Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Efjayel]

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori.../?zIndex=49284

WTF?

Who are these two *******es and WTF.

I can only imagine that they were strung out on crystal.

Well i'm not a sailor nor in the military so I doubt the girls will be afraid of me. But I certainly hope these a-holes get kicked out of the navy for what they did. And I hope they got butt rammed at the TJ jails. If they where high on anything, which is likely and they find it on their system, it's automatic dishonorable discharge from the Navy.

I'll ask about this incident the next time I visit so I can get the details. Unless Country Juan can fill us in as to the exact bar/hotel and girls this happened to.

[Pablito Diablito]

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori.../?zIndex=49284

WTF?

Who are these two *******es and WTF.

I can only imagine that they were strung out on crystal.

[B Dulles]

this is amazing. I didn't realize it was that bad! I haven't been down in a year and a half but wanted to go down probably 3-4 months back but the killings scared me off. I am surprised so many people are still going and that the prices are the same with this and the economy being bad!

There were over 300 murders in LA County last year alone. One guy was killed in his car, in his drive at 8am about 2 blocks from me. And, I live in "one of the top ten safest cities in the US with a population over 100, 000.

Now, that's scary. I was just in the zone. It is scary because it it different. Keep your wits, read the advice of others here and you will be fine.

[Member #4450]

I always use Banamex ATMs or a Supermarket, stay away from those small all glass boot in some corner street, don't trust anyone but yourself and don't ask
for help either at the atm, it is safer if you look for a bank atm like Banamex etc,
or some shopping center outside the zona of tolerance.

[Precocious One]

My ATM card got hit when I was living in Monterrey, MX. A total pain in the ass as they would not mail the replacement card to my Monterrey apartment but only to my address on file in the U.S. Fortunately, I had someone picking up my mail for me so it was not a problem other than a time inconvenience.

I used to be careless when entering my PIN and I believe that it was somehow recorded on camera(I only used one particular Banamex Bank ATM). From that point on, I always covered my hand and the keyboard (with paper) when entering the PIN and never had a problem, thereafter. I have probably used it in excess of 40 more times with this particular technique since the original incident occured.

Also, make sure that you call your CC company if you are planning on using your card while in MX. My Chase had an automatic fraud prevention that would not allow its use unless notified beforehand.

[Efjayel]

I wouldn't trust using my ATM in mexico anyways. I've seen how people device ways to steal your card without ever touching it. Like implanting a scanner on the machine that reads your card when you insert it, then a camera that records you entering your pin. After reading your card, they'll use a card copier on a writable magnetic card like the kind they have at hotels. Then they can go to any ATM insert their fake copy of your ATM card and be able to take out money. And this scam is done a lot in the US.

I always make sure to take enough money when I visit Tj.

[Country John]

Here's an alert based on following the police arrest reports here in TJ as well as scanning a few other reports:

DO NOT VISIT AN ATM MACHINE ALONE.

HAVE SOMEONE WITH YOU WHO CAN KEEP PRYING EYES (OR PEOPLE WITH CEL PHONE CAMERAS) AWAY FROM THE MACHINE WHILE YOU ARE USING IT.

HERE IS THE SCAM:

You enter an ATM machine to get money to fuck your favorita, the guy waiting behind you or to one side appears to be using his cel phone. He is actually running a video of you entering your pin. You exit with your cash, you get rolled for your cash and your atm card.

Also, NEVER permit anyone to "assist you" with your transaction. The ATM machines in TJ might be a bit slower than stateside soyou might get the idea that there is a problem when there ain't one. Bubba knows this and offers to "help" you. Bubba has a hundred old ATM cards in his pocket one one looks just like yours. after he "helps" you he switches cards and you end up witha card belonging to some old lady.

It's an old scam, but these guys are back in busines and are apparetnly more agressive.

NEVER GO TO THE ATM ALONE, NEVER PERMIT ANYONE TO GET CLOSE OR "ASSIST" YOU.

[Country John]

While the cartels are not targeting civilians not involved in the drug trade a number of innocents have died from stray bullets.

This is a true statement, but the shootings are not "random." IN the USA, many of the shootings ARE random, and that frightens the shit out of me.

The Zona is about as safe a place you can go these days....seriously.

