Child Prostitution

[PsyberZombie]

if you *hate* ****s as much as i do , you'll find
this site quite entertaining !! =

http://perverted-justice.com/

here's just one example =

a '****' at <manu11081971@yahoo.com>

[ feel free to e-mail him with your opinions ]

... turned out to be a fricken leo !!

or , as he is now = an ex - leo !!

check out the story of his bust at =

http://www.kptv.com/global/story.asp?s=1651577

the video link there with him all teary·eyed and *swearing* he didn't intend to have sex with the girl , is directly contra·dicted by his own im's !! =

http://perverted-justice.com/index.php?archive=manu11081971

[ his home phone # is given in this link , for what it's worth ]

[Travis Bickle 2]

Psyberzombie, I know the laws fairly well, albeit not for all fifty states. My point was however that the age of consent doesn't necessarily mean its legal. Quite a few places including Wa State and Vancouver B. C. have ages of consent being fourteen and sixteen respectively, however patronizing a prostitute in these age groups is a crime.

Joe Zop, Good post from you. I agree with all of it.

Society is responsible for protecting it's vulnerable members. Somewhere an arbitrary line has to be drawn. Is this line applicable to everyone? Of course not. But generally it is eighteen where a person is considered to be an adult. At this age they are old enough to sign a contract; live on their own; most have graduated high school, etc. It just makes sense. Anyone who has kids knows there is a huge difference in maturity between 16 and 18. As Joe stated there is a huge amount of negative consequences from teens engaging in sex.

Also Psyber, Know yer laws. Legally a person is considered eighteen or twenty-one the day before their birthday, not on midnight as you stated.

Civ2K

[Rubber Nursey]

I'm with Joe. I don't think age of consent laws are about whether or not the child is capable of MAKING decisions...I think it's more about whether they are capable of LIVING with those decisions. They may be old enough to have sex, but are they old enough to deal with the consequences? (And this from someone who was a teenage Mum, herself).

[Joe Zop]

PsyberZombie, while I agree with you that some and perhaps even many of those 16 year-old or even below are as capable as many adults in making such decisions, I'd also say that there's a pretty high percentage who simply are not developed to the degree that they can truly understand the consequences of their actions. Plenty of 15 or 16 year-olds think the idea of having a baby, for example, is really cool, but they have no real understanding of what it actually takes to live in the adult world and not only care for but support a child. Your list of 16-year-old accomplishments isn't really a comfort -- the fact that you did them and survived is great, but, for example, teenage drinkers are more likely to drink and drive than adults, are more likely to commit suicide, are more suceptible to brain damage and memory loss than adult drinkers, etc. Teens make up one quarter of all reported STD cases, contraceptives are not only used less often but they are more often used incorrectly and ineffectively, with teen pregnancies accounting for about one quarter of all accidental pregnancies in the US each year. And there are plenty of other stats about disproportionately negative consequences of "adult" activities on teens -- the 16 year-old you driving that truck was far more likely than most to get in an accident, for instance.

I think the intent underneath the law is clearly to try to find an age where, on average, people are able to make informed decisions about how such behavior will affect them. If there's error, it should be on the side of protecting those who are potentially vunerable.

I've got friends in their forties who seem incapable of this , but the vast majority seemingly are. Can't say that for most of the teens I know, especially those below eighteen.

[PsyberZombie]

I think that we ALL agree that having sex with CHILDREN is *Reprehensible*

The Question comes down to = At What Age is a Female able to be accountable for her Own Actions ??

Where I live [ Rhode Island , U.S.A. ] the Age of Consent is
*Sixteen Years*

Is that Un·reasonable ??

When Yours Truly was 16 yrs old = I could drive a Truck with a standard transmission; was drinking beer and Martinis; smoking tobacco and pot; Going to Bars and Strip Clubs [ using Fake IDs ] ; having Sex; and generally doing EVERY·THING an 'Adult' was doing [ except Vote ]

The LAW said I was a 'Minor' , but I knew that 'Adult·hood' was just an Arbitrary Line on the Calender

ALSO = when I was younger, I worked as a LifeGuard for several Summers; and quickly learned that MANY of the Bikini·popping Babes I met were as young as ** 13 ** !!

And Many of THEM were more 'Socially Advanced' than I was !!

So therefore I find it Very Hard to accept the View·Point of the faction of posters here that write that a WOMAN who happens to be 16 yrs old is in·capable of making Life Decisions for HER·SELF !!

[PsyberZombie]

To : Civ2000

Know Yer Laws !!

Here's the Relevant Statute here in “ Li'l Rhody ” =

TITLE 11
Criminal Offenses
CHAPTER 11-37
Sexual Assault
SECTION 11-37-6


§ 11-37-6 Third degree sexual assault. – A person is guilty of third degree sexual assault if he or she is over the age of eighteen (18) years and engaged in sexual penetration with another person over the age of fourteen (14) years and under the age of consent, sixteen (16) years of age.

