Crime, Safety, and the Police

[DonCarlos1234]

Cartels, likely CJNG, started attacking civilians, burning cars, blocking roads, holding Tijuana and other border cities hostage. They demand the government release their leaders, presumably El Mencho's wife. They imposed curfew and are holding the entire cities hostage.

Tijuana's mayor was desperate, pleading with cartels to collect debts among themselves and leave civilians alone. But the debts are now with the government for arresting their leaders.

In official news, 3,000 Army and Guardia Nationale troops were sent to Tijuana to reinforce 2,000 troops and policias already in place. It's a massive mobilization with troops, heavy armament, armored vehicles ect for a full-scale war, enough to completely obliterate the entire city. But the cartel is fighting an asymmetric, guerrilla war, burning cars, blocking roads, intimidating the population. Not sure regular troops can catch or kill any cartel members and its leaders. They are unlikely to hide in Tijuana.

War will kill a lot of people and destroy lots of properties. Good investigative and undercover policias work may be more effective. Looks like Mexico knows who and where cartels' leaders are, how they produce drugs and hide their money. The government just have to be serious about doing the right things to enforce the laws.

I consider MX my 2nd home. I love it, the people. The beaches. A lot of things (too many gringos however) In spite of many incidents I continue to visit. LEGALISING drugs and giving licenses to sell drugs legitimately to cartel members and people in prison will end all this. Try it in one city first. LOL More tax revenue! That government officials can steal the tax revenues like they already do and the MX people can live peaceably. I hate admitting this but the danger does add to the allure of MX. And keeps prices down. If this keeps up a lot of the new SoCal settlers will leave.

[Phordphan]

The Saudis and Red Chinese have chosen to punish the criminals instead of letting the criminals form massive gangs and rule the roost and victimize the innocent public, as in Mexico. If the criminals are afraid of being punished, so much the better if it saves an innocent person from being attacked. The recidivism rate of criminals is approximately zero in Saudi Arabia and China. Hard to commit more crimes if you have been executed. Mexico could not go wrong with putting Duterte or Alberto Fujimori in charge. No hugs for criminals from these strong leaders with a proven track record of getting criminals and terrorists under control in order to protect the public.

You're probably right, but there is no "non-corrupt" institution in Mexico that could be an effective incorruptible dictator. The politicians mostly "rule" with the permission of the cartels. The various police departments are equally corrupt. I'm not sure the military is beyond corruption.

But, for the sake of argument, let's say we could install a Pinochet. He couldn't personally do all the dirty work, he'd need some form of muscle. Could he raise, equip, train, etc. , such a force? Would it be effective against the cartels with their practically unlimited budget and tacit assistance from the USA and probably other Western countries? I refuse to believe that there isn't a ton of American government employees on the cartels' payroll, to one degree of another. And imagine the problems Uncle Sam would have if our Pinochet were successful. Loads and loads of American drug users, both street addicts and upscale recreational, would be deprived. I suspect this would result in panic in the streets. The appetite for drugs in this country is so strong, I suspect we'd be knocking on Mexico's door begging them to reinstate at least one or two cartels.

But what do I know?

[Phordphan]

Hitler's methods were similarly efficient.

Congrats, Ed. You win the Reductio ad Hitlerum award for playing the Nazi card the quickest.

[TjBrazil]

During the days of Expo Eeotica. Worked a booth there for Screaming O. All the clubs, many resorts and adult products were there. Hjktj was there. She met a cartel member. Liked the "danger" aspect, deluded into hanging out with them. Now dead. Was not the only girl who danced with the devil. A lot of them do. They like the drugs & the $.

I remember many years ago a girl in Chicago club told me her friend was killed by the cartel. They offered her 1000 to come to their house. She didn't think anything would happen since they were rich. They had sex with her all night and then slashed her throat when they were done. We need to build 2 walls around the border to keep these savages out.

