Crime, Safety, and the Police

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[Goyo61]

I have only had one issue and it was because I was with a buddy who thought he "knew" Zona Norte but we went into some bar that was not for gringo's. Lesson #1. Great to do stuff with buddies and it's best to go with one, BUT, don't let your buddy compromise your safety. A Cop came in the bar when we were in there and was either scoping us out for some type of heist or something. Very bad vibe and we quickly split the place.

But. I Always go in the afternoon and I am out of Zona Norte before dark. The whole place changes after dark in my opinion. It's just crazier.

Go during the day or at least not after 9 pm and I think your odds are better.

I liked Dogers info about walking around. Same type of thing I have found. Don't spend a lot of time walking around. Make your round. Then don't do it again for a while.

The one thing I miss about Asia. It felt so safe. In comparison to Zona Norte. Probably been down there 20 times by now. So far. No meetups with cops. But I know it's probably just a matter of when and not if.

Goyo.

[Phordphan]

Well when your getting choked out and wake up with no passport phone wallet sweater money a the your skull sliced open and everyone on the street that watched is asking how much money did they get. It the. Becomes real. Gringos stick out. I can go to nyc a 1000 times a the nobody bothers me. I walk with a bag of any sort for 1 minute, I'm eyed as a tourist and the sharks move in. They won't choke you but they got their own money making scams they will pull. So like the other poster said it comes down to what you look like. Gringo or latino, and height.

Was this when you got mugged by a gang of well-dressed, very short, men and women?

[BrotherMouzone]

That's funny you can have such a big difference of issues with the police. I wonder if it has to do with ethnicity, or how well dressed you are. Are you over 60 years old? Wonder if that plays a role? I'm in 40's white Jean's t shirt sneakers no jewelry. The police stopped me alot the 1st 3 years in tijuana but not the last year or two. Out of 100 days in Tijuana, (5 hrs a day) I've been stopped around 4 times for walking. They did not take money from my wallet ever. Then again I only have 30 to 50 in my wallet the rest is in hidden. Pockets or socks.

I guess I've always wondered about this as well. In 20+ trips over 12 years I personally have yet to have a negative experience with Tijuana police. My appearance is early / mid 30's, African-American, clean-cut, athletic, usually dressed very casually (t-shirt and shorts / jeans), though occasionally throw on a nice polo shirt. Wear a watch and earrings but don't dress flashy at all though. Never wear a dress shirt or sports jacket. 20 trips is probably a small sample size but I've yet to receive any kind of look from Tijuana cops. Only experience was a cop sitting on a stool outside of Adelitas as I was walking in politely warning me not to walk around the streets of Tijuana carrying my cellphone the way I was carrying it in my hand as a pickpocket could easily steal it. Have always felt comfortable walking from HK to Chicago Club at anytime. Honestly, haven't spent much time in the alley so can't really comment on that area. Only really go through the alley when I exit HK / Cascadas on that side and am walking around to the front. But no problems with Tijuana cops for me (at least thus far). My thought is this is largely due to me not dressing flashy or otherwise "fitting the profile" of having a lot of money (even though I have a very comfortable six-figure job and often carry several hundred $$$ in pockets when I'm down there) and keeping to myself without causing trouble when I'm down there LOL. Maybe carrying $$$ around like that is foolish but, again, I've never had problems with Tijuana police and I've always felt a lot more comfortable carrying $$$ or even leaving most of my $$$ in my car back in the states than leaving it in my hotel safe / room (most often Cascadas) in Tijuana.

[Kdog]

That's funny you can have such a big difference of issues with the police. I wonder if it has to do with ethnicity, or how well dressed you are. Are you over 60 years old? Wonder if that plays a role? I'm in 40's white Jean's t shirt sneakers no jewelry. The police stopped me alot the 1st 3 years in tijuana but not the last year or two. Out of 100 days in Tijuana, (5 hrs a day) I've been stopped around 4 times for walking. They did not take money from my wallet ever. Then again I only have 30 to 50 in my wallet the rest is in hidden. Pockets or socks.

I'm late 40's usually button down shirt with jeans. Both times I got stopped walking was just South of Chicago Club at the corner on my way to Chicago Club. Other times I was stopped while in the car. The first time I was stopped at the corner one cop took $40, and I saw it, called him out on it, and the other officer told him to give it back. This was the only somewhat positive encounter I've had with the police in Tijuana. The second time I was stopped walking at that corner, they laid my money out after counting it. I asked if they took any and they very angry forced me into their back seat and drove me about 2 miles. Said I was accusing them of stealing and that I was in big trouble. So there I am in the middle of nowhere with two criminals with guns. So I asked what they wanted and they said all of it. They drove me back and dropped me off somewhat near the zone but they clearly didn't want anyone seeing them drop me off. They took every single dollar. Forntunately, I had an ATM card, but they didn't know that. For all they knew, I was walking back to the border at 1:00 am.

