Crime, Safety, and the Police

[ScatManDoo]

I read this post Friday afternoon before visiting Zona. Wtf 37 murders in 3 days! After visiting Hong Kong I was afraid to go to the Monte Carlo restaurant on the other side of the street, I only took a taxi to the border immediately. Captain Solo, please check the date before the post next time. Here is a link two video from the 2008 shooting in Tijuana. Police against cartel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsws9y-Uwgc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzXqFe5M5v0.

It is sad that you were not able to fully enjoy your visit to La Zona because you became of victim of this board's greatest dispenser of misinformation.

[Aviator400]

See this: http://www.discoverbaja.com/go/crossing-border-mexico/.

"Items Not Allowed in Mexico:

Guns or ammunition. Guns are illegal in Mexico. You will be put in jail for having one.

Pepper spray.

Whether it's ignored or not on locals is irrelevant. If you get stopped and searched by Tijuana cops, and they find a pepper spray on you. You've just broken the law, and have given them a solid reason to arrest and extort you. People are free to decide if carrying spray is worth this risk, but they should know the correct facts.

Here is another take on it, indicating that it is legal in Mexico. https://legalbeagle.com/6697820-mexi...pray-laws.html.

YMMV.

[StRobert]

Not saying Tijuana is exactly safe but that story the Captain posted is over 10 years old.

Maybe he is trying to spread fear so he can have all the pussy to himself. It aint working Capt. Like the OP said HK was packed.

I read this post Friday afternoon before visiting Zona. Wtf 37 murders in 3 days! After visiting Hong Kong I was afraid to go to the Monte Carlo restaurant on the other side of the street, I only took a taxi to the border immediately. Captain Solo, please check the date before the post next time. Here is a link two video from the 2008 shooting in Tijuana. Police against cartel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsws9y-Uwgc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzXqFe5M5v0.

[Ctytek]

That NBC news article is over 10 years old.

LOL. Another gem from clueless. Next in news. OJ Simpson is being pursued by LAPD in a highway Ford Bronco chase.

[TomJackin]

Not saying Tijuana is exactly safe but that story the Captain posted is over 10 years old.

Maybe he is trying to spread fear so he can have all the pussy to himself. It aint working Capt. Like the OP said HK was packed.

What a useless post from over ten years ago; I consider it pointless and the OP is pointless as usual.

HK was packed last night!

[Baxter Slade]

But yesterday Friday evening Hong Kong club was unusually full. I suppose the crime in Tijuana will not stop the mongers from visiting Zona Norte. Maybe only a nuclear explosion or big earthquake will stop mongers from visiting Hong Kong and Adelita clubs. Hehehe!

Not saying Tijuana is exactly safe but that story the Captain posted is over 10 years old.

Maybe he is trying to spread fear so he can have all the pussy to himself. It aint working Capt. Like the OP said HK was packed.

[ClamSlammer]

But yesterday Friday evening Hong Kong club was unusually full. I suppose the crime in Tijuana will not stop the mongers from visiting Zona Norte. Maybe only a nuclear explosion or big earthquake will stop mongers from visiting Hong Kong and Adelita clubs. Hehehe!

That NBC news article is over 10 years old.

[StRobert]

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27990143/n...ana-over-days/#. XFSajFxKjcs.

TIJUANA, Mexico At least 37 people were killed over three days in the Mexican border city of Tijuana, including four children caught in shootouts and nine men found decapitated, the state attorney general said Monday.

More than 200 people have been killed in the past month in Tijuana, where officials say rival cells of the Arellano-Felix drug cartel have been waging a bloody battle across the border from San Diego.

Tijuana's police chief was fired Monday after the wave of violence. A statement from the office of Tijuana Mayor Jorge Ramos says Alberto Capella was replaced by his second-in-command, army Cmdr. Julian Leyzaola.

No reason was given for Capella's abrupt dismissal.

Baja California state Attorney General Rommel Moreno said three police officers were among the nine decapitated men, whose bodies and heads were discovered in a poor Tijuana neighborhood. Their police credentials were found stuffed in their mouths.

Police were investigating whether some of the 37 deaths between Saturday and Monday were part of a retaliatory spree sparked by the killing of a 25-year-old woman believed to be a drug trafficker's girlfriend, Moreno said.

He said interviews with families members indicated that 80 percent of the victims had been involved in drug dealing.

But yesterday Friday evening Hong Kong club was unusually full. I suppose the crime in Tijuana will not stop the mongers from visiting Zona Norte. Maybe only a nuclear explosion or big earthquake will stop mongers from visiting Hong Kong and Adelita clubs. Hehehe!

[Dcrist0527]

You say her "posse was taking me out?" Like on a date? You got assaulted? What do you mean by that? Anyhow, stating that 90% of the people who ask you a question on the street is trying to rob you, well that's laughable. Maybe 2%-3% are looking to rob you. But the other 98% are either trying to sell you something, asking for a tip for doing bullshit, or have a legitimate question that they want answered.

Agreed. This is just more fear mongering from the guy who lives in 5 different locations simultaneously. And who has sworn off Tijuana but still claims expert status.

More importantly, I think the advice is, if you are approached by an English-speaking guy, be wary. But Clam is exactly right. Most of them are looking for a buck or trying to sell you something. In any case, they should be avoided. Yes, the rateros work in pairs or groups. And like always, your guard should be up. But 90% is just not even close to reality.

