set the conditions for a few memorable threesome sessions with two of the best performers there (N and V).

Stay safe, have fun and enjoy life.

[Blood Red]

Negotiating Tips:
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Legend, thank you for that! My preference at MP's is only Arabs. They are very hard to get below 600 and can get for 500 but not easy, and I am referring to FS of course. I will try some of these tips. I reckon Dubai scene is a bit more pricey compared to AUH? Correct me if I'm wrong here.