Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Captain Solo]

Goyo,

Your friend was already boring a tunnel inside her coochie.

How much more inside did he want?

[Phordphan]

I find that Mexican women less sensitive to age differences than the average American or even Latina-American woman. I'm sure it is a factor, but I find that Mexican women aren't trying to fulfill their perfect fantasy. I am sure that there are plenty of Mexican princess types from wealthy families. But luckily we don't run into those very often.

Get out to Cabanna on a weekend, or Mala Noche No, or a dozen other joints where the fresas hang out. Oh, yes, there are shitloads of princesses who most likely wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

The girls from more modest backgrounds tend to overlook significant age differences.

[Phordphan]

We all have our perceptions but I see HK as the opposite. HK would not be the best club in possibly all of North and South America by not caring about their customers. The comment about caring about the customers outside of HK. That's really not their jurisdiction so not sure what the exceptions are? I never felt like they are squeezing every dime out of me. I literally can order a water for $4 and suck on it for an hour and I don't think they would give a shit. Once in a while one of the waiters may bug me but in a nice non-pushy way.

When I say no to buying a lap dance. They are OK with that. They don't push it.

I can't believe I can live in SD and just cross the board for this wonderful play land. And I don't mind spending a little money down there. I am over 40 years old and if left by the laws of nature. I would Never be able to touch one of those beautiful girls let alone joke around with them and enjoy their company.

Goyo.

If you like the place, it's your money. Spend it how you wish and enjoy doing so. But I will point out that a company who cares about their customers also cares about their employees. HK does neither.

In HK the meseros must pay to work there. So, at the beginning of a shift they are already in the hole. Now they have to earn enough in tips, and from stealing / shortchanging / whatever to break even, and then make a profit. HK makes that even more difficult by hiring a shitload of meseros. Why? HK makes more money that way. They don't give a shit if a mesero makes money or not. If not, there's another deportee behind him. If the mesero rips off a customer, they don't care as long as he doesn't get caught. Does this sound like a great company? Do you really think a mesero in this position cares much about his customers? Do you think a bar with this sort of business practice cares about clientele?

HK (technically a different owner, same family) charges almost $20 for 30 minutes in a marginal room, almost double that for an hour. This isn't squeezing every dime? Yes, you can get a discount on a room for the night. But there is method in their madness. You're then pretty much committed to HK for the duration of your visit, or perhaps to the alley.

The a-hole doorman demands $1 for a robe in order for the girls to walk 5 feet. That's just bullshit nickel-and-dime stuff, hardly good customer service.

Fichas are what, $9? They used to be $6 and the girls got like 30 pesos, which was around $3. Today they're up to $9, the girl gets something like 34 pesos, which equates to less than $2. The girls do all the work hustling the beers (which the bar gets for free according to one HK bartender) and they get shit on each time one is sold. Yep, that's a company that cares about their employees. And that attitude trickles down.

Tijuana has no shortage of hostess bars. IMO the ones that don't cater to gringos offer a better overall experience.

[Goyo61]

Interesting. I didn't realize Mexican women were less sensitive about age. The more I learn about the culture. The more I really love the people. When I was in Japan for work I knew a guy from the US who moved to Japan for over 10 years and has had a Japanese girlfriend. He said Japanese are nice to him but he will always be an outsider. Not sure exactly what that means but not sure if it's like that in Mexico as well.

Goyo.

I find that Mexican women less sensitive to age differences than the average American or even Latina-American woman. I'm sure it is a factor, but I find that Mexican women aren't trying to fulfill their perfect fantasy. I am sure that there are plenty of Mexican princess types from wealthy families. But luckily we don't run into those very often.

[Jackie888]

Goyo, don't sell your self short. Being over 40 doesn't make it impossible to get a cute girlfriend in tijuana. Yeah San Diego is a sausage fest. Every bar or coffee place is full of men. But Tijuana woman will date a older guy if you fit one of their needs. Good job, or look good, etc.

I find that Mexican women less sensitive to age differences than the average American or even Latina-American woman. I'm sure it is a factor, but I find that Mexican women aren't trying to fulfill their perfect fantasy. I am sure that there are plenty of Mexican princess types from wealthy families. But luckily we don't run into those very often.

[Dogers69]

We all have our perceptions but I see HK as the opposite. HK would not be the best club in possibly all of North and South America by not caring about their customers. The comment about caring about the customers outside of HK. That's really not their jurisdiction so not sure what the exceptions are? I never felt like they are squeezing every dime out of me. I literally can order a water for $4 and suck on it for an hour and I don't think they would give a shit. Once in a while one of the waiters may bug me but in a nice non-pushy way.

When I say no to buying a lap dance. They are OK with that. They don't push it.

I can't believe I can live in SD and just cross the board for this wonderful play land. And I don't mind spending a little money down there. I am over 40 years old and if left by the laws of nature. I would Never be able to touch one of those beautiful girls let alone joke around with them and enjoy their company.