[Travis Bickle 2]

psyberzombie, excellent points and ones i've made in the past myself. i use the example of traci lords in the movie "new wave hooker's". in that movie she was fifteen but everyone including the producers thought she was eighteen. did that make us all ****s because we were sexually excited while watching that movie? heck no!. were we ****s because we got excited watching that movie when we learned her real age? again no. your definition of ****philia is exactly the same as psychologists use to define it. which is a sexually immature child; usually under the age of twelve. i don't believe it is okay to have sex with someone under 18; it's just not ****phila however.

one thing to note however: the age of consent is misleading in many states. although the age of consent is 16 in my state (washington) it is a felony to patronize a 16 or 17-year-old prostitute. in addition, sex with a consenting 16 or 17 year old is considered "communication with a minor for immoral purposes" which is a gross misdeanor. i wouldn't be at all surprised if rhode island had a similiar law. most states do. thinking the age of consent means its okay for an adult to have sex with a gal under 18 has landed many a well-intentioned guy behind bars. best not to go there.

finally, ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law. if the sw looks like she's thirty; has legitimate i. d.; and says she thirty -- you're still guilty if she turns out to be 17.

i was seeing a counselor about ten years ago and was telling him about my mongering and he asked me if i had any ****phila type desires. i answered that sometimes when i passed the local high school and saw those young hotties wearing their short skirts i got a bit excited and fantasized a bit. his answer was "join the club" and said that was perfectly normal behavior as long as i didn't act on it. i never have.

be careful out there!

civ2k

[PsyberZombie]

some terminology needs to be clarified here because it seems that some of you guys aren't talking about the same thing.

****philia is an intense and recurring desire to have sexual relations with sexually immature children. ****philia is a psychiatric disorder and is abnormal and illegal.

ephebophilia is the perfectly normal desire to have sexual relations with a sexually mature individual who just happens to legally ****. while normal, acting on ephebophila is also illegal, and is called statuatory [CodeWord123] in the u.s. legal system.

you can be an ephebophile in one jurisdiction and perfectly legal in another. also important to note is that with any given individual desired, relations cease to be illegal at some 'magical' moment [ typically, midnight on the the person's 18th birthday ]

here's an example:

take a look at these images of the 17 year old bridgette bardot:

http://*******.com/3c2p2


any normal man will find this beautiful woman sexually attractive.

if you were to act on those desires where i live [rhode island , u.s.a.] , it would be perfectly okay because the age of consent here is sixteen.

but if you were to act on those desires just a few miles away in boston, where the age of consent is eighteen, you would be considered a criminal and if prosecuted and convicted would most likely be sentenced to a prison term.

i only point this all out because some people here call apparent ephebophiles, ****s; and there is a world of difference between the two.

[Skinless]

Cozy little group here. Interesting others have not joined in. Oh well.
1.Freeler: I made the [baold] to allow some people to [bold] do this shit[/bold] . However, it stuck me and some others to see the problem of making getting equal billing as the topic of this thread
2. I put some graphic photos up which reinforce Jackson's editorial line. In answer to Sainter's question, go read up on it by google. Here is one more photo.
3. Joe: Thank you for coming in here. The thread is dangerous but important. Have a look at the Looking for Lefty thread in Milwaukee. Everyone could benefit by reading the pros and cons in that thread.I would go so far as to say everyone should be made read it.
4. Everyone of us should also question our own involvement in this entire industry/hobby and lots of other guys in many threads have made great points about this. I have met lots of mongers in LOS I believe should be put to death; I do not want to be on vacation with any of them, except it is is to bring them down The Long Mile to Old Sparky. The common thread of Thailand which binds us is: cheap women and tragedy. We all feed off the tragedy but there has to be limits. Age has to be a defining factor and I do not need some teeny bopper to boost my ego.
5. Because I like good sex, the ideal sex partner should be at least 25 years of age. Although a late night orgy party with some younger sluts might be nice, I don't need a girl who does not know wtf she is doing with an old man (as we all are to teenagers).
6. Cheap destinations like Thailand - more so Cambodia and places now - allow us to buy in to any sex perversion we like. That includes kids, SM and lady boys. All of those things lead only down imho. Same as Eden. Two hired helpers and a dildo. Fucking boring. I now find women in their 40s-50s sexy!! I find kids are kids and they make me laugh watching them hunt each other. I am no part of that and do not want to be a part of it.
7. Firedick. I do not not need the BB One. Or Oprey. Gimme a break. The tradedy is my my form of R&R.
8. Havanaman: The cops were on to the Dutch guy and they asked him for his details. That guy was just one guy but I subsequnetly found out things had got a lot nastier there. Anyone thinking of fucking the Thais around should know if you fuck them around, the don't take prisoners.
9. Jackson. thank you again for putting up with all of us and [bld][red} Tell Laura I Love Her.[/red] [/bold]

[Freeler]

Skinless,

Unlike Joe Zop, I won't take the bait!
And I'm going to stick to smileys too and none of that '[ baaold] and close the highlighted piece with [/ boallld] wqiht collect sperring.'

