2003 Archived Reports

[Epithumia]

AsianDude & Irishman:

I have asked the girls at AB if they share profits with the house. Apparently the money you pay to go upstairs goes 100% to the girl. The house makes money off the drink tickets. One girl told me they had to have 10 drink tickets at the end of the night and another told me 20. Not sure if it depends on length of shift or what. Every drink they get gives them a ticket. If they don't have enough tickets at the end of the night then they have to pay the balance out of their pocket.

I know that negoitiating has gotten easier for me knowing that they get all the money for going up to the room. Hey $40-$50 is alot of money in TJ. If they split with the house then I wouldn't try to negoitiate as hard.

[irishman]

Practices differ, particularly in the strip clubs outside the zona, because they are trying to serve different markets. There are strip clubs on Revolucion that are basically prostitution outlets, although not quite as openly as the Zona bars. Beverly Hills, Pussycats and others I would put in this category.

Other places on Revolucion are not and are more akin to American strip clubs. Not all the girls, or even a majority, will have sex for money. Some will, particularly with regular customers, but it is not necessarily sanctioned by the owners. Higher end places are Madonas, Lord Black, Bolero, maybe Penthouse (never been there) and Amnesia.

I was told by a chica from Bolero that the owners there are very strict. The chicas are actually weighed every week and if they do not make weight, they are told to lose weight and come back in a week. There are all sorts of rules that goven their conduct in the bar, such as rules prohibiting them from approaching customers sitting near the stage or sitting on the laps of customers in the club. This club is going for a higher end "classier" atmosphere, including trying to serve businessman with clients, and the talent level is probably the best of anywhere in TJ. This chica told me she had been suspended for two weeks for fighting with another chica over a customer. She said this customer was a regular of the other chicas, but he asked for dances from her. When she went into the back, the other chica went after her. (I told her I would have liked to have seen that).

[Hardbarg]

I think you're right about a not exactly free market, but it's not as simple as that. As best as I can tell, chicas will go "to the room" in just about any bar in la zona, and rev as well. Some places encourage that sort of thing, some don't. It seems to be more a matter of each bar having a different emphasis, for reasons that aren't obvious. Keep in mind, many of these places are supposed to be owned by the same people. I believe the girls are generally free-lancers in all these places, but only a few places are as organized such as AB. The job of every employee of all the bars, hotels, mps, strip joints, etc. is to generate as much spending by the suckers, er customers, as possible. Everything is overpriced, and that's where they make their money. If a chica doesn't generate enough cash flow (fichas, room rents), she's not invited back. Just having access to the fish is strong incentive for these girls.

As for the waiters, they are basically pimps. I can't think of a single instance where they have added positively to my experience, in any of the bars. CC being among the worst. If you aren't secure enough to pick your own chica, you don't belong in ZN.

However, buying a drink is pretty much like an entrance fee in all these places. Take HoMaster's advice, buy a beer directly from the bar and nurse it.

[irishman]

Asiandude, I have always assumed and believed that AB and CC do not take a cut of what a chica makes upstairs, and that the owners make money with drinks (customer and chica) and the room charges, which are a gold mine. I think the chica keeps all the money for services, but now that you raise the issue I have to admit that I have never actually asked anyone this question. So perhaps my understanding is incorrect, but I doubt it. I am sure others will post on this topic.

I don't think AB and CC are as unique as you suggested in having a hotel. For example, La Tropa has a hotel. Tropical has a hotel nearby. I agree HK and Miami are a bit different because the hotel used by chicas at those clubs is not exclusive to those chicas (it is also used by SGs), but you can bet the owners of HK either own the hotel or get a cut of the room charges generated by their chicas. In fact, I believe if you take a chica to the hotel from HK or Miami, the room charge is about double the room charge if you take a SG.

Anyway, you are looking at this as a free market issue i.e. if AB and CC are successful and making lots of money, in a free market one would expect competition to spring up. But Mexico does not work that way, especially when it comes to essentially illicit businesses like those in the zona. It is based upon political and law enforcement connections and approvals and bribery. I don't think it would be particularly easy for any additional competition to spring up, even if your premise was correct.

[AsianDude]

Yes, it's true. If you are in a bar, you are expected to buy drinks. That is if it is an ordinary bar. But CC and AB are not one of those ordinary bars. Most guys including myself go to CC or AB to look for some fun with the chicas and I am pretty sure that they take a big cut from the chicas who go upstaires with a client. If they keep leaving bad taste in the guys' mouth with hassling over a measly beer, they would lose customers and that's something they would not want to happen. At least, I wouldn't do that if I were a manager there. Anyone know why there is only a couple bars(AB,CC) in TJ for years now that have chicas who go upstairs ? I mean, with so much money AB and CC must be making day in and day out, why wouldn't other clubs want to do the same ? Do they require some sort of special license to operate the way AB and CC do ? Hong Kong has a good lineup of chicas but they do not operate the way CC and AB do. Makes me wonder.

[irishman]

Checking out clubs other than AB and CC is a good idea regardless of the drink policies.

I did a few a weeks ago have a decent and unusual experience at AB. I was there to basically rest after spending an hour with a cute young SG (who was excellent, by the way). A somewhat older chica, cannot remember her name, approached me. Usually I would immediately tell her I was not interested, but she talked a good game. So, as I sometimes do in these circumstances, I asked for what one usually cannot get in AB--BBBJ. Emphasized that was the only thing I wanted--this is important because I have had chicas agree to BBBJ, but then do a rushed one and slap a condom on and begin sex. She agreed. We went to the room and she did as she promised, and even CIM, which I had not asked for in the bar. Excellent technique. So good that I was able to finish relatively quickly even though I had just been with the SG for two pops.