One question, should I have ignored their request to stop and just walked quickly into Chicago Club? The thought crossed my mind. I doubt they would go into CC to find me.

[Dogers69]

You must be visiting a different Tijuana or suffer extreme paranoia as I have been there 5 days at time for over 20 trips and have not experienced what you are describing to that degree.

Well when your getting choked out and wake up with no passport phone wallet sweater money a the your skull sliced open and everyone on the street that watched is asking how much money did they get. It the. Becomes real. Gringos stick out. I can go to nyc a 1000 times a the nobody bothers me. I walk with a bag of any sort for 1 minute, I'm eyed as a tourist and the sharks move in. They won't choke you but they got their own money making scams they will pull. So like the other poster said it comes down to what you look like. Gringo or latino, and height.

[Captain Solo]

Got an innocent speed ticket by a CHP out of nowhere over 6 weeks ago. He said he pointed a laser at my car and got the speed. Damn. Still have not received Courtesy Notice form the court. I heard the old judges are spending all their time day and night in beds with their pretty CoVid nurses, so they cannot send out bench warrants. You think under the US Constitution the court will have to let me off the hook?

Drove down with a bro last Friday, approaching Oceanside, keeping decent distance at about 65 MPH, when the pick up jerk in front of me stepped on his brake. I stepped on my brakes but when it looked like I would rear ended him and the pick up truck behind me was closing fast, I quickly drove off onto the emergency lane. The left tires pulled the car up the concrete divider then slammed it down violently a couple times. I thought the car was going to roll over but the suspension was fairly stiff so it did not. The car stopped way ahead of the head of the pick up so I would have hit him hard and get rear ended hard by the guy behind me. Three cars in front of me had hit each other. The guy behind me avoided the collision. The 2 left tires show signs they went up the wall. The alloy wheels were abraided and gouged in places. My tire guys were racers so they said wheels were OK. They can be smoothed out when I replace tires next. Damn pissed off at these careless. Amateur drivers.

Was driving back last Sunday afternoon in medium traffic along Camp Pendleton. I blended in traffic, safely passed a couple cars and got in the car pool lane. About 5 miles down the road a white CHP Crown Victoria, with small antennae stick up its roof like hairs on putas' crotches, sped up, got on the car pool lane and followed me for the next 10 miles. He definitely targeted me and was waiting to bust me. He was illegal in the car pool lane. I just innocently followed a big-ass SUV at about 70 MPH. After a while he peeled off and got off in San Juan Capistrano. Question is, how did CHP detect errant cars on busy freeways? Perhaps a few ex CHP bros can share the secrets.

Tijuana looks very attractive with low cost of living, lots of hot girls, strip bars, good spicy food, no protesters, no violent demos, no looting, no back-shooting cops, no CHP hehe.

[Travv]

Generally your experience in Tijuana will depend on how you look. Do you look small, Asian, a clueless tourist or disabled? Do you like to get or act drunk and walk around? Then the rateros will be noticing you! But if you look like a big mean type or look like you know what you are doing and speak Spanish, then the rateros will leave you alone unless you look drunk. You must assess how the sharks in Tijuana will view you. A tip. Flashing expensive watches or cars or anything else is not a good idea in Tijuana. I've noticed that when I drive a beater car, I rarely get pulled over. But when I drive a nice 4 x 4 jeep, suddenly the cops and others take an interest. If cops pull you over and start asking questions like. How much did you pay for this car? Does it run well? These are not good questions if you do not want to go to jail and have your car confiscated when drugs are planted on you. So if you get attention from the cops or others, watch out. They see what you have and want your stuff. Don't bring stuff they want to Tijuana if you want to keep it safe from theft. Stuff I thought had little value has been stolen from me in Tijuana. You'd be surprised at what the locals will steal from you. Don't bring stuff you care about. RTFF.

Phordphan has a lot of experience. I've been in Azul eating when a drug dealer got shot in the head in the alley and I heard the guns going off. If you hear gunfire, hit the floor. Stay away from drug dealers yelling cuanto, they attract bullets from competing drug cartels. For more info on tourist mistakes in Mexico, google Mexico Vacation Awareness blog.

