Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Efjayel]

Cj, you're my idol!

Well spoken words.

[Country John]

CJ,
The whole idea of this forum is to really inform the truth of what's going on in TJ and not just getting the mongers scared with the wrong information.
I've been in the zona many times and never had anything to worry, I even walked many times from the border to the zona and around the zona at late evening hours I wouldn't do it now.
Police no longer protect you because they are been targeted right now. On the news just recently last Saturday a Chief of police from Otay was gunned down.
I've never heard police killings and bodies chopped lying dead on the streets two years ago.
Also on the news, LE is hiding violent crimes from the media and the people to keep the panic down they started doing it three months ago, so you cannot 100% know what really is going on in TJ.
Thanks CJ, and maybe you can give us a 411 update with the crowd in the zona? Do you still see a lot of guys going there as before are the bars full etc?

The difference between you and the paranoid is that you decide to use your brain to think. That's why you are getting along OK.

The violent crime in the press is in the press because there is a very public war being waged between the narcotraficantes and the government of Mexico. The blood started running in the streets BIG time when Calderon decided to bring the military to the party, put local police under the microscope and extradite close to 200 cartel people to the USA for prosecution. The guy is lucky he is not dead. He's really putting his life on the line as are many others.

Most Americans believe that it's not possible to encounter a trustworthy person in MExico which is an embarrassment to themselves and an injustice to the good people of Mexico. Americans are guilty of the very things they accuse others of, but that is a rant.

How many times do you have to hit someone over the head with the facts before they can think with them? In most cases, it's not worth the effort. There is no amount of reasoning that can make a hysterical-by-choice person understand the reality of what's going on.

The 4 kids who got off'ed last week here did not "wander off with the wrong element." It was not a chance encounter. It was not an accident. These children made stupid decisions and it cost them their lives. Peace be upon them.

Anyone here who makes the similar stupid decisions can expect the same result.

The thing that fucking grinds on me is that Americans just care to understand what's really happening. Sure, I would not be happy if I woke up one morning and found my head on the other side of the room, or my body dissolved in a barrel of acid; in my line of work and my other outside interests however, the chances of that happening to me are none and zero. That's because I am NOT involved in the activities that involve that sort of behavior.

Regarding the police, they could be doing anything in the world and the public not know about it. Looka twhat has been happening in the states. The cops here are more forthcoming and the press has more freedoms here to publish than in the USA.

So the cops MIGHT be hiding some stuff, but if they are, it would be for the reason you stated, because there is no warning out to the public to be on guard against random gunfire from narcotraficantes, people here just get what is going on and govern themselves accordingly; people here are not living in fear. Cartel people are not running down the center of Revolution Blvd firing automatic weapons into crowds of tourists.

The situation is what it is and people are going to stew in their own perceptions and paranoia. Look what is happening in the USA; if people just got down to business things would change but you can't force people to understand, they either get it or they don't.

Nobody is laughing louder than the cartels for the effects they are having on Americans and tourism in Mexico. They are hitting the government where it hurts -in the wallet. The best message to send is the one Mexicans are sending and that is that "life goes on." I respect them for that. So should everyone else.

Come to the Zona, get laid, enjoy the ambiance and then go home. Keep your wits about you, don't do anything stupid, respect the laws of the land. The same advice handed out for the past 100 years when visiting here.

[Member #4450]

Look, I have been telling people this for a long time: If you are uncomfortable with the security in TJ, stay home. Sharks can smell blood in the water and bad guys here can smell fear.

CJ,
The whole idea of this forum is to really inform the truth of what's going on in TJ and not just getting the mongers scared with the wrong information.
I've been in the zona many times and never had anything to worry, I even walked many times from the border to the zona and around the zona at late evening hours I wouldn't do it now.
Police no longer protect you because they are been targeted right now. On the news just recently last Saturday a Chief of police from Otay was gunned down.
I've never heard police killings and bodies chopped lying dead on the streets two years ago.
Also on the news, LE is hiding violent crimes from the media and the people to keep the panic down they started doing it three months ago, so you cannot 100% know what really is going on in TJ.
Thanks CJ, and maybe you can give us a 411 update with the crowd in the zona? Do you still see a lot of guys going there as before are the bars full etc?

