Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Travv]

Quote The outcome is basically the same as similar places where restrictions are imposed. ".

The country of Belarus, which imposed no legal lockdown at all throughout the entire pandemic, has released COVID mortality figures which are broadly in line with other nearby countries which imposed draconian lockdowns.

After authorities in Belarus refused to put their citizens under lockdown, the global media had a collective hissy fit, with one headline declaring, "One leader looks hell-bent on turning COVID-19 into a catastrophe for his country."

However, while managing to avoid all the negative impacts of lockdown, the outcome of Belarus' no lockdown policy is far from a "catastrophe."

Newly released overall death statistics from the start of the pandemic up to March 2021 show that the death rate is similar to neighboring countries such as Latvia, Russia and Ukraine which imposed full lockdowns. Indeed, when compared to Poland, which imposed a particularly harsh lockdown, Belarus' mortality rate in March 2021 was significantly lower. . . Belarus is similar to Sweden, which has suffered fewer than 15,000 COVID deaths despite refusing to impose a lockdown. Figures show that cases and deaths tend to fall in waves whether a lockdown is imposed or not, proving that lockdowns are totally pointless. Quote.

John Paul Watson.

Definitely. Need more vaccinations and more lockdowns! Believe Fauci! Yeah! LOL.

Respectfully, your 99.5% figure is wrong. You are confusing the percent of vaccinated that have tested positive with the percent of new infections. While it sounds like I am splitting hairs, in fact, those figures tell very different stories.

The 99% figure represents the number of vaccinated that have not tested positive. That number, however, is very misleading. Most breakthrough cases are asymptomatic. So we have no way of knowing the real number because the vast majority of asymptomatic, vaccinated people are not getting tested. And why would they.

As for new infections: that metric is not readily available. The CDC is not providing a lot of hard data, which is curious. But a few weeks ago, they estimated about 35,000 breakthrough positive tests every week. If we take that as fact, over 10% of new infections were breakthrough cases. Two very important considerations:
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[Dcrist0527]

Just get vaccinated it is 88% percent effective against hospitalization. (99.5 percent of new infections of Covid in the US are among the unvaccinated.

Respectfully, your 99.5% figure is wrong. You are confusing the percent of vaccinated that have tested positive with the percent of new infections. While it sounds like I am splitting hairs, in fact, those figures tell very different stories.

The 99% figure represents the number of vaccinated that have not tested positive. That number, however, is very misleading. Most breakthrough cases are asymptomatic. So we have no way of knowing the real number because the vast majority of asymptomatic, vaccinated people are not getting tested. And why would they.

As for new infections: that metric is not readily available. The CDC is not providing a lot of hard data, which is curious. But a few weeks ago, they estimated about 35,000 breakthrough positive tests every week. If we take that as fact, over 10% of new infections were breakthrough cases. Two very important considerations:

1-That 35,000 figure does not represent any asymptomatic cases. Again, when vaxxed and exhibiting no symptoms, they just aren't testing.

2-This is a game changer when you look at it from transmission standpoint.

To your larger point, I agree. People should get vaccinated. It greatly improves their situation should they contract Covid. But I just don't want people to misinterpret the misleading math being pushed. (Pushed by our so called experts, not you, SeaBee).

[SeaBeeJoe]

Agree! Should conduct basic hygiene and hope the lady does as well. I usually see the pros just wash pussy and ass and then head back down. I don't think they clean their breasts after they've been salivated all over. Also probably should provide mouth wash just in case the tongue got it on the back of their throats. As long as you keep it doggy with her head in the hallway, then should be safe. You definitely dont want to be face to face as it is cat 5 biohazard and might be carrying the next variant from Brazil or Russia. Everyone should carry their antigen kits to test on the spot and costs $140 a pop. Makes for a super fun night I heard.

Just get vaccinated it is 88% percent effective against hospitalization. (99.5 percent of new infections of Covid in the US are among the unvaccinated.

