Child Prostitution

[Skinless]

I posted the piece about young male boys some time ago but I subsequently removed it. It was not Pattaya but somewhere else in Thailand. The kids were on glue and living rough. In one sense a question of supply and demand but in another not. A wealthy Dutch guy was preying on them and the cops took his details but he bs his way out. I later saw him in Pattaya, after the gay guys. There are lots of apples to pluck but there must be limits.

[Tube Steak]

On NPR last night " Fresh Air" did a piece on the sex slave trade. It was pretty tough stuff, describing kidnappings, luring of young Russian girls, and stealing children. Now, I've been a monger for probably 25 years and I like to believe that all the providers were independents, there of their own free will, but we all know that is not the reality.This article really put things in a different perspective. The NY times writer being interviewed spoke strictly of girls (and boys) forced into the biz. Not ,as many of the providers we know, there to support a drug habit . The most likely victims were either Mex or Russ girls. I habituate the Northwest and I don't believe it is big business here, but I don't particularly want to contribute to that ugly side of the biz.

I'm just throwing this out there, wondering if anyone else heard it and wants to comment. I'm not going to stop mongering but I don't wish to support slavery.

S.

[MeatMan]

Good post Skinless,I would hope all the pediophiles of the world meet there dying doom one day.Most of you as well as myself have children so,you know where I'm coming from.Let the children be just that......Children.

God bless em!

Take care

MeatMan

[Sainter]

Amen to that Skinless. Btw when did you post that report on dirty old men with little boys in Pattaya. I've searched your old posts, some hundreds of them to find it. Would be curious to read about your experience.

To all the child mongers here(and I'm sure there's probably a few lurking), may the law catch up with you and may you find a big bubba as a cellmate.

[Skinless]

I am glad this section has started and I hope it stays within Jackson's guidelines. We do not want it to be a NAMBLA bulletin board. There is something pretty sick about anyone preaching morality but there must be rules about what people do. Children have the right to be children and there is no excuse to go round fucking them literally or metaphorically. I was actually very interested to see those BA boy kids had never kicked a football and thegirls had never owned a doll. That's where kids should be at: playing ball and playing with toys.

The Internet and the collapse of Communism has opened up a lot of new doors. It does not make fucking kids right in the least. I hope we can discuss the issue, learn and not help spread that scourge.

[Skinless]

Dear Mr Z: Yes, you are right on both counts. I confused Nicholas Bornof, the journalist, with Mr Nicholas Kristof, the journalist. Thank God, we have the NYT to tell us child prostitution exists for how else would we know (especially as, with regard to your second point, we keep our heads fimly in our asses). Still, it was a good story, eh? Pulled the old heart strings, so the Newspaper of (Long Playing) Record will be happy as subscriptions might go up.

And thank you Civ. You are indeed right. No one can post there, besides our genial host, Mr Jackson. Child prostitution is an interesting story and, for what it is worth, I previously posted about how I came across it (male boys) in LOS and how LE questioned a farang who was there for it.

Cambodia is particularly sad, given all the shit that country had to go through. The solution, however, is not the NYT or the BBC doing a very cheap (in dollar terms) piece on it. I wish I knew the solution but we are probably all part of the problem.

[Mr Z Man]

Child prostitution needs to be wiped out at all costs.

I know a little bit bit about SE Asia. I lived there continuosly for six years. I did plenty of mongering while there. I'm married to a beautiful Thai girl and we are now living in the US with our daughter for the last four years.

This article and story are for real as are the authors credentials. I'm all for girls over eighteen doing as they please if not forced into prositution.

You guys need to get your heads out of your asses and start living in the real world. Below is biography of NY Times author. It was gleaned from the NY Times website. Do some investigation before you start spouting rubbish and misinformation!

Nicholas D. Kristof was appointed as a columnist for The New York Times in 2001. His columns appear each Wednesday and Saturday.

Previously, he was associate managing editor of The Times, responsible for the Sunday editions. Mr. Kristof joined The Times in 1984, initially covering economics. After that, he served successively as a business correspondent based in Los Angeles, Hong Kong bureau chief, Beijing bureau chief and Tokyo bureau chief. In 2000, he covered the presidential campaign and, in particular, Governor George W. Bush.

In 1990 Mr. Kristof and his wife, Sheryl WuDunn, jointly won a Pulitzer Prize for their coverage of the Tiananmen Square democracy movement in China. They are the only married couple to have won a Pulitzer for journalism, and they also won various other journalism prizes including the George Polk Award for foreign reporting and the Overseas Press Club award for international reporting.