[Travv]

The Saudis and Red Chinese have chosen to punish the criminals instead of letting the criminals form massive gangs and rule the roost and victimize the innocent public, as in Mexico. If the criminals are afraid of being punished, so much the better if it saves an innocent person from being attacked. The recidivism rate of criminals is approximately zero in Saudi Arabia and China. Hard to commit more crimes if you have been executed. Mexico could not go wrong with putting Duterte or Alberto Fujimori in charge. No hugs for criminals from these strong leaders with a proven track record of getting criminals and terrorists under control in order to protect the public.

Hitler's methods were similarly efficient.

[WombatEd2]

I somehow have difficulty imaging the Saudis or Red Chinese not solving the crime problem in Mexico within a year or two. Heard the Chinese method of executing criminals in ambulance vans then the police selling their kidneys for $60,000 motivates the police and politicians to clean up the streets from criminals to get their share of the cash. All the Saudis would need is a public park in every city and a headsman with a sword. . . Guessing his arm would be getting really tired in some cities in Mexico. Dawn to dusk executions. Not much crime in Saudi Arabia I've heard. Chinese crime fighting methods would make the Mexican police and politicians rich quick from harvesting body parts from criminals for sale.

Hitler's methods were similarly efficient.

[Captain Solo]

Cartels, likely CJNG, started attacking civilians, burning cars, blocking roads, holding Tijuana and other border cities hostage. They demand the government release their leaders, presumably El Mencho's wife. They imposed curfew and are holding the entire cities hostage.

Tijuana's mayor was desperate, pleading with cartels to collect debts among themselves and leave civilians alone. But the debts are now with the government for arresting their leaders.

In official news, 3,000 Army and Guardia Nationale troops were sent to Tijuana to reinforce 2,000 troops and policias already in place. It's a massive mobilization with troops, heavy armament, armored vehicles ect for a full-scale war, enough to completely obliterate the entire city. But the cartel is fighting an asymmetric, guerrilla war, burning cars, blocking roads, intimidating the population. Not sure regular troops can catch or kill any cartel members and its leaders. They are unlikely to hide in Tijuana.

War will kill a lot of people and destroy lots of properties. Good investigative and undercover policias work may be more effective. Looks like Mexico knows who and where cartels' leaders are, how they produce drugs and hide their money. The government just have to be serious about doing the right things to enforce the laws.

[Travv]

I somehow have difficulty imaging the Saudis or Red Chinese not solving the crime problem in Mexico within a year or two. Heard the Chinese method of executing criminals in ambulance vans then the police selling their kidneys for $60,000 motivates the police and politicians to clean up the streets from criminals to get their share of the cash. All the Saudis would need is a public park in every city and a headsman with a sword. . . Guessing his arm would be getting really tired in some cities in Mexico. Dawn to dusk executions. Not much crime in Saudi Arabia I've heard. Chinese crime fighting methods would make the Mexican police and politicians rich quick from harvesting body parts from criminals for sale.

Don Carlos,

You probably know more the most evil crimes in Mexico that most mongers don't.

A few years back, Tijuana papers ran pictures of a girl raped, her vagina mutilated and cut wide open in a big pool of blood on Rosarito beach.

There are lots of violence and savageries in Mexico. Not sure there are any quick, easy fixes.

[Captain Solo]

Don Carlos,

You probably know more the most evil crimes in Mexico that most mongers don't.

A few years back, Tijuana papers ran pictures of a girl raped, her vagina mutilated and cut wide open in a big pool of blood on Rosarito beach.

There are lots of violence and savageries in Mexico. Not sure there are any quick, easy fixes.

[Jackie888]

I hear that Tijuana security was just reinforced by a battalion of airborne or special forces. That's a lot for short notice, so maybe only 1 or 2 conpanies?

[DonCarlos1234]

Curious who these models were. Could you elaborate on what happened?

During the days of Expo Eeotica. Worked a booth there for Screaming O. All the clubs, many resorts and adult products were there. Hjktj was there. She met a cartel member. Liked the "danger" aspect, deluded into hanging out with them. Now dead. Was not the only girl who danced with the devil. A lot of them do. They like the drugs & the $.

