Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Dogers69]

The Sinaloa Cartel doesn't run Tijuana especially for the last 30 years. Most of the top Tijuana Cartel leaders were killed or arrested from about 2002 to 2008. So that's only 20 years ago at best when the Tijuana Cartel started to weaken but the 2008 date is more in line when they were truly hurt. I was living in Tijuana at that time. The Cartel may not be what it once was but they still control many parts of Tijuana and the trafficking areas.

You have no proof on who has been killing dealers and even less proof on who killed HK employee and the reason for his death. You also mentioned a few key workers, the only one I remember being killed by a sicario was Augustine.

I have no idea what you are talking about with you talking to the female guards at HK? You don't speak Spanish.

So you think the only way in and out of HK is from and back entrance?

I don't know in depth cartel business, but anyone that takes action in hk would be in deep shot because it would involve men from USA, Canada, and 2 dozen other countries. It would be bad for business. Bad for the weak borders they currently have and don't want to risk. But I'd still be worried. At least I say that now 2000 miles away. Once I'm in Tijuana I forget about all my problems in life and just walk around looking at everyone and forgetting that I could get unalived at any moment.

[SenorTJ]

Several shootings have happened across from HK. The pushers are doing open outcry right next to HK. The cops and national guard and army are just for show.

I am talking about the 2 block area around the Hong Kong. There is Mexican law enforcement everywhere.

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[Sol12]

They just tried to kill the owner of Hong Kong Club!

First off it was one of the owners and if some Cartel was really trying to kill that person they wouldn't of sent only 2 sicarios with just hand guns. This attack could of been one of many things, maybe some low grade Cartel members trying to make names for themselves, or maybe some low grade kidnapers who often work separately from the Cartels. Or just some stupid thieves thinking they could make money stealing from this house.

If you look at a majority of the killings that involve the Cartels they usually will make the killing while the person is in their vehicle. They just had one in the Plaza Rio mall a few days ago and they even found a GPS device on the car so whoever killed him had been tracking him for some time and chose the best time to make the kill. Also the Cartels like to send messages to threaten those that they are after like what happened to the one that got killed near Ensenada.

If for some reason they wanted to send a message it wouldn't be HK but one of the smaller bars that they would go after. So if you are scared to go visit HK that's on you but to me nothing has changed as far as the risk you take stepping into that bar.

[Scbb1]

It may have been in an area on the travel warning list, there are 2 chances of that happening in the Tijuana red light district, slim and none.

You just undercut your own line of reasoning with your own example! Some tourists in Mexico were killed and the "Robin Hoods" turned them in. But some tourists were still killed before the crooks did the "honorable" thing. Right? So, what makes you think that same kind of killing can't and won't happen again? It can, and it will. And you don't want to be one of those tourists in the wrong place at the wrong time. Stay out of the wrong places? They were vacationing tourists for Christ's sake! What else were they supposed to do? I think we all appreciate your advice not to overreact, but some caution is in order as the situation is heating up and hotter than it was before. They just tried to kill the owner of Hong Kong Club! So what if somebody decides to retaliate (likely at some point). One thing leads to another and some tourists are killed (again). And it's all better of the crooks turn the perpetrators in? Tell that the families of the slain.

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[The Cane]

Just like when some tourists in Mexico were killed in a cross fire the cartels turned over the perpetrators to LE.

You just undercut your own line of reasoning with your own example! Some tourists in Mexico were killed and the "Robin Hoods" turned them in. But some tourists were still killed before the crooks did the "honorable" thing. Right? So, what makes you think that same kind of killing can't and won't happen again? It can, and it will. And you don't want to be one of those tourists in the wrong place at the wrong time. Stay out of the wrong places? They were vacationing tourists for Christ's sake! What else were they supposed to do? I think we all appreciate your advice not to overreact, but some caution is in order as the situation is heating up and hotter than it was before. They just tried to kill the owner of Hong Kong Club! So what if somebody decides to retaliate (likely at some point). One thing leads to another and some tourists are killed (again). And it's all better of the crooks turn the perpetrators in? Tell that the families of the slain.

[Scbb1]

We know what they are capable of, We also know they are organized crime, like the mafia have a Robin Hood image. Just like when some tourists in Mexico were killed in a cross fire the cartels turned over the perpetrators to LE. It would be like ³the mob killing people in speak easy's during prohibition.

How do we know what the Cartels are capable or not capable of doing? I believe at any time if they aren't getting what they want, they could easily retaliate and not care what the repercussions are. I am not saying they are going to go into a club like HK and start "hosing" people down in gun fire but you never know. They are extremely dangerous people if you threaten their activities and that has been proven. All I am saying is be vigilant and be aware of your surroundings if you go down to Tijuana but that goes for anywhere.