[Reinaldo]

It's NOT that bad. Far as I know, none of the killings have been in the zona nor monger related. They're all being commited within the drug cartels and law enforcement. They have no reason to target civilians or tourists, and especially in a crowded area like the Zona.

While the cartels are not targeting civilians not involved in the drug trade a number of innocents have died from stray bullets.

[Efjayel]

this is amazing.. I didnt realize it was that bad! I havent been down in a year and a half but wanted to go down probably 3-4 months back but the killings scared me off. I am surprised so many people are still going and that the prices are the same with this and the economy being bad!

It's NOT that bad. Far as I know, none of the killings have been in the zona nor monger related. They're all being commited within the drug cartels and law enforcement. They have no reason to target civilians or tourists, and especially in a crowded area like the Zona.

[Country John]

I'm not surprised at all. Look at it this way: despite the rise in prices over the past few years (I remember when you could get an AB girl for $40+room), the going price for some stunner from Hottie Central is still 7 to 10 times less than what you'd pay for a provider of similar quality in most places on the other side of the border.

Besides, even a sour economy like ours doesn't override the fact that guys still have "needs" to be taken care of. I'd much rather pay $70 in Zona Norte than $300-$700+ in the U.S. (even though I still think $70 is more than I'd want to pay). That, plus getting a BBBJCIM from a bargirl isn't going to get me thrown in the slammer like it will in the States.

Despite the goings-on here in TJ, sex sells. I think it along with the mortuary business are sure bets in any economy.

Personal security is important. I'll post the name and number of a certified safe Taxi Libre driver for those of you who want that extra margin of safety. I have no connection financially to Taxi Libre and no interest in the profits therefrom.

TJ is a dangerous place if you are trying to set up a trade route for smuggling dope into the USA, or if you are in law enforcement here. It's always had it's margin of danger in the "crooksville" known as the Zona Norte, but they are still a LONG want from opening fire on the hands that feed them.

Country John

[Smut Villain]

this is amazing.. I didnt realize it was that bad! I havent been down in a year and a half but wanted to go down probably 3-4 months back but the killings scared me off. I am surprised so many people are still going and that the prices are the same with this and the economy being bad!

I'm not surprised at all. Look at it this way: despite the rise in prices over the past few years (I remember when you could get an AB girl for $40+room), the going price for some stunner from Hottie Central is still 7 to 10 times less than what you'd pay for a provider of similar quality in most places on the other side of the border.

Besides, even a sour economy like ours doesn't override the fact that guys still have "needs" to be taken care of. I'd much rather pay $70 in Zona Norte than $300-$700+ in the U.S. (even though I still think $70 is more than I'd want to pay). That, plus getting a BBBJCIM from a bargirl isn't going to get me thrown in the slammer like it will in the States.

[California Guy]

More than 350 people killed in TJ in the past 2 months?

http://www.kpbs.org/borderbattle

Are the these numbers right?
Maybe for Afghanistan not for TJ, how accurate is this?

this is amazing.. I didnt realize it was that bad! I havent been down in a year and a half but wanted to go down probably 3-4 months back but the killings scared me off. I am surprised so many people are still going and that the prices are the same with this and the economy being bad!

[Country John]

More than 350 people killed in TJ in the past 2 months?

http://www.kpbs.org/borderbattle

Are the these numbers right?
Maybe for Afghanistan not for TJ, how accurate is this?

Yes, the numbers are right.

If the narcos opened up on the civilian population or on the the toruist population, you must agree that the fallout from that would be enormous.

Even the stupid narcos know that if the civilian population gets into the act of eliminating them, if they turn against them in their actions then it's over for sure. If there is a tourist slaughter, the entire effort will get kicked up several notches and who knows what involvement the American government would have.

Mexico is another country of course, but when things regress to a point where the narcos are engaged in terrorist tactics against the civilian population, the governments of Mexico and the USA would come together in a way never seen before. Right now, it's strictly a "domestic issue" as far as the actual killings are concerned, although there have been some incidents state-side directly related to narco activities in Mexico. The trafficing issue spills over into the USA in a big way.

[Member #4450]

More than 350 people killed in TJ in the past 2 months?

http://www.kpbs.org/borderbattle

Are the these numbers right?
Maybe for Afghanistan not for TJ, how accurate is this?