Born on April 27, 1959, Mr. Kristof grew up on a cherry farm near Yamhill, Oregon. He attended Harvard College and graduated Phi Beta Kappa in 1981, then won first class honors in his study of law at Oxford University on a Rhodes Scholarship. He also received a diploma in Arabic from the American University in Cairo.

Mr. Kristof and Ms. WuDunn are authors of "China Wakes: The Struggle for the Soul of a Rising Power" (1994) and "Thunder from the East: Portrait of a Rising Asia" (2000). They are the parents of three children

[Travis Bickle 2]

Skinless, What section is that? I didn't know there was an opinion spot reserved for that discussion. Are you referring to the editorial section? I believe that thread is closed to all but Jackson. Let me know.

Civ2K

[Shomohin]

Skinless,

Actually, Pink Samurai was written by Nicolas _Bornoff_.

Sho

[Skinless]

Greetings everyone. I looked in here to say hello and whose name do I see? Nicholas D Kristoff. Hmm. What a name? Could this, I said to myself (for I talk a lot to myself in my padded cell) be the same NDK (a journalist) who wrote Pink Samurai, about s-e-x in Japan many moons ago? That was a funny book, well written, witty but little of substance in it. (Japs are like bunny rabbits, always at it giggle giggle) Thought he had died.

One of the beauties of traveling is to fuck women. Little else worth doing really. Many journalists have bought hookers their freedom (set them up in their village with $200). The BBC, with which NDK would be familiar, did it some years ago in Thailand. They usually fail. Same as the guys here who send $200 or $200,000 for that matter.

Sex traficking makes good copy. Especially when kids are involved - and it is great this issue is now being raised here and in Thai Photos, but it might be much better in the Opinion spot Jackson reserved for it. Maube it should also be raised inthe German-Czech section too. Many of the NGO guys are legit; others don't know Jack shit. There is a LOT of sex exploitation of kids in Cambodia (anyone like Garry Glitter?) Thing is, my Pattaya friends told me, when the media run a shock and outrage story, business booms. Every time!

Let's be adult about this conversation. We are not saints (well maybe Saint is a Saint but....) No need to flame NDK etc. Just the facts gents, just the facts.

[Mr Z Man]

more on ny times article.

going home, with hope
by nicholas d. kristof

published: january 24, 2004
battambang, cambodia
as we bounced along rural cambodian roads, away from the wild brothel town of poipet, the two teenage prostitutes i had just purchased told me how they had come to be 21st-century slaves.
as described in my last couple of columns, i had visited cambodia to write about one of the great scourges of the third world, [CodeWord908], which ensnares some 700,000 people worldwide per year. at its worst, the trafficking system takes innocent village girls, often sold by relatives or kidnapped by neighbors, imprisons them in brothels to be raped repeatedly and leaves them dead of aids by their early 20's — and yet there is far less international effort to save these children than to, say, save the brazilian rain forest.
i ended up buying the freedom of two girls, srey neth for $150 and srey mom for $203. srey neth, a 17-year-old with short hair and increasing sass as she left servitude behind, is a third-grade dropout. her family owns five acres of farmland, but her father caught malaria and they had to mortgage the land to pay for treatment to save him. the family risked losing the land altogether, so an older female cousin, mam di, suggested a solution.
"mam di said, half-seriously, half-joking, 'your family is in debt, so you'd better go make some money by selling your virginity,' " srey neth recalled. "at first i didn't understand what she meant. but she kept explaining."
in a third world country like cambodia, where girls are second-class citizens and steeped in the notion that they must sacrifice for their families, mam di's argument was persuasive.
"i agreed because i knew my mom was in debt and i wanted to help her," srey neth said. "i didn't care what kind of job i had to do to help her."
so mam di told the family that she would get srey neth a job selling fruit and then took her to a brothel, which sold her virginity to a casino manager. a doctor examined srey neth to confirm to the casino manager that she was not infected by the aids virus and that she was a genuine virgin. then, for $750, srey neth spent a week with the casino manager. he did not use a condom.
afterward, srey neth was confined to the brothel and sold for $13 a session. she worked as a prostitute for a month, until i met her and freed her.
srey neth grew more animated as we finally rumbled down a dirt road and reached her home, a thatch-roofed hut on stilts. but her family showed more interest in our car than in srey neth; she was treated as no more than a lost cat that had shown up again.
i could see how a girl with gumption like srey neth, unschooled and naïve, could yearn to get away. it is precisely this low status of peasant girls in so many countries that makes the trafficking possible. for trafficking to be wiped out, the low status of girls needs to be addressed through literacy and job programs and other efforts.
to keep girls from being trafficked again, aid workers had told me, two things are necessary. first, their past must be kept secret, for otherwise they will be stigmatized and can never marry. second, they need some alternative way of earning a living.