BTW Is it very obvious that I don't buy The_Traveller's bullshit?

Have fun

[Joe Zop]

ok, skinless, i'll bite.

i agree that "morality of prostitution" is a strange term, but it's threads like this one that call it into question. somewhere in the equation, if you're someone who doesn't believe that prostitution is innately any big deal or wrong, there's gotta be a level of responsibility that falls on the monger, and the whole **** thing definitely has to be one of them.

i've some sympathy about traveler's experiences, in that dealing with women of a different culture, who have different physical and social features than one is used to, can make it harder to differentiate age. heck, we've had high profile instances with porn stars in the states (tracy lords, etc.) where many people have been fooled. i think traveler is taking a heavy amount of grief for trying to do a reasonable thing, which is point out how easy it is to get fooled in a culture where bar girls are all supposed to be of age and some who look the part are not.

but somewhere along the line responsibility still has to fall to the monger to know what he's getting into, and that's true in terms of the age of his partner as much as it is the circumstances. most of us would be horrified to know that we're frequenting a place where the workers are virtual slaves, who have been duped into working there are are held by force, and we'd stop going once we knew that. so i don't see how mongers don't have to feel an extra sense of care or caution if they know that **** sex workers are wandering around.

as i said in the thailand thread, i'm not someone who's particularly into teenagers regardless, not only because of this issue but because i think women at least in their twenties simply tend to be better sex partners, but if i'm at all unsure or uneasy i'm walking away. my caveat on traveler's situation is why he, as an experienced monger who speaks fluent thai, didn't do the same, and i can only conclude it was either the little head speaking or alcohol clouding his judgement unless it's just the thrill of making it with someone far younger than he.

[Sainter]

Hey Skinless who is she and where did this happen?


Agree with you about the Thai board. We can be a bunch of grandmas sometimes carrying on like we do.

Skinless the dead poet.

[Skinless]

Joe Zop Where are you when we need you. Give this thread a blast if only to move the Thai stuff foreard. You are always going on about the morality of prostitution, a strange term. What do you think of our latest problem on the Thai page? Maybe Jackson should ban all of us?

What is all this about GFE? All we are doing is trying to relive our adolescence. Pony tailers in our 50s and 60s taking some teenage idiot around to boost our egos. We still have to draw a line somewhere but we must also recognize the hypocrisy in our own actions.

The Thai chick works thing because guys get off the plane praying that anyone of fuckable age will say I love you to them. Many of them pay out big fortunes to hear those words. I odn't particularly want to hear it from a Thai hooker.

Mongering will never have major appeal for the same reason main stream middle class religion will never die out. Imagine the repercussions. The gay lobby hate the way Nambla tack on to them. There are all sorts of gay guys. There are all sorts of mongers. But having a Nambla platoon on your back will win mongers no friends.

To everyone in the Thai section, let us move on. And let us also post relevant stuff here in this place which the ever patient Jackson has provided. Jackson has opened up this important thread.

We all live with hypocrisy and with our own baggage but various threads here - the American women, Morality of Porstitution and many more - allow us to spin ideas around, sometimes in an inteligent way. Let us sieze the day.

BTW, Traveller, to make bold type [ baaold] and close the highlighted piece with [/ boallld] wqiht collect sperring.

[Kafka]

I thought the sex slavery story in the NY Times Magazine was exaggerated.

It primarily detailed mexican girls being imported and provided for Mexicans in the United States, and is not indicative of the over-all sex business in the mainstream.

Anyway slavery implies some sort of legal ownership-- these are really "kidnapping" or "hostage" situations.

As for the child sex in Thailand......it is going on and its pretty obvious if you go to Pattaya. It is on the fringes of the more typical sex tourism, but if you look far enough, it is unfortunately there.

Anywhere there is great poverty and a fairly open sex trade, I think this kind of thing is inevitable under those circumstances.

What is even more unfortunate is deviants who prey on pre-pubescent children in these locations-- that is just shocking and criminal, and can't be tolerated.

[Organicgrowth]

I’m no snitch, but I would urge reporting this Dutch guy to the local ‘boys in blue’ if he was preying on kids. I hold no hard-line beliefs on anything other than my zero-tolerance of paedophilia.

There is no place for such people in our world. No place at all. Enough said.