The problem with going outside of HK is the area is intriguing. You will see people walking up the streets and want to take a look. If you just did the alley and not the side, you would be much safer. But even the alley especially now with the bars closed I'd imagine isn't safe. Even with the bars open, in the alley, your gona have to deal with problems. I've seen fights, wrestling matches with police, naked man tazered by cops, guy punched in head dropped like he was dead, cops stop mongers in the alley, if you ask girls questions they don't like, like BBBJ they scream it out loud to anyone around, random girls walk the alley to get you to their room where you will be jumped or she will just take your money and not deliver any activities, theres drug dealers around, scam artists, slot dudes deported who need your money. Theres so many ways to scew up. If you look american, alone, a the tipsy it's like a bleeding swimmer to a shark. The whole block wants a piece of you. The block is not Mardi gras or a Thailand party street. You can do it, but if you can't brush off strangers, all of them someone will get to you. You need to move fast, do a lap, go. Back inside a the not walk it again for an hour. If people see you repeatedly walking then you get noticed a the targeted especially from the police and guys that want to beg you for money, not the homeless beggar, the guy that makes a living from it and will get pissed if you don't cooperate.

[BangoSkank]

The problem with going outside of HK is the area is intriguing. You will see people walking up the streets and want to take a look. If you just did the alley and not the side, you would be much safer. But even the alley especially now with the bars closed I'd imagine isn't safe. Even with the bars open, in the alley, your gona have to deal with problems. I've seen fights, wrestling matches with police, naked man tazered by cops, guy punched in head dropped like he was dead, cops stop mongers in the alley, if you ask girls questions they don't like, like BBBJ they scream it out loud to anyone around, random girls walk the alley to get you to their room where you will be jumped or she will just take your money and not deliver any activities, theres drug dealers around, scam artists, slot dudes deported who need your money. Theres so many ways to scew up. If you look american, alone, a the tipsy it's like a bleeding swimmer to a shark. The whole block wants a piece of you. The block is not Mardi gras or a Thailand party street. You can do it, but if you can't brush off strangers, all of them someone will get to you. You need to move fast, do a lap, go. Back inside a the not walk it again for an hour. If people see you repeatedly walking then you get noticed a the targeted especially from the police and guys that want to beg you for money, not the homeless beggar, the guy that makes a living from it and will get pissed if you don't cooperate.

You must be visiting a different Tijuana or suffer extreme paranoia as I have been there 5 days at time for over 20 trips and have not experienced what you are describing to that degree.

[DramaFree11]

That's funny you can have such a big difference of issues with the police. I wonder if it has to do with ethnicity, or how well dressed you are. Are you over 60 years old? Wonder if that plays a role? I'm in 40's white Jean's t shirt sneakers no jewelry. The police stopped me alot the 1st 3 years in tijuana but not the last year or two. Out of 100 days in Tijuana, (5 hrs a day) I've been stopped around 4 times for walking. They did not take money from my wallet ever. Then again I only have 30 to 50 in my wallet the rest is in hidden. Pockets or socks.

M.

Same experience for me, but I usually dress in a sport jacket and jeans at night. I'm definitely more cautious now, but I've had only minor issues with the police. The one issue I did have I had an open container walking, so that was my fault. I've probably been to Tijuana 200 times. I always walk back-and-forth between the casino and HK, no problems. I probably will not do that at night anymore, but during the day it's no problem.

[Dogers69]

We all have different experiences in Tijuana, but for me it's the most dangerous place I've visited. I think a big reason is I always go alone (not by choice). If you are in a group, it's a much different experience. I would say, even knowing exactly what to look out for, I'm still anxious and expecting the worst when I go to Tijuana alone. I do make the walk from Hong Kong to Chicago and back. I just think it's ridiculous to take a taxi to and from those spots, especially since the taxis work with the cops and you not much safer with them. However, during those speed walks, I've have several bad experiences with the police. One thing I've learned, always say you are with a group and you are walking to meet with them. If you get robbed by police, remember their vehicle number. In fact, now the first thing I look for when I see a police vehicle coming is the vehicle number. They don't want you looking at this because they know there is a phone number you can call to report them and I've heard they actually do get in trouble for it. One number to call is 619-692-2154 another is 078. For me Tijuana is so dangerous because you have robbers and police to worry about and if you have an encouter the robbers you don't get the feeling the police are there to protect or help you. I would bet anything if the police saw a robbery the only thing they would do is extort the robbers for a share of the prize. I know there are varying reports about the police, but trust me, if you are alone, you have to worry a lot about them. I've had several horrible experiences with them and they are borderline evil. They WILL take your last dollar so you can't even get a taxi back to the border. The last time they robbed me, all I asked for was either to leave me enough money to get back to the border or if they could give me a ride back to the border and they just laughed at me. The funny thing is, after that last experience, I educated myself with those phone numbers and making sure I get the vehicle number of every police near me, and I haven't had another encounter. It's almost like they can sense I'm prepared for them. Or maybe I've just been lucky.

That's funny you can have such a big difference of issues with the police. I wonder if it has to do with ethnicity, or how well dressed you are. Are you over 60 years old? Wonder if that plays a role? I'm in 40's white Jean's t shirt sneakers no jewelry. The police stopped me alot the 1st 3 years in tijuana but not the last year or two. Out of 100 days in Tijuana, (5 hrs a day) I've been stopped around 4 times for walking. They did not take money from my wallet ever. Then again I only have 30 to 50 in my wallet the rest is in hidden. Pockets or socks.