we had discussed business possibilities on the long drive, and i left srey neth's family with $100 so she could build and operate a small grocery shop on the village street outside her home. i also arranged for american assistance for cambodia (www.cambodiaschools.com), an excellent aid organization experienced in helping cambodian children, to visit srey neth periodically, help her open the business and train her in reading and perhaps other skills, all as a pilot effort to help teenage prostitutes start new lives.
that evening, srey mom's cellphone chirped, and it was srey neth, excited and joyful in her restored freedom. "i've already bought the wood to build the grocery store," she declared.
so one girl was back in her village, seemingly adjusting well. but the one we really worried about was srey mom, who had been a prostitute for much longer, and whose family did not even know she was alive. we got back in the car for the long trek, clear to the other end of cambodia, to srey mom's village. stay tuned.

[Tooch]

That NY Times article caused quite a stir. Just wait until you see this! http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3032600/

Dateline NBC just aired a big piece on child prostitution in Cambodia. It includes an interview with Colin Powell.

I know that this forum has a high standard of not talking about child prostitution. However, this is a major embarassment to Cambodia and I think it will make it difficult for mongering.

Tooch

[El Ricardo]

I appreciate the comments, and I'm not into the moral debate either. Personally, I'm interested in following this story, and would be more interested in a follow up story from Kristof in about six months and tell us all how it turned out.

Also, I thought about just putting the link in here, but its only available from the NYT for a day or two. But if its of no interest, I don't want to add clutter to the site...we get enough of it. I expect there will be more installments coming from Kristof, and if anybody's interested, they know where to find it.

My only experience with the asian ladies (other than the AMP's with Koreans here) was a Thai girl in Geneva, Switzerland. God she was beautiful! Incredible body, and would do most everything except kiss. That she saved for her husband back in Thailand. She was only going to work in Switzerland a little longer. Just long enough to get enough money to buy her husband a car that he'd always wanted. That left me talking to myself! I was clearly naive about understanding this culture but would sure like to give it a try.
ER

[Virgo]

Maybe we shold move this to another location. I dont want to get into a moral debate but prostitution is a case by case basis. As Cambodia becomes more liberated and educated maybe it will be more like Thailand and have some girls with choices, and eventually just like the west with us literally begging for some ass. BUT, Alexander I must say that your Grand Pa hitting your Grand Ma is not a form us respect but control similar to what we dont like to see. Respect is given to those who deserve it not taken by force.

[That Asshole]

additionally i would like to make some notes of elricardo's report and that of the young journalist's:

this is just ridiculous. every time some asian female says something it is all taken at face value. for example the confinement, forced labour, kidnapping, etc, etc.

dear colleagues,

if you have spent any reasonable time in asia you would know this by now: eyes swimming in tears and she is telling you about this heart rendering story. her mother died when she was three, they had to work in the ricefields instead of play, forced into prostitution at the young age of 12, abusive clients, maffia, [CodeWord124] and so on and on and on.

we have heard this a million times and it brings no news. you just don't understand what's really going on. it takes a while to get used to it. the point is this: you are a foreigner. you are an outsider and will always be. your name doesn't matter because it is always the same :"mr. cash".

that's right. you are just food, dinner ticket. if they can't get you laid then they part you from your money in other ways. by heart rendering stories of hardship and abuse and whatever else may work.

that's their way of life, that's how they survive. don't believe one single word they say. it's the same everywhere in the philippines, thailand, cambodia, brazil. certainly don't try to prosecute another foreigner on the grounds of what they say. if you do, you may be the next.

guess what will happen if that poor young inexperienced journalist pays for the girls and "rescues" them so to say. they send half of the money back to mama, spend the other half on some glass beads or ear-ring and the very next week they are back in business, crying to the next foreign reporter who is willing to listen to them.

it's happened a billion times and will again happen till eternity. it's really funny to me that people still get caught by them. but yet it has happened to me too and possibly will happen again if i am not on guard.

take care

alexander