Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Hammer_G]

Since I am not in the US now, I only communicate with my friend thru Email.
I asked " Did police do anything to those people ? "
This is his reply,
"absolutely nothing, kept chatting with them afterwards. maybe on the same team."

[Efjayel]

Poor Henry. Bet he wont be going back.

[Phordphan]

A mail from my friend. I often go to TJ with them, but didn't go this time.

We got framed inside Adelita, me and Henry walked in and right away some Mexican guy said Henry stole his cel phone and we ignored and walked around and then 4 guys followed us wanted us to empty our pockets, we tried to get the bartender to translate and then we were harrased and followed and we had to go out to get policia and then they bodysearched us and took our passports and then we were put against the wall, and then I gave the policia $20, they found no cel phone on us, we told them they are lying, and then we were let go. Henry turned white as a ghost and not a good experience.

When did this happen? Date/time?

[Hammer_G]

A mail from my friend. I often go to TJ with them, but didn't go this time.

We got framed inside Adelita, me and Henry walked in and right away some Mexican guy said Henry stole his cel phone and we ignored and walked around and then 4 guys followed us wanted us to empty our pockets, we tried to get the bartender to translate and then we were harrased and followed and we had to go out to get policia and then they bodysearched us and took our passports and then we were put against the wall, and then I gave the policia $20, they found no cel phone on us, we told them they are lying, and then we were let go. Henry turned white as a ghost and not a good experience.

[Sgt Perv]

It's strange though, news of this hasn't even hit anywhere in L.A. At least not on the nightly news or radio news which I listen to everyday. If it wasn't for this site, I would have never known this happened.

Did you notice that none of the article have the familiar AP (Associated Press).

Some have copyright statements.

Not a mystery who has the influence to keep it low key and why.

Not exactly the pride story of US ,Mexico or military.

[Member #4450]

It's strange though, news of this hasn't even hit anywhere in L.A. At least not on the nightly news or radio news which I listen to everyday. If it wasn't for this site, I would have never known this happened.

You're right, I don't know why?
Everything is kept quiet, maybe there's not much info released by the Mexican authorities?
What motivated these guys to do a thing like that against these poor girls?

I don't buy they were attacked, the two guys at the same time and for what
money??
A 19 yrs old girl was found dead a few weeks before and one of the guys was caught by the hotel security camera and wearing the same shirt when he was arrested , he was seen with the girl before she was found dead by the hotel maid.
Did they bring the knives into TJ?
I'm not aware if you can legally buy these kind of knives in TJ, maybe at some sporting goods store?
Anyway it's a good story I wish was more info available, maybe 20/20, 60 minutes, or one those tv programs are working on it so stay tuned!

[Efjayel]

Okay thanks for that vid. And you're right, the girls they picked weren't exactly the best of the bunch. And from the interview of the chicas, seems these guys had it planned out to kill them.

Maybe these two were in some psychotic pact to kill prostitutes or something. Glad they are in jail.

It's strange though, news of this hasn't even hit anywhere in L.A. At least not on the nightly news or radio news which I listen to everyday. If it wasn't for this site, I would have never known this happened.

[Sgt Perv]

How do you know that?


I'd like to hear the side of the Navy guys. I have yet to hear anything of their side. They haven't even said they are innocent or try to explain anything. They simply refuse to talk.

When they were arrested they would not say what branch of the service they were with either.

Basic military training is you only give your name, rank ,serial number and date of birth.

That forces the captor to contact the US Military and register they have you.

In the USA or Mexico nothing they said could have helped them at all.

[Sgt Perv]

Are you a doctor? Yes, are plenty of recreational drugs that can fuck your brains and make you do things like that read the facts.

I do not have to be a doctor ( I was a qualified Medic ) , just sane, to know if I took a drug and killed someone while knowing enough that it was wrong and hide the body, I would not take that drug again.

That has to be one strange drug to get two people to act in the same insane way at same time and then repeat three weeks later.

It would be amazing that during the three week gap that the Navy did not know that either had an addiction.

They either took or bought knives in Mexico. Why? They knew it was against military policies.

Although they are military ,they are also people and people do fuck up.

[Member #4450]

Thank you! You saved me a lot of typing and was nicer then I would have been.

Although the military does train some to kill, no one is trained to kill without remorse. That is a very personal ,moral and individual thing.

How would you train someone to kill without remorse?

What drug would you take that would make you kill someone, hide the body, and then 3 weeks later want to repeat?

Stress from training ? Well one was in BUD (Basic Underwater Demolition) training. Yes he could have been depressed over failing but there was two of them!

These two sailors fucked up.

Are you a doctor? Yes, are plenty of recreational drugs that can fuck your brains and make you do things like that read the facts.

[Sgt Perv]

Yes they are Seals at least one of them is, if you google there's a lot info.

Nowhere was it said one was a Seal. It was said one was until recently in BUD training. Seal training is in the beginning 6 months long. Most do not make it through.

Most fail during "hell week"where they are screwed with mentally and physically to their limits.

Trained killers?

Do you really think that two chicas and an old man would be alive at the hands of one trained killer?

There was two young men with two knives. Far from being combat warriors.

[Member #4450]

If they were Marines or Soldiers I would buy this. However, these guys were U.S. Navy sailors. The Rambo cliches don't even apply (unless they were SEALs).

Yes they are Seals at least one of them is, if you google there's a lot info.

Please refrain from using Vietnam-vet warmonger Rambo movie cliches to describe the troops because the vast majority don't even come close to that level of craziness (and the ones who do were fucked in the head in the first place, before they ever joined the military).

No one said anything about Vietnam Vet warmonger, movies or anything like it.

How do you know that?

Here: http://www.10news.com/newsarchive/18677087/detail.html#

click on the videos to the right you can see one of the girls there's another site can't find it now it shows the two injured girls and the hotel manager.