[Sol12]

I don't have any girlfriends down in Tijuana and definitely no hooker ones. But hey enjoy, in the military I was armed and down there you can even carry a knife. You go be a tough guy Rambo with the cartels and I will chill out up in the USA with my gun collection. If the Cartels try to do shit up here most residents are armed an ready to defend ourselves. Have a nice day.

It was a hypothetical question and being that you were previously married to a girl in Tijuana I would imagine back in a time that you were in love if she called you and was scared that you would do your best to go be by her side.

I'm definitely not trying to pretend to be some tough guy but I get irritated by people trying to control me. Where does it stop? It goes back to nature and are fight or flight instincts. Another example I would give is after 9/11 I'm sure those in New York had some hesitation to go back to normal but had that happened then the terrorists would have really won. So some went back to doing the things as normal and others followed because most people just follow what others do. So if all of Tijuana or Mexico in general doesn't stand up to the Cartels they will take over more. I remember reading a story that in Michoacán that some regular citizens have joined together to fight back against the Cartels. Now in that part of Mexico the Cartels are much more powerful, so who knows how successful they will be but at least they aren't slaves to the Cartels.

[Sol12]

Spot on! But clearly to some, you either kneel at the altar of fear or you are a "denier." That's not a criticism of anyone in particular. It's more a commentary on the power of fear. And again, speaking generally, I find it interesting how fear permeates certain aspects of our monger culture. Long before Covid, going to Hong Kong had its own health risks. Most overlook the real STD risk when sleeping with working girls in a Mexican border town. Even the safest monger had to accept or overlook the risks. The difference now, at the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, is our media.

Tijuana has a reputation, rightfully so. But the fear does not match reality. In the last decade, how many innocent gringos were mowed down in the streets? It happens and awareness and information are vital. Likewise, how many mongers keeled over after catching Covid from a dancer? It's probably happened. But I can confirm there were 100 or so guys in the speakeasies nightly throughout the height of Covid. But the media makes us feel like the risk is FAR more than reality would prove.

Again, I'm not criticizing anyone's risk appetite. I'll be the first to admit that my risk tolerance is probably too high. But I am shocked by some of the opposite end of the spectrum when the nature of our monger culture is already very risky, even for the safest activities. But what does get me irate is how we allow the media to lead people around with their fear mongering..

I always thought of those that spent much time in Tijuana knew how over dramatic the medias makes it out to be and those with real knowledge of how it is know it is all hype. So like you it confused me that they don't use this same logic when they see other things that the media talks about.

[MadMan19]

The news love to exaggerate and make things sound worse than they actually are. Friday night, 5 taxis got burned blocking traffic; that's it, nothing else happened, no people killed, no broken heads, or anything violent against citizens.

By Saturday we were doing business as usual and the border is always open, 7/24, rain or shine.

This from a helpful person at cumintj.com this morning.

[Travv]

Tijuana (Border Report) Two journalists south of the border uncovered a shocking trend while investigating the homeless and fentanyl use: Drug cartels are widely producing fentanyl in the nooks and drains within the Tijuana River canal just south of the border, and the homeless are being used as human Guinea pigs to test the drug's potency, which has left many taking part in these experiments dead.

Journalist Manuel Ayala and photographer Joebeth Terriquez witnessed distributors driving up and giving away fentanyl to the homeless people along the banks of the canal.

The drug is a synthetic pain killer said to be 50 to 100 times stronger than morphine. When mixed with heroin, as most of the homeless do according to Ayala, it is said to induce a very powerful high. . .

Comment: Makes sense. You don't want to kill your paying customers with bad fentanyl so you give away free samples to homeless druggies to check. . .

Suggest any readers here not pose as homeless druggies in order to get free fentanyl injections. This should go without saying, but there's always someone trying to score freebies!