One unusual thing about her is that she had implants in her ass. I could feel something floating around down there that felt exactly like a breast implant. Never noticed anything like that before, although I have heard some chicas have had it done. Breast implants I can understand, although I don't like them as a rule, but ass implants?

[Immortal]

I agree with Irishman and think if you are gonna take up space in their establishment you should at the very least buy one drink. I think the same principle as those who are told to buy something or put down the magazines at newstands or bookstores. It's not a library. Especially when those places get packed. I would enjoy more elbow room in the already too crowded and hot clubs.

[Turbolover]

For what its worth, I got hassled in CC to buy a drink while checking out the scene awhile back. It pissed me off and surprised me greatly too. I have had some good experiences at Chicago, don't agree with the policy, but now accept having to buy a drink as being part of territory there.
That policy has caused me to look into other competitors outside of the AB/CC circuit. I still do CC, but I do not go nearly as much.
So many other outlets for good women. Sometimes if I do not feel like going in but I am in the neigborhood I tell them I heard some guys had a hard time, so maybe I will pay a visit next time.
Yes, its their business and they can do what they want, but I feel it does not hurt to advertise the friendly policies of their competitors and in the meantime perform a public service for myself and others who may not like their policy.

[irishman]

As anyone who has read my prior posts knows, I am definitely not an apologist for the Chicago Club. However, in my experience, Chicago waiters are more honest than prevailing Tijuana standards. I have never been ripped off by a waiter in Chicago.

I do not see anything wrong with a bar, in Tijuana or anywhere, expecting a patron to buy a drink of some kind while there. Bars don't make money by having people come in and take up space without buying anything. Personally, I would not go into a bar in Tijuana, stay for any period of time, and not buy at least one drink of some kind. It is expected, understandably.

[Dosequis]

In all TJ bars, especially AB and CC try to use the same waiter or two. Establish a relationship with them. You will never get ripped off that way. Some guys do tip $1 but I feel a fair tip us .50 but that's up to you. The best waiter in CC is Martin who is older and has been in CC for over 30 years. He does speak some English, is extremely honest and I couldn't imagine him hassling someone to buy a drink.

[HoMaster]

Yeah....I think the CC waiters are the worst in TJ. Don't buy the drink through them....they'll fuck with you for a tip and fuck with you if you don't give a tip and fuck with your change if you don't give exact money. Buy a beer directly from the bar and just nurse it. Same if you decide to buy a chica drink - get it from the bar.....and sit at the bar. Tell the chicas that they are the best in TJ, but you never come to CC anymore 'cos the waiters are such assholes. Tell them your rich friends are at another club/bar and wouldn't even set foot in CC to spend money on the chicas 'cos of the asshole waiters. Tell the barman the same thing. That's what I do anyway. Minimizes the disgust of having to deal with the waiters and gives a little pleasure knowing that you might be alienating them from the chicas/establishment. They more than deserve it! - HoMaster

[AsianDude]

I've been going to TJ after work on Friday the past few weeks. Man, once you are hooked on it, there is no escaping it. I mean, the greenback is well spent in TJ when comparing to places in the US. I also like the atmosphere, the carefree and friendly hispanic people. I've been having pretty good luck and time with chicas so far(that's why I keep going there every week) but had a fucked up(excuse my language) incident at CC. I got there about 9:30 so it was expected to be slow. While I was still trying to adjust my eyes to the darkness inside, this old waiter comes and asks if I wanted beer. I already had a couple at Hong Kong, so I declined. Then this asshole says with broken English that I could hardly understand, outside ! I said, what ? He says, no drink, go outside. I said to myself, what the fxxx ! Well, this is something new for me. I mean, in my years of frequenting TJ this never happened to me. Anyway, I just smiled at him and stood my ground and he walked away. Then a few minutes later, another old waiter guy comes and askes the same question. Drink ? I said to him, I already had muchos cerveza. He goes away and comes back with Tecate. At this point, I've had it. I just walked out shaking my head. What is going on here ? The attitude of these waiters took a turn for the worse lately at CC. Is this just one time event ?

Anyway, I wasn't going to let them ruin my trip. I found this real cutie SG who says just started working there. She stands on the CC side but up north towards Constitucion. Man, she is probably one of the prettiest SGs I've seen in TJ. No loose skin, firm body, the service was good. She was actually into it while I was doing her. I think her name was Marie, or so I heard. Highly recommended. look 10, service 9, attidute 9. I ended up doing three SGs on this trip and had tons of fun with them. SGs can be cheap(we all know this) and fun at the same time as long as you know how to negotiate with them. I was even able to do anal with two of them with a small fee.

Happy hunting guys.

[Snowman66]

Woops, I forgot to add my email address for those of you very cool guys and gals who are willing to show me the ropes on how to enjoy AB, CC and everything else heavenly down there.

Again, please email me at bigdoggg30@hotmail.com if you have the time to show me around on Monday or Tuesday 10/6-7. I will gladly pay for all your beers, food, transportation and maybe some hotel money for your own chica.

Look forward to hearing and hanging with some of you.

Thanks!

[Snowman66]

Hey mongers,

I am new to the board and am dying to get to TJ. However, I am also new to this and would love for any of you cool guys (and or gals) out there to show me the way to AB and others. I will gladly pay for all your beers and transportation and maybe a little hotel money for your chica.

I am off on MOnday and Tuesday 10/6-7. PLease help me out someone.

Thanks a million!

[TjMax]

The Monger Card is great....
I have used it since AddictedToWomen posted it many months ago...

I shrank it down to a trifold laminated card about the size of a credit card...

Thanks ATW!!!!