[Member #4730]

For over 200 years, doctors, nurses, hospital workers all over the world have been scrubbing their hands and arms, wearing masks, gloves, sterilized garments ect to minimize catching or spreading infection.

Why are we now doubting these basic hygiene measures?

The ease of transmission and high risks of CoVid infection, with lots of unknown long-term effects, pain, death, high costs of hospitalization to everyone in the world, dictates that everyone must do everything using all means they can at individual level to contain its spread.

Wombat is right. It's not a difficult choice. When in doubt err on the safe side. Mask up, glove on, scrub your hands after picking on bar girls' anus and kittles, pucker up and hope the virus won't' kill you, your bar GFs, friends, family, children.

Agree! Should conduct basic hygiene and hope the lady does as well. I usually see the pros just wash pussy and ass and then head back down. I don't think they clean their breasts after they've been salivated all over. Also probably should provide mouth wash just in case the tongue got it on the back of their throats. As long as you keep it doggy with her head in the hallway, then should be safe. You definitely dont want to be face to face as it is cat 5 biohazard and might be carrying the next variant from Brazil or Russia. Everyone should carry their antigen kits to test on the spot and costs $140 a pop. Makes for a super fun night I heard.

[Dcrist0527]

Whether to believe what pretty much all the doctors, scientists, and health officials are telling me, or to believe what some self-appointed pundit on a monger website is telling me. (No, I'm not talking about you; I'm talking about that OTHER self-appointed pundit!) (grin).

Given that my life, and the lives of those I care about, are on the line, I'm going to err on the side of caution.

Wearing a mask may not exactly be the "silver bullet". But I have every reason to believe that it's a good bit safer than NOT wearing one.

Hey man,

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I have no medical expertise. My biggest claim to fame in that field may be passing high school Biology. If anyone takes any medical advice from me, God help them!

I get the err on the side of caution. As I've said, I got to believe masks help to some degree.

My purpose for opening my pie hole was not to claim any virology expertise. My hope is that people really start to think and challenge what the group think is. You are absolutely right. Virtually all doctors, scientists, etc agree. But what have those experts accomplished? We've done it their way and we are literally no better off right now.

I'll tell you why I do not believe pretty much anything they say. My quote from Fauci is accurate. Everyone will say 'circumstances change' and of course they do. But Fauci has directly contradicted himself more times than I can count.

What's coming? Not exactly a bold prediction here. But this will be so telling. For the last few weeks, Fauci is telling us how the booster shot is unnecessary. But we follow the science, right? The data, Pfizer, Moderna. The science tells us that Fauci is wrong. Soon, Fauci will change his mind yet again and tell us we will all die without that booster shot. I would bet a year's salary on this. It's predictable. So he's either lying to us now, or he's an idiot and not following the science. Or both. But this is the leader of that group of all doctors, scientists. This is the guy that so many follow blindly. I don't care if it's a scientist, a car salesman or a plumber. I run from someone with a track record like his.

I'm done talking about this topic. Sadly, we're all entrenched in our beliefs. But I do hope we all start to think for ourselves and evaluate our so called experts on their results. It's a scary proposition because, honestly, I don't think we have answers.

[Jackie888]

LOL Because I don't agree that the molecular size of Covid doesn't equate to "spray paint fumes"?

Or because I look at facts. Sweden deaths have outperformed most nations, without implementing mask mandates. That's just a fact.

As a nation, case counts were the highest when mask compliance was at its peak.

But don't take my word for it. Let's see what God's gift to science has to say about it:

"wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is."

Perhaps science isn't for Lord Fauci either?

Sure. Whatever. I'll send a note to the American Medical Association telling them the entire medical establishment is wrong with masking because of your personal theories and perception of data.

[Captain Solo]

For over 200 years, doctors, nurses, hospital workers all over the world have been scrubbing their hands and arms, wearing masks, gloves, sterilized garments ect to minimize catching or spreading infection.

Why are we now doubting these basic hygiene measures?

The ease of transmission and high risks of CoVid infection, with lots of unknown long-term effects, pain, death, high costs of hospitalization to everyone in the world, dictates that everyone must do everything using all means they can at individual level to contain its spread.