[Country John]

TJ has been "a dangerous place" for a very very long time. The crime is different because the technology used in crime here (and everywhere else) is different.

The fact remains that the murders are drug related. These are nasty people and staying out the drug trade is one measure to ensure an even shot at a long life.

Muggins and robberies are nothing new in Tj or anywhere else for that matter. The fact that it now gets more column inches of negative press than before is no surprise given the economic situation State-side. The DEA is talking more now than they ever did, that's also a good thing.

America continues to deny that it is probably the number one customer for drugs produced in or transported through Mexico, that is a pity. Most Mexicans can't afford the stuff. Some of the only people here who can afford it are busy working in the Zona Norte screwing you folks.

Look, I have been telling people this for a long time: If you are uncomfortable with the security in TJ, stay home. Sharks can smell blood in the water and bad guys here can smell fear.

I run two businesses here. I deal with the civilian population all day, every day. People are living their lives and going about their business. They are, of course, aware of the situation and the dangers associated with it; they are also aware of the common sense things that anyone living in a dangerous environment should know.

Mexico doesn't not have a monopoly on corruption. America's corruption problem is so bad they can't even quantify it. In the USA, it's always a big surprise when one of your people get caught up in a corruption scandal. Here, it's nothing new so it's no big deal.

Mexicans are sending the message that it doesn't matter what the corrupt cops, government or narotraficantes do, life goes on as usual. Things get done. Those who stick their head into the lion's mouth get it bitten off. So goes the laws of the jungle.

Revolution Avenue could be FLOODED with tourists this weekend who would have a great time. The same rules apply now that applied 20 years ago.

It's the hysteria generated by the drug related violence reported in the press creating the problem.

Having said all that, the experienced monger would have no problems. The noobie should come with a wingman who knows how this town thinks.

I understand that people are frightened. I understand why. But if our good neighbors to the north don't get with the program and show the bad guys that they are unaffected by their insanity, then that would send a powerful message. Instead, the California Chamber of Commerce is enjoying every minute of the hysteria.

That's just my opinion - I could be wrong.
Country John

[Member #4450]

Yes TJ is a very dangerous place to monger where everything goes, cheap and close to home. The reality is that not many people in this forum likes to read anything about Tijuana a terrible or dangerous place to go, like talking about plane crashes when your in a plane.
I personally believe TJ violence is getting out of control, I read somewhere Quote: Welcome to Tijuana come for the swine flu stay for the murders or something like that?
Double, I appreciate your comments for someone who knows TJ life like yourself for over 30 yrs.

[Double]

TJ where the fearless roam.

I will stay home in the good ol US and leave TJ to the rats. Be my guest, go and hang out with the $60 hoes until you crook. Honestly, what is the attraction to streets that smell like vomit, and women that are burnouts. The TJ hookers are the coldest, money grubbers that I have encountered in all my days. No passion at all, just "fuckie fuckie, suckie, suckie". I have had better lap dances in San Diego than some of the sex you can get in TJ. When the party is over there is always a group of folks that just can't go home.

Scared might be wise. Fear is a defense mechanism.

BTW, what do you think will be written on the note that they find beside you when they find your fearless body?

[Efjayel]

I believe their deaths where because of the drug cartels since the families admitted to it. As for how unsafe Tj is, it has gotten worse. But in all the trips I've taken I've never had a problem. If you are scared to go then don't go.

[Double]

It does not matter.....

People my last comment. It does not matter if you are on drugs or not. When you cross the border to go to TJ you are entering one of the most dangerous city in the world next to Juarez Mexico. I have been going to TJ for over 30 years, and for 30 years the police have ripped off tourist. Before is was just a $20 and off you go. Now it is a kidnapping, where you can be force to the atm to make a withdrawal, or your vehicle is taken, or you are driven around in a van and coerced into giving up all the money you have.

I do not drink, I do not do drugs, I dress like a regular middle class guy, no gang history, bilinqual, and lived on the border for 30 years. The point is that these people do not need an excuse to murder. It is out of control down there, and honestly the city should be off limits. Once a hot spot, now just a burnout.