[Kdog]

We all have different experiences in Tijuana, but for me it's the most dangerous place I've visited. I think a big reason is I always go alone (not by choice). If you are in a group, it's a much different experience. I would say, even knowing exactly what to look out for, I'm still anxious and expecting the worst when I go to Tijuana alone. I do make the walk from Hong Kong to Chicago and back. I just think it's ridiculous to take a taxi to and from those spots, especially since the taxis work with the cops and you not much safer with them. However, during those speed walks, I've have several bad experiences with the police. One thing I've learned, always say you are with a group and you are walking to meet with them. If you get robbed by police, remember their vehicle number. In fact, now the first thing I look for when I see a police vehicle coming is the vehicle number. They don't want you looking at this because they know there is a phone number you can call to report them and I've heard they actually do get in trouble for it. One number to call is 619-692-2154 another is 078. For me Tijuana is so dangerous because you have robbers and police to worry about and if you have an encouter the robbers you don't get the feeling the police are there to protect or help you. I would bet anything if the police saw a robbery the only thing they would do is extort the robbers for a share of the prize. I know there are varying reports about the police, but trust me, if you are alone, you have to worry a lot about them. I've had several horrible experiences with them and they are borderline evil. They WILL take your last dollar so you can't even get a taxi back to the border. The last time they robbed me, all I asked for was either to leave me enough money to get back to the border or if they could give me a ride back to the border and they just laughed at me. The funny thing is, after that last experience, I educated myself with those phone numbers and making sure I get the vehicle number of every police near me, and I haven't had another encounter. It's almost like they can sense I'm prepared for them. Or maybe I've just been lucky.

[Phordphan]

The problem with going outside of HK is the area is intriguing. You will see people walking up the streets and want to take a look. If you just did the alley and not the side, you would be much safer. But even the alley especially now with the bars closed I'd imagine isn't safe. Even with the bars open, in the alley, your gona have to deal with problems. I've seen fights, wrestling matches with police, naked man tazered by cops, guy punched in head dropped like he was dead, cops stop mongers in the alley, if you ask girls questions they don't like, like BBBJ they scream it out loud to anyone around, random girls walk the alley to get you to their room where you will be jumped or she will just take your money and not deliver any activities, theres drug dealers around, scam artists, slot dudes deported who need your money. Theres so many ways to scew up. If you look american, alone, a the tipsy it's like a bleeding swimmer to a shark. The whole block wants a piece of you. The block is not Mardi gras or a Thailand party street. You can do it, but if you can't brush off strangers, all of them someone will get to you. You need to move fast, do a lap, go. Back inside a the not walk it again for an hour. If people see you repeatedly walking then you get noticed a the targeted especially from the police and guys that want to beg you for money, not the homeless beggar, the guy that makes a living from it and will get pissed if you don't cooperate.

Do you buy your tinfoil by the case?

[Dogers69]

It sounds like to me that Tijuana is not a very safe place to visit. So if I were to stay at Hong Kong and went outside to talk to the street girls what would the chance be of having a mugging? I was concerned because I was planning on visiting this Tuesday for a few days.

The problem with going outside of HK is the area is intriguing. You will see people walking up the streets and want to take a look. If you just did the alley and not the side, you would be much safer. But even the alley especially now with the bars closed I'd imagine isn't safe. Even with the bars open, in the alley, your gona have to deal with problems. I've seen fights, wrestling matches with police, naked man tazered by cops, guy punched in head dropped like he was dead, cops stop mongers in the alley, if you ask girls questions they don't like, like BBBJ they scream it out loud to anyone around, random girls walk the alley to get you to their room where you will be jumped or she will just take your money and not deliver any activities, theres drug dealers around, scam artists, slot dudes deported who need your money. Theres so many ways to scew up. If you look american, alone, a the tipsy it's like a bleeding swimmer to a shark. The whole block wants a piece of you. The block is not Mardi gras or a Thailand party street. You can do it, but if you can't brush off strangers, all of them someone will get to you. You need to move fast, do a lap, go. Back inside a the not walk it again for an hour. If people see you repeatedly walking then you get noticed a the targeted especially from the police and guys that want to beg you for money, not the homeless beggar, the guy that makes a living from it and will get pissed if you don't cooperate.

[Scbb1]

NYPD / National Guard had the full Gaza gear and training against BLM+ others+looters+Arsonist+? What was the NYPD plan. Choke holds. Rubber bullets. Gas. Concussion bombs. +++. Great bodily injury.

War zone.

When was this and what time was it?, there is a lot of police presence in that area. I have never heard of such a thing.