Wombat is right. It's not a difficult choice. When in doubt err on the safe side. Mask up, glove on, scrub your hands after picking on bar girls' anus and kittles, pucker up and hope the virus won't' kill you, your bar GFs, friends, family, children.

[WombatEd2]

Whether to believe what pretty much all the doctors, scientists, and health officials are telling me, or to believe what some self-appointed pundit on a monger website is telling me. (No, I'm not talking about you; I'm talking about that OTHER self-appointed pundit!) (grin).

Given that my life, and the lives of those I care about, are on the line, I'm going to err on the side of caution.

Wearing a mask may not exactly be the "silver bullet". But I have every reason to believe that it's a good bit safer than NOT wearing one.

[Dcrist0527]

I don't think science is for you.

LOL Because I don't agree that the molecular size of Covid doesn't equate to "spray paint fumes"?

Or because I look at facts. Sweden deaths have outperformed most nations, without implementing mask mandates. That's just a fact.

As a nation, case counts were the highest when mask compliance was at its peak.

But don't take my word for it. Let's see what God's gift to science has to say about it:

"wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is."

Perhaps science isn't for Lord Fauci either?

[Jackie888]

Really you are trying to compare the mask for spray painting droplets to the droplets of this virus? So basically you are just going to wear a mask for the rest of your life because you are paranoid about getting sick? So I guess if I have a peanut allergy I just need to let the while work know not to eat nuts around me and they must do as I wish. I have no responsibility for protecting my life at all. That's a great way to go thru life.

I'm afraid that no one will be able to explain it to you. To maximize your survivability, it is best if you host a Covid party while California hospitals are not at full capacity so that you are ensured a hospital bed.

[Jackie888]

Well, how do you explain Sweeden?

Or how do you explain the San Francisco hospital outbreak? If hospital staff, who are, in theory, experts at controlling viral spread, have an outbreak with their PPE availability, a cloth face covering is our answer? Not buying it. Does it help? Of course it does! Would it have stopped Covid? No. No way in hell. Even Lord Fauci admitted as much.

I believe we know very little about this virus, as evidenced by the results. But our experts have to say something, right? Wear a mask! Get vaxxed! But yet on it rages. And I would feel very differently if we didn't have breakthrough cases. But our experts sold us this vaccine as something it is not. If we take the CDC figures as fact, we have at least, and very conservatively, 10% of new cases are breakthrough cases. But again, they tell us most of the breakthrough cases are asymptomatic. Which means we don't have a clue how many carriers are out there because there is no reason for an asymptomatic vaccinated person to be tested.

I realize I sound like a conspiracy theorist. But damn, our leaders have been wrong at every turn. We're no closer to a solution yet we still hang on their every word? No thank you.

I don't think science is for you.

[Dcrist0527]

Masks don't work? Untrue.

You know that the only protection doctors and nurses have are vaccination and a mask right? No Hollywood bio-hazard suits. Just plain vanilla vaccination and a mask. In surgery, they wear a mask too. When I spray paint, I wear a mask so that I don't suck the droplets into my lungs. I also spoke to 2 physicians that are die hart Trump supporters. They told me the same thing. Had everyone wore masks, we could have stopped the Covid.

If people really care about this great country, or saving American businesses, they'd stop being a fucking pussie and wear the goddam masks and stop bitching and crying that their fucking rights are violated by private business trying to protect their livelihood.

Well, how do you explain Sweeden?

Or how do you explain the San Francisco hospital outbreak? If hospital staff, who are, in theory, experts at controlling viral spread, have an outbreak with their PPE availability, a cloth face covering is our answer? Not buying it. Does it help? Of course it does! Would it have stopped Covid? No. No way in hell. Even Lord Fauci admitted as much.