[Double]

it is not what is used to be:

how is the united states to blame for mexico's woes? canada ineighbors the u.s. and it does not have the same problems within its borders. one of the biggest problems that mexico faces is the widespread inability to accept responsibility for the ills of their own country. the united states is not responsible for the prevalent and worsening systematic issues within mexico.

the mexican government has a problem with blaming the u.s. for all of its problems, so to draw attention away from the fact that they are incompetent. the country exports people, and drugs, as a means of creating economic opportunity for a few and to maintaining the status quo.

the entire mexican police department is corrupt. from the least influential street beat cop to the highest police official in the country, there is not one honest cop. they are all criminals that prey on the weak, abuse their power and [CodeWord123] the country for all that they can get for themselves. i have personally been robbed by mexican police officers in tj as soon as i stepped out of the cab as i was dropped of from the border. there was absolutly no reason for the police to speak to me. i step out of the cab and immdeiately "hey amigo" come here, and a shake down for cash.

one last point is that the young people that were brutalized for nothing are not able to speak for themselves. it is very unlikely that they were connected to the drugs gangs, because the police are the drug gangs in tj. i would advise anyone that values their life to stay out of the toilet called tijuana, as there are many other places to go in the world that are much nicer. a $60 piece of pussy is not worth dying over. i would rather pay ten times that amount and be okay that go to t town.

[Toadtamer2]

3 of the 4 had problems in their past. They were obviously targeted for a reason. Not innocent victims IMO. They rolled the dice and lost big time.

[Libra 7474]

Another reason not to be overly adventurous.

God rest their souls

[Efjayel]

They don't deserve what happened to them. I saw a picture of one of the girls. And she just seemed like one of those sweet high school girls that didn't get into trouble. But I guess looks are deceiving. With everything that has been going on with the drug cartels you'd think they would be smarter than to deal with these drug dealers.

United States has as much to blame as the Mexicans who did this since the biggest importer of the Mexican drugs are the United States.

[Country John]

You should be safe as long as you have no dealings with anything drug related. These killings were not a random act, but they were done in a very brutal manner.

"The bodies were described as having been tortured; bludgeoned, beaten and with their skulls crushed. They were found wrapped in blankets early Saturday morning, according to a news release from the Tijuana State Attorney's Office". The girls were 19 and 20 years old, one news report said that the girls had 6" long knife cuts to their faces. You can imagine what else happened to them in the 36 hours from the time they went to Tijuana on Thursday night until they were found on Saturday morning, because the van they were dumped in was dripping blood.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...bFhtKRbcw.cspx

http://www.10news.com/news/19466337/detail.html

If you go to TJ, be careful who you deal with, those four young adults made a mistake by hanging out with the wrong people, and they didn't see this coming.

RG.

Roadglide is right.

It's a terrible story and an awful way to die. Inexperience and naivety obviously played a role in this as well as some very very bad decision making. There are lots of people out there who are not saying "no" to drugs and they are ending up like these poor children. Peace be upon them. Americans can't and shouldn't condemn the Mexican people for the actions of their narco/criminal element.

Sure makes great headlines though.

[RoadGlide]

You should be safe as long as you have no dealings with anything drug related. These killings were not a random act, but they were done in a very brutal manner.

"The bodies were described as having been tortured; bludgeoned, beaten and with their skulls crushed. They were found wrapped in blankets early Saturday morning, according to a news release from the Tijuana State Attorney's Office". The girls were 19 and 20 years old, one news report said that the girls had 6" long knife cuts to their faces. You can imagine what else happened to them in the 36 hours from the time they went to Tijuana on Thursday night until they were found on Saturday morning, because the van they were dumped in was dripping blood.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/...bFhtKRbcw.cspx

http://www.10news.com/news/19466337/detail.html

If you go to TJ, be careful who you deal with, those four young adults made a mistake by hanging out with the wrong people, and they didn't see this coming.

RG.

[Efjayel]

Yes it's still safe.

I just saw this on the news. they where strangled, bound, gagged and stabbed to death. One of the bodies tested positive for cocaine.

The catch was that the relatives admitted those kids had connections with drug cartels. So unless you're there doing drug deals or looking for drugs, I doubt you have anything to worry about.