Goyo.

Goyo, don't sell your self short. Being over 40 doesn't make it impossible to get a cute girlfriend in tijuana. Yeah San Diego is a sausage fest. Every bar or coffee place is full of men. But Tijuana woman will date a older guy if you fit one of their needs. Good job, or look good, etc.

[Captain Solo]

Travv,

A supplier, a big shot in Dallas' industry and a big spender in strip joints, took me and a couple of his employees to the Baby Dolls strip club one night. We were sitting on a couch set away from the main stage, talking, drinking expensive Cognacs. A spinner came by, looked like a tan Mexican sweetheart, asked me if I wanted lap dances to which I declined. She went to one of the employees, started non-contact dancing in front of him and continued dancing for a long time. The poor guy knew shit about how clip joints work; the host was too drunk to notice. I thought the girl would bill them for many songs but I assumed the host had arrangements with the club and did not want to offend him.

When we were ready to leave, they gave the host a bill for over $6,000 for all those dances she did in front of the guy. The host was a frequent customer at the club, entertaining his clients frequently, but when he balked, 4 tall, beefy guys surrounded us menacingly. After a long, heated argument with the manager, the host had to pay for half of the lap dances. He was a nice guy, always indulging his clients and workers, but I would act more assertively, making sure I know the cost of everything before I buy anything.

A wingman, who speaks perfect Mandarin, was lured by pretty Chinese girls into bars and tea shops twice, in Beijing and Shanghai, despite reading and knowing about the the Chinese tea house tricks. When he found out sex was not in the card and got ready to leave, he was presented with bills for about $20 K with a couple muscular guys threatening him. He had to put the charges on his American Express card but later contested and got the charges reversed. This was the case where the dick overrode the brain, not once but twice.

A few years back before the crack down, I went to KTVs in China many times, ShenZhen, ChongPing, Beijing, Shanghai, where girls usually went with clients to the hotel for all night sex. All prices in China's KTVs sex venues were clear; no hidden charges were ever attempted. But I got extorted and threatened a few times in Karaoke bars in Indonesia and Vietnam and had to pay partial bills to avoid wasting time.

Compared to rip off sexy joints in the rest of the world, Hong Kong is cheap, fair, safe, professional, entertaining with an excellent selection of hundreds hot girls every night, non stop entertainment with strip dances and lesbian shows, and warm companies of sweet, young girls, all for a lot less money. Guys keep packing into HK every night for good reasons. It was funny to see lots of guys taking selfies with the Hong Kong front door like it was a real Unesco's World Heritage site hehe.

[Goyo61]

We all have our perceptions but I see HK as the opposite. HK would not be the best club in possibly all of North and South America by not caring about their customers. The comment about caring about the customers outside of HK. That's really not their jurisdiction so not sure what the exceptions are? I never felt like they are squeezing every dime out of me. I literally can order a water for $4 and suck on it for an hour and I don't think they would give a shit. Once in a while one of the waiters may bug me but in a nice non-pushy way.

When I say no to buying a lap dance. They are OK with that. They don't push it.

I can't believe I can live in SD and just cross the board for this wonderful play land. And I don't mind spending a little money down there. I am over 40 years old and if left by the laws of nature. I would Never be able to touch one of those beautiful girls let alone joke around with them and enjoy their company.

Goyo.

Makes a lot of sense. Appreciate it your thoughts.

[United1]

Makes a lot of sense. Appreciate it your thoughts.

First, for whatever reason, red light districts the world over tend to attract some really shitty people. That's a given.

Zona Norte is high crime for many good reasons. Damn near every deportee who gets out of a CA jail and is sent across the border at Tijuana winds up in the ZN. Some get jobs as meseros or barkers, others commit crime. Another part is the drugs. Not only do loads of stupid gringos show up looking to score, a very high percentage of the girls use drugs, too. Most of the cartel turf battles in Tijuana these days center around the "right" to sell drugs to the locals. Another part is that the ZN is chock full of gringos with pockets full of dollars. Ripe targets for ripoffs, clip joints (like HK) and even robbers. So, take your pick. It's a high crime area for a number of reasons.

I don't know if anybody has seriously suggested that the owners of HK / TB / MQ are mafia. But I understand they have reached an "accommodation" with the cartels and drugs are sold more or less openly in HK, as well as other bars.

HK management could not give a shit how customers are treated outside of the club. They don't give a shit how they're treated inside the club, why would the care once you leave? They are there to squeeze every dime out of you (and everybody else, not just gringos) that they can. If you don't like it, there are a gazillion other horned-up gringos behind you just begging for them to take their money..