[ClamSlammer]

Anyone who asks you a question on the street in Tijuana is likely 90% trying to rob you. They got me with 18 year old girl because she was dressed conservatively and a chance to speak to a cute girl not charging me money was great. Till 20 seconds her posse was taking me out. Essentially, don't stop walking. The second you stop moving it's like watching lions catch the week prey on nature channel.

You say her "posse was taking me out?" Like on a date? You got assaulted? What do you mean by that? Anyhow, stating that 90% of the people who ask you a question on the street is trying to rob you, well that's laughable. Maybe 2%-3% are looking to rob you. But the other 98% are either trying to sell you something, asking for a tip for doing bullshit, or have a legitimate question that they want answered.

[Hargow20]

Mexico will form a national guard to help battle the drug war on a local level. Until Mexico roots out corruption it will hard to end drug problem in Mexico & Tijuana. Tijuana was also cited as one of the problem cities in Mexico as well. It is simply ridiculous that the drug dealers are allowed to sell drug openly in the Zona. I seem yelling out Quanto's open on Constitucion. The only way to weed out corruption is have independent international observers in Mexico. Unfortunately this probably will not happen.

https://enewspaper.sandiegouniontrib...f-1ab095a198ca

[Ctytek]

See this: http://www.discoverbaja.com/go/crossing-border-mexico/.

"Items Not Allowed in Mexico:

Guns or ammunition. Guns are illegal in Mexico. You will be put in jail for having one.

Pepper spray.

Whether it's ignored or not on locals is irrelevant. If you get stopped and searched by Tijuana cops, and they find a pepper spray on you. You've just broken the law, and have given them a solid reason to arrest and extort you. People are free to decide if carrying spray is worth this risk, but they should know the correct facts.

I don't think carrying pepper spray is a legal problem. If it is, it is ignored. A HK chica I spent the night with on my last visit showed me her can of pepper spray, which was fairly good sized. She lives about 20 minutes by cab from HK. One night while on the way home, the cab driver started to take her to a remote area away from her home. She got scared, hosed him down with the pepper spray, and ran. She left him in a lot of pain.

[Captain Solo]

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27990143/n...ana-over-days/#. XFSajFxKjcs.

TIJUANA, Mexico — At least 37 people were killed over three days in the Mexican border city of Tijuana, including four children caught in shootouts and nine men found decapitated, the state attorney general said Monday.

More than 200 people have been killed in the past month in Tijuana, where officials say rival cells of the Arellano-Felix drug cartel have been waging a bloody battle across the border from San Diego.

Tijuana's police chief was fired Monday after the wave of violence. A statement from the office of Tijuana Mayor Jorge Ramos says Alberto Capella was replaced by his second-in-command, army Cmdr. Julian Leyzaola.

No reason was given for Capella's abrupt dismissal.

Baja California state Attorney General Rommel Moreno said three police officers were among the nine decapitated men, whose bodies and heads were discovered in a poor Tijuana neighborhood. Their police credentials were found stuffed in their mouths.

Police were investigating whether some of the 37 deaths between Saturday and Monday were part of a retaliatory spree sparked by the killing of a 25-year-old woman believed to be a drug trafficker's girlfriend, Moreno said.

He said interviews with families members indicated that 80 percent of the victims had been involved in drug dealing.

[BearBare]

From my experiences in Tijuana, your likelihood to be in a situation where pepper spray is useful is nearly 0. The most recent muggings were over too fast or they came up from behind for a sleeper hold lock. So yes you might use it but I just haven't personally had many instances. I often walk and walk large areas from Plaza Rio, through CostCo, to PedEast, PedWest and over through Norte Zona (staying east of NH except for trips to veterinarian by 2nd and Gonzalez Ortega before 7 pm).

Shakedowns however by the police are extremely often. I once forgot about a mini K-bar knife that I routinely carried after 3 stints in Afghanistan (and survived many searches undetected in the Middle East) and immediately got it off my person.

I asked the policia during one search if pepper spray was ok and he said no. You can carry it knowing the potential consequences. I just wanted the casual reader to know that this is potentially going to lead to a policia tour of the Zona in the backseat of a cruiser for either a bribe or possible judge appearance. I've had this a few times just for walking in the street. When he asked why I was in the street I pointed to the cuantos guy outside Motel Ceci (across from Playboi bar) and said "because you can't seem to stop the drug dealers, and the sidewalks are blocked by their bikes. ".

Darinka Rodrguez 24 MAR 2018 - 01:58 CET.

El intento de violacin a una joven poblana ha creado un debate sobre el uso de este instrumento para la proteccin personal.

"Hay un vaco jurdico en la regulaciand a estos instrumentos no solo en cuanto al uso de la poblaciand, sino de LOS cuerpos de seguridad policaca", dice a Verne va telefnica Armando Rodrguez Luna, coordinador de proyectos del Colectivo de Anlisis de la Seguridad con Democracia (Casede) . . . El artculo 179 del seedigo Penal de Puebla no menciona al gas pimienta como un instrumento prohibido. . . ".

[Aviator400]

I would suggest double checking legality of pepper spray in Tijuana. Seems I remember police treating it like carrying a knife.

I don't think carrying pepper spray is a legal problem. If it is, it is ignored. A HK chica I spent the night with on my last visit showed me her can of pepper spray, which was fairly good sized. She lives about 20 minutes by cab from HK. One night while on the way home, the cab driver started to take her to a remote area away from her home. She got scared, hosed him down with the pepper spray, and ran. She left him in a lot of pain.