Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Captain Solo]

Thanks for this good info confirming the bars are enforcing health cards laws.

Is this Sofia the little spinner, who used to work in the alley near hotel Cascada, who later went to work in HK? She has a pair of very nice, natural, perky boobs. I miss kissing her jugs and sucking on her titties.

She disappeared, but where to?

This summer Sophia had to work the alley for about 2 weeks when she lost her health card. When she got her card, she was able to work in HK. So it would seem that the health code is enforced. If I managed HK I would religiously enforce the health code because a single epidemic can wipe out business. HK is a cash cow.

[Jackie888]

Many occasions on weekends, I have seen health inspectors walk the alley, check street girls for health cards and keep records. But I have never seen anyone check HK girls ever, even though I am practically in the bar every weekend during the busiest hours when the most chicas show up for work.

I think the bars owners have enough clout with health dept and city hall, that they can keep them from harassing the chicas. Hopefully the bars' management are doing their own policing, checking health cards to make sure they are up to date.

With rigorous enforcement of health cards, looks like the street girls may be the cleanest and safest.

Less safe are bar girls, hopefully they are not skirting the health card checks by fucking their managers or their doctors bareback. Even less safe are the escort girls, nobody knows last time they even wash their rotten pussies.

Least safe are the filthy, skanky and run down walkers, who are obvious hard-core drugs addicts and carriers of all sorts of serious diseases. They are so risky your dick may fall off after their toothless BBBJ. Hehe.

This summer Sophia had to work the alley for about 2 weeks when she lost her health card. When she got her card, she was able to work in HK. So it would seem that the health code is enforced. If I managed HK I would religiously enforce the health code because a single epidemic can wipe out business. HK is a cash cow.

[Captain Solo]

Many occasions on weekends, I have seen health inspectors walk the alley, check street girls for health cards and keep records. But I have never seen anyone check HK girls ever, even though I am practically in the bar every weekend during the busiest hours when the most chicas show up for work.

I think the bars owners have enough clout with health dept and city hall, that they can keep them from harassing the chicas. Hopefully the bars' management are doing their own policing, checking health cards to make sure they are up to date.

With rigorous enforcement of health cards, looks like the street girls may be the cleanest and safest.

Less safe are bar girls, hopefully they are not skirting the health card checks by fucking their managers or their doctors bareback. Even less safe are the escort girls, nobody knows last time they even wash their rotten pussies.

Least safe are the filthy, skanky and run down walkers, who are obvious hard-core drugs addicts and carriers of all sorts of serious diseases. They are so risky your dick may fall off after their toothless BBBJ. Hehe.

"The testing is one of the measures that this city, Tijuana, has taken to regulate prostitution, which has flourished here for decades. The city council passed a law in June that requires the town's active prostitutes - 5,000 are currently being tested each month. To have monthly medical exams for sexually transmitted diseases and forces brothel owners to adopt more sanitary practices. Those who do not face stiff fines and the loss of their business licenses..

[WombatEd2]

How much time do you save by going 90 mph?

I don't exactly remember. Not a hell of a lot. Maybe 15-20 minutes, compared to driving 70-75. That was from Culver City to Chula Vista. And that was leaving around 4:00 AM.

In retrospect, given the risks, it was not really worth it. File it under "Young and Stupid".

[Captain Solo]

1 mil pesos or $60 mordida for illegal you turn? It's very high. What day and what time of the week were you nailed for this you turn?

You are supposed to go South on P Kino to the rotary then go North to join the line waiting for SENTRI lanes. If there is a long line of cars waiting, you cannot do you turn, since other drivers would never let you cut in their line. But most time at night P Kino is empty and drivers would just make you turns over the double yellow line into the empty Northbound lanes.

I would look around carefully before doing this you turn, as I know policia assholes may be hiding nearby trying to make money.

The most recent was when I pulled a _U_ turn across the center line to access the Sentri lane on Calle Padre Keno. That time the cop brought out some printed up chart showing fines for various traffic infractions. Then I brought up the option of paying the cop instead of seeing the judge. He seemed hesitant but accepted the 1 mil pesos.

[Member #4450]

Sorry. I just assumed that when you were dispensing advice to folks on how to deal with being stopped by the cops, that you actually had some experience to back your opinions. Apparently not. My bad.