I believe we know very little about this virus, as evidenced by the results. But our experts have to say something, right? Wear a mask! Get vaxxed! But yet on it rages. And I would feel very differently if we didn't have breakthrough cases. But our experts sold us this vaccine as something it is not. If we take the CDC figures as fact, we have at least, and very conservatively, 10% of new cases are breakthrough cases. But again, they tell us most of the breakthrough cases are asymptomatic. Which means we don't have a clue how many carriers are out there because there is no reason for an asymptomatic vaccinated person to be tested.

I realize I sound like a conspiracy theorist. But damn, our leaders have been wrong at every turn. We're no closer to a solution yet we still hang on their every word? No thank you.

[Sol12]

Masks don't work? Untrue.

You know that the only protection doctors and nurses have are vaccination and a mask right? No Hollywood bio-hazard suits. Just plain vanilla vaccination and a mask. In surgery, they wear a mask too. When I spray paint, I wear a mask so that I don't suck the droplets into my lungs. I also spoke to 2 physicians that are die hart Trump supporters. They told me the same thing. Had everyone wore masks, we could have stopped the Covid.

If people really care about this great country, or saving American businesses, they'd stop being a fucking pussie and wear the goddam masks and stop bitching and crying that their fucking rights are violated by private business trying to protect their livelihood.

Really you are trying to compare the mask for spray painting droplets to the droplets of this virus? So basically you are just going to wear a mask for the rest of your life because you are paranoid about getting sick? So I guess if I have a peanut allergy I just need to let the while work know not to eat nuts around me and they must do as I wish. I have no responsibility for protecting my life at all. That's a great way to go thru life. [Deleted by Admin]

[Jackie888]

Yep, I feel the sane. If masked worked nobody in Europe or Mexico would have the Virus. They might help a little, but not much. I am getting my second Vaccine only because you will not be able to travel without it.

I have made a decision to live my life. I stopped watching the news after the election and I am much happier. They are slowly destroying are great country, it is so sad. Nobody ever talks about the devastating financial consequences if we shut down again and believe me they are trying to lock us down again. Thank God I am in Texas.

Masks don't work? Untrue.

You know that the only protection doctors and nurses have are vaccination and a mask right? No Hollywood bio-hazard suits. Just plain vanilla vaccination and a mask. In surgery, they wear a mask too. When I spray paint, I wear a mask so that I don't suck the droplets into my lungs. I also spoke to 2 physicians that are die hart Trump supporters. They told me the same thing. Had everyone wore masks, we could have stopped the Covid.

If people really care about this great country, or saving American businesses, they'd stop being a fucking pussie and wear the goddam masks and stop bitching and crying that their fucking rights are violated by private business trying to protect their livelihood.

[DramaFree11]

Breakthrough cases are a real thing, for sure.

What I don't understand anymore is why do we continue to follow advice from people that have been consistently wrong. Granted, this is unprecedented. However, think about what we've been told.

Masks are pointless. No, wait. Masks work: well, everywhere I went last year, mask compliance was really good at the height of new infections.

Vaccines work: Well, clearly we know now that they don't last. Back to masks even for vaccinated.

We're only at risk indoors: many of these outbreaks are from outdoor events. See p-town outbreak.

Shut down the schools. Open them because it doesn't infect children as much. Just kidding, now we might be closing them again.

Covid's bad. The lambda variant is worse. The gamma variant is worse. Now Delta is worse. And just because we have to up the fear mongering, today I learn about 'delta plus'.

It is endless fear mongering. Our president and governors are on TV telling us "you will die". What scares me is how do you escalate from there? Hold tight, we'll find out. They have found how powerful fear is. And that's not to say this virus is a joke. But I am done listening to these so called experts that, 2 years later, are still at square 1. And that's why I'm heading to the zona and what happens, happens.

Yep, I feel the sane. If masked worked nobody in Europe or Mexico would have the Virus. They might help a little, but not much. I am getting my second Vaccine only because you will not be able to travel without it.

I have made a decision to live my life. I stopped watching the news after the election and I am much happier. They are slowly destroying are great country, it is so sad. Nobody ever talks about the devastating financial consequences if we shut down again and believe me they are trying to lock us down again. Thank God I am in Texas.