[DramaFree11]

A clip joint / rip off joint is a place that doesn't offer full service. Like the clubs and bars in the US. I once went to sapphire in Vegas. $50 cover charges, $18 for a beer, $300-1000 VIP options with bad service. And I've never seen them but I've heard of hostess clubs. Where you pay hundreds for an Asian girl to sit next to you and do nothing. Those are clip joints. You can get full service anytime you want at HK. You can also touch the girls, grope them, kiss them, get their phone number. You can get your own room and invite whatever girl you want up there. Calling it a clip joint is ridiculous.

Just makes no sense to me, how guys can keep complaining. I have been all over the world, minus Asia and nothing comes close to HK.

[LuvMexicanas]

A clip joint / rip off joint is a place that doesn't offer full service. Like the clubs and bars in the US. I once went to sapphire in Vegas. $50 cover charges, $18 for a beer, $300-1000 VIP options with bad service. And I've never seen them but I've heard of hostess clubs. Where you pay hundreds for an Asian girl to sit next to you and do nothing. Those are clip joints. You can get full service anytime you want at HK. You can also touch the girls, grope them, kiss them, get their phone number. You can get your own room and invite whatever girl you want up there. Calling it a clip joint is ridiculous.

Oh man. Where do I even start. I don't have the bandwidth to write the thesis that this topic warrants, but high level: these vary by nationality, class or level, and whether it is located in the States or in the old country. In some, sex is a sure thing and others not. I'll stop there, as ot is somewhat off topic for this thread.

[DramaFree11]

If you compare HK with other clubs, you run a far greater risk of being ripped off in other clubs, particularly ones run by the Russian or Ukrainian mafia. Clubs in Florida run by the Russian mob are notorious for ripping off customers. Heard of a guy charged $40,000 for a few drinks, who then got tackled by security when he found out the bill and tried to leave. Likewise, another tourist in an Ukrainian club was beaten up by bouncers and sent to the hospital when he refused to pay thousands of dollars for a few drinks in Odessa. HK and Mexican clubs post the drink prices on the wall and do not have security beat you up if you do not pay. Always ask to see the drink price list before ordering. Unless you want Boris the Bouncer to give you a massage with his fists when you won't or can't pay $40,000 on your credit card for a 6 pack of beer.

Well said, and they are way more expensive then HK and many scams as well.

[Jackie888]

First, for whatever reason, red light districts the world over tend to attract some really shitty people. That's a given.

Zona Norte is high crime for many good reasons. Damn near every deportee who gets out of a CA jail and is sent across the border at Tijuana winds up in the ZN. Some get jobs as meseros or barkers, others commit crime. Another part is the drugs. Not only do loads of stupid gringos show up looking to score, a very high percentage of the girls use drugs, too. Most of the cartel turf battles in Tijuana these days center around the "right" to sell drugs to the locals. Another part is that the ZN is chock full of gringos with pockets full of dollars. Ripe targets for ripoffs, clip joints (like HK) and even robbers. So, take your pick. It's a high crime area for a number of reasons.

I don't know if anybody has seriously suggested that the owners of HK / TB / MQ are mafia. But I understand they have reached an "accommodation" with the cartels and drugs are sold more or less openly in HK, as well as other bars.

HK management could not give a shit how customers are treated outside of the club. They don't give a shit how they're treated inside the club, why would the care once you leave? They are there to squeeze every dime out of you (and everybody else, not just gringos) that they can. If you don't like it, there are a gazillion other horned-up gringos behind you just begging for them to take their money..

Yep. Pretty accurate.

[Travv]

If you compare HK with other clubs, you run a far greater risk of being ripped off in other clubs, particularly ones run by the Russian or Ukrainian mafia. Clubs in Florida run by the Russian mob are notorious for ripping off customers. Heard of a guy charged $40,000 for a few drinks, who then got tackled by security when he found out the bill and tried to leave. Likewise, another tourist in an Ukrainian club was beaten up by bouncers and sent to the hospital when he refused to pay thousands of dollars for a few drinks in Odessa. HK and Mexican clubs post the drink prices on the wall and do not have security beat you up if you do not pay. Always ask to see the drink price list before ordering. Unless you want Boris the Bouncer to give you a massage with his fists when you won't or can't pay $40,000 on your credit card for a 6 pack of beer.

Sorry, I have to disagree with most of your post. I do not feel that I am ripped off at HK at all, in fact completely the opposite. You guys are always going to find something to complain about.

[ScottHall]

A clip joint / rip off joint is a place that doesn't offer full service. Like the clubs and bars in the US. I once went to sapphire in Vegas. $50 cover charges, $18 for a beer, $300-1000 VIP options with bad service. And I've never seen them but I've heard of hostess clubs. Where you pay hundreds for an Asian girl to sit next to you and do nothing. Those are clip joints. You can get full service anytime you want at HK. You can also touch the girls, grope them, kiss them, get their phone number. You can get your own room and invite whatever girl you want up there. Calling it a clip joint is ridiculous.