[Scbb1]

I am talking about the 2 block area around the Hong Kong. There is Mexican law enforcement everywhere.

What do you mean? It's happened several times. It's happened right in front of me. Grey SUV drove slowly through callejon, fired 6 shots around Eduardo, hit a handful people, aiming for cuantos guy but also hit at least one paradita.

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[Sol12]

SInaloa cartel has been controlling the Tijuana Plaze for over 30 years, after the Arellano brothers were killed, arrested and the Tijuana cartel was disbanded.

A new cartel, likely CJNG, has been trying to muscle in for a couple years. They shot many street dealers and squeeze all businesses, the best were lucrative putas bars rolling in lots of cash from mongers every night. HK and other bars have been harassed and shaken down to pay the new protection. A few key workers have been murdered, but looks like HK resisted, hiring armed commercial guards starting about March.

I talked to the woman guard and her partner carrying their shiny Glocks. Looks like her partner was killed in front of Brizuela's home on July 11. They are no match for a bunch of sicarios with AK-47's, rolling up in cars, spraying the doors with bullets. Guards and meseros would be quickly killed or would run away. Sicarios then jam both front and back door, pour gasoline around the building and light a match.

I hate to be in HK with 500 guys and girls stampeding in the burning and smoking with no way out.

The Sinaloa Cartel doesn't run Tijuana especially for the last 30 years. Most of the top Tijuana Cartel leaders were killed or arrested from about 2002 to 2008. So that's only 20 years ago at best when the Tijuana Cartel started to weaken but the 2008 date is more in line when they were truly hurt. I was living in Tijuana at that time. The Cartel may not be what it once was but they still control many parts of Tijuana and the trafficking areas.

You have no proof on who has been killing dealers and even less proof on who killed HK employee and the reason for his death. You also mentioned a few key workers, the only one I remember being killed by a sicario was Augustine.

I have no idea what you are talking about with you talking to the female guards at HK? You don't speak Spanish.

So you think the only way in and out of HK is from and back entrance?

[Captain Solo]

If HK's owners keep resisting paying, the cartel will step up pressure, kidnapping women and children, whacking key employees, may be holding up, robbing the bar and all clients of cash.

If that still doesn't work, they will finally destroy the business to warn others.

That happened to Casino Royale in Monterrey. 52 died in the fire.

[SenorTJ]

Thats not going to happen in the Tijuana red light district.

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What do you mean? It's happened several times. It's happened right in front of me. Grey SUV drove slowly through callejon, fired 6 shots around Eduardo, hit a handful people, aiming for cuantos guy but also hit at least one paradita.

[Scbb1]

Thats not going to happen in the Tijuana red light district.

That sounds logical.

But then how do you explain all the drive-bys in the callejon?

Wouldn't it make more sense to stalk the cuantos guys and hunt them down elsewhere?

Instead they fire at will in a dense area and bystanders have been hit.

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[SenorTJ]

Then stay out of wrong places, the cartels are not going to target tourist areas, especially ones they desire to control.

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That sounds logical.

But then how do you explain all the drive-bys in the callejon?

Wouldn't it make more sense to stalk the cuantos guys and hunt them down elsewhere?

Instead they fire at will in a dense area and bystanders have been hit.

[Jackie888]

I am actually a little surprise everyone is concern about reported shootings now, because it's sort of the norm for years in the zona norte. The last time that waiter got popped and they dragged his body out to the sidewalk and I saw him bled to death, it didn't even make the papers the next day. Mexico is not dangerous per se. But Tijuana is kinda like the boonies. And no one gives a shit about the zona norte.

[SeaBeeJoe]

Dude, all you've got to be is in the wrong place at the wrong time! That's all it takes. No piece of ass is worth getting caught up in the violence to me, and Tijuana was never my main draw anyway. Not even close, so not missing anything anyway by not going as far as I'm concerned. I say again. Be safe out there bros!

People will think what they want, but I agree with Cane. If you have to get some sex then be vigilant and be aware of your surroundings. You never know when the Cartel will plan a violent act to make a point even in a club like HK. You would have to be an idiot not to think they are not capable of such an act of violence if their goals are not being met aka "money".

[SeaBeeJoe]

I had an uncle in the Italian mafia.
They would shake down strip joints and massage parlors in NY all the time. They would never initiate any violence near or in public view of the establishments. It's not good for business. The cartels are a comparable organization with similar guidelines.

How do we know what the Cartels are capable or not capable of doing? I believe at any time if they aren't getting what they want, they could easily retaliate and not care what the repercussions are. I am not saying they are going to go into a club like HK and start "hosing" people down in gun fire but you never know. They are extremely dangerous people if you threaten their activities and that has been proven. All I am saying is be vigilant and be aware of your surroundings if you go down to Tijuana but that goes for anywhere.