Here's some analysis if you can read Spanish. I don't think the Mexican Supreme Court is populated by waiters.

http://eljuegodelacorte.nexos.com.mx/?p=3602

Employees of prostitution-oriented businesses must have health cards. IIRC, that does not apply to escorts, dollar-a-dance style venues, etc. Which means that prostitution is legal, albeit regulated in one form or another. So, if you have anything besides your opinion to back up your assertion that it's somehow illegal to meet an escort at a motel, then pay her for sex, please post.

No there's nothing in that article that prostitution is legal in the open everywhere in Mexico. Google prostitution in Mexico and go to wikipedia. It is legal in the Mexican constitution but the big detail for you is it is only legal in designated areas in some cities Called ZONE OF TOLERANCE But don't worry there's no police stings for solicitation in Mexico so take a deep breath have a tequila and relax.

Also the Holidays are coming soon and we all know Tijuana cops are out and active for Christmas gifts better just keep a $20 in plain sight so they don't take everything you have.

[Phordphan]

I don't go wandering around at night when I'm in Tijuana And don't care to go the whole 9 yards I only go there to get laid not a tourist adventure. . Some gringos like to act stupid when in Tijuana and then they come here whining about getting shaken down by Tijuana cops. I heard alll that nonsense before. If you act like a stupid gringo you are going to get in trouble.

Zone of Tolerance means you can work in public as a sex worker and to work bare ass naked they need to work inside the bars.

Where did you get that prostitution was legal in the open everywhere in Tijuana that's incorrect go and ask the city guys don't get your facts from the waiters they don't know shit.

Sorry. I just assumed that when you were dispensing advice to folks on how to deal with being stopped by the cops, that you actually had some experience to back your opinions. Apparently not. My bad.

Here's some analysis if you can read Spanish. I don't think the Mexican Supreme Court is populated by waiters.

http://eljuegodelacorte.nexos.com.mx/?p=3602

Employees of prostitution-oriented businesses must have health cards. IIRC, that does not apply to escorts, dollar-a-dance style venues, etc. Which means that prostitution is legal, albeit regulated in one form or another. So, if you have anything besides your opinion to back up your assertion that it's somehow illegal to meet an escort at a motel, then pay her for sex, please post.

[Captain Solo]

Prostitution is still illegal outside of these 13 states.

http://prostitution.procon.org/view....ourceID=000772#mexico.

66. Mexico.

Population: 111,211,789.

Prostitution: Legal.

Prostitution is decriminalized and regulated at the state level. Where regulated they must be at least 18, registered, pay for and receive health checks, and carry their health card. It cannot be in public though many cities have a red light district or "zona roja. ".

Brothel Ownership: Illegal.

Pimping: Illegal.

"The testing is one of the measures that this city, Tijuana, has taken to regulate prostitution, which has flourished here for decades. The city council passed a law in June that requires the town's active prostitutes - 5,000 are currently being tested each month. To have monthly medical exams for sexually transmitted diseases and forces brothel owners to adopt more sanitary practices. Those who do not face stiff fines and the loss of their business licenses.

One measure of the magnitude of the problem health officials face is that more than 8,000 women and men who have registered as prostitutes since the system began have stopped coming to the city clinic, Dr. Mayor Noriega said. It is unclear how many left the business and how many simply decided not to pay for the tests any more. ".

James see. McKinley Jr, "A New Law in Tijuana Regulates the Oldest Profession," New York Times, Dec. 13, 2005.

[Member #4450]

THAT is COMPLETE BULLSHIT. You do not need a prescription for ED drugs in Tijuana. The head of Tijuana merchants assoc. Owns PIRI and dispences ED drugs, and has objected to the fuckin cops for scams to jack unsuspecting gringos to pay these ASSHOLES.

Maybe You don't needed now but It was different 8 years ago I wasn't aware of the new changes. Thank you for clarifying.

[Member #4450]

Forgive me for saying so, but for a guy who knows Tijuana since "1990's" you know very little about it.

As others have pointed out, prostitution is legal. The zone of tolerance permits things that would otherwise not be permitted, like the girls standing in the alley saying psst-psst to all and sundry. If it were illegal everywhere, clubs like Siete de Copas, or La Cueva del Peludo, or several others I could name, all hooker bars, couldn't operate. And, frankly, your statement about taking a girl to La Mansion and giving her money being illegal is utter lunacy. Where did you get that nonsense?

You do not need a prescription to have vitamin V. But the cops like to make up lies (apparently they have you believing them) just to frighten tourists.

If you were an old Tijuana hand you'd be using pesos for everything. Morditas, if unavoidable due to time constraints, or other circumstances, are usually in the 200 peso range. That's what locals pay. $30 is way too much for someone with your experience.

You only need MX insurance if your own insurance doesn't provide coverage in Mexico. But, yes, you need insurance.

The biggest gripe is that guys like you, who should know better, simply help to perpetuate the problem. Mexican police corruption will never go away completely, but gringos just dropping trou, bending over and handing the cops dollars, simply encourage more bad behavior. If more gringos resist and make it more difficult for the ratbags to extort money, they'll move on to easier targets.

Now, as for my experience, I've been visiting since the late '90's. I've been jacked up maybe 6 or 7 times. Due to ignorance and inexperience, one time (2008, I think, on Revu back when it was pitch dark at night, walking to my hotel) they shook me down for, IIRC, $20. Once I made a semi-illegal turn in Mexicali and had to fork over 200 pesos. The only other time (on Agua Caliente near La Cueva) I paid was because I had 2 girls waiting in the car and we were on our way back to the hotel, I got tired of dicking around with the guy, and we settled for 200 pesos. The other times they didn't take anything, or they got tired of dicking with me and moved on to easier targets. So, with experience comes knowledge. I hope some noob is reading this, and develops his own plan on how to deal with cops. If you've done nothing wrong, your default position is you don't pay. You may not have time to go the whole 9 yards with the cop, call his bluff, go to the judge, etc. , so it may be more expedient to give a small mordida. That's a judgment call. But you negotiate that, just as you would anything else in Mexico. Your default position is not OK, I'll pay what they ask.

OK. I showed you mine, let's see yours. What happened and where were you when you had to pay $30 to get them to go away?

I don't go wandering around at night when I'm in Tijuana And don't care to go the whole 9 yards I only go there to get laid not a tourist adventure. . Some gringos like to act stupid when in Tijuana and then they come here whining about getting shaken down by Tijuana cops. I heard alll that nonsense before. If you act like a stupid gringo you are going to get in trouble.

Zone of Tolerance means you can work in public as a sex worker and to work bare ass naked they need to work inside the bars.

Where did you get that prostitution was legal in the open everywhere in Tijuana that's incorrect go and ask the city guys don't get your facts from the waiters they don't know shit.

[Phordphan]

Youre right you're NOT obligated but is a life saver why go to all the trouble so I don't see It a terrible advice. Those are the risk when you enter Tijuana. I don't give the cops a reason to stop me and I know Tijuana since 1990's.

Look it is common sense what part of corrupted cop you don't get? I don't think its a bad advise because not every cop in Tijuana is honest and he can even put shit in your pockets and make things worse.

I say You must aproach with caution.

I will only ask to see the Judge if something much worse had happened not for lousy $20 or $30 bucks.

Let me informe you That prostitution is ILLEGAL in Tijuana except in zona Norte The "Tolerance Zone" saying this it means that if you get a hooker to the Mansion or any outside zona hotel is illegal for you and her to exchange money for sex but no one cares.

Forgive me for saying so, but for a guy who knows Tijuana since "1990's" you know very little about it.

As others have pointed out, prostitution is legal. The zone of tolerance permits things that would otherwise not be permitted, like the girls standing in the alley saying psst-psst to all and sundry. If it were illegal everywhere, clubs like Siete de Copas, or La Cueva del Peludo, or several others I could name, all hooker bars, couldn't operate. And, frankly, your statement about taking a girl to La Mansion and giving her money being illegal is utter lunacy. Where did you get that nonsense?

You do not need a prescription to have vitamin V. But the cops like to make up lies (apparently they have you believing them) just to frighten tourists.

If you were an old Tijuana hand you'd be using pesos for everything. Morditas, if unavoidable due to time constraints, or other circumstances, are usually in the 200 peso range. That's what locals pay. $30 is way too much for someone with your experience.

You only need MX insurance if your own insurance doesn't provide coverage in Mexico. But, yes, you need insurance.

The biggest gripe is that guys like you, who should know better, simply help to perpetuate the problem. Mexican police corruption will never go away completely, but gringos just dropping trou, bending over and handing the cops dollars, simply encourage more bad behavior. If more gringos resist and make it more difficult for the ratbags to extort money, they'll move on to easier targets.

Now, as for my experience, I've been visiting since the late '90's. I've been jacked up maybe 6 or 7 times. Due to ignorance and inexperience, one time (2008, I think, on Revu back when it was pitch dark at night, walking to my hotel) they shook me down for, IIRC, $20. Once I made a semi-illegal turn in Mexicali and had to fork over 200 pesos. The only other time (on Agua Caliente near La Cueva) I paid was because I had 2 girls waiting in the car and we were on our way back to the hotel, I got tired of dicking around with the guy, and we settled for 200 pesos. The other times they didn't take anything, or they got tired of dicking with me and moved on to easier targets. So, with experience comes knowledge. I hope some noob is reading this, and develops his own plan on how to deal with cops. If you've done nothing wrong, your default position is you don't pay. You may not have time to go the whole 9 yards with the cop, call his bluff, go to the judge, etc. , so it may be more expedient to give a small mordida. That's a judgment call. But you negotiate that, just as you would anything else in Mexico. Your default position is not OK, I'll pay what they ask.

OK. I showed you mine, let's see yours. What happened and where were you when you had to pay $30 to get them to go away?

[Baxter Slade]

And another thing prostitution is legal in Mexico. The only difference regarding the zone of tolerance is they allow sex to be solicited out in public.

[GolfSexRroll]

I hate to bring the bad news but Viagra Cialis vicodin and other drugs you must get a prescription by a Tijuana doctor first but no one does but the cop can use this as an excuse to get your spare cash. Also you supposed to buy Mexican insurance when driving in Tijuana so yes my friends they can take your car if you get involve in an accident and you got no money.

THAT is COMPLETE BULLSHIT. You do not need a prescription for ED drugs in Tijuana. The head of Tijuana merchants assoc. Owns PIRI and dispences ED drugs, and has objected to the fuckin cops for scams to jack unsuspecting gringos to pay these ASSHOLES.

[Member #4450]

I hate to bring the bad news but Viagra Cialis vicodin and other drugs you must get a prescription by a Tijuana doctor first but no one does but the cop can use this as an excuse to get your spare cash. Also you supposed to buy Mexican insurance when driving in Tijuana so yes my friends they can take your car if you get involve in an accident and you got no money.

[Member #4450]

Terrible advice. You are under NO obligation to pay a bribe to the cops. And certainly not $20 or $30 or more. Being polite, standing your ground, knowing how the game is played, is not "playing the tough guy. " Magic Rancher did all the right things. He didn't cave, he called the cops' bluff. You most certainly do have rights in Tijuana, they're just not the same as in the USA.

The cops make up shit in order to frighten gringos. Prostitution is illegal, Viagra is illegal, didn't you see that No Left Turn sign (happened to me a few weeks ago, posted it on the "other" board). They're banking on your ignorance, plus the fact that many gringos have more money than time and they don't want to dick around in a police station. MR did the right thing. Had he appeared before the judge, and explained that he had not had a drink since the night before, was not drunk, and that the office had suggested that he "pay the fine on the spot," well, things would have looked very bad for Officer Fife.

Many situations are different, so what's been your experience with getting stopped by the cops?

Youre right you're NOT obligated but is a life saver why go to all the trouble so I don't see It a terrible advice. Those are the risk when you enter Tijuana. I don't give the cops a reason to stop me and I know Tijuana since 1990's.

Look it is common sense what part of corrupted cop you don't get? I don't think its a bad advise because not every cop in Tijuana is honest and he can even put shit in your pockets and make things worse.

I say You must aproach with caution.

I will only ask to see the Judge if something much worse had happened not for lousy $20 or $30 bucks.

Let me informe you That prostitution is ILLEGAL in Tijuana except in zona Norte The "Tolerance Zone" saying this it means that if you get a hooker to the Mansion or any outside zona hotel is illegal for you and her to exchange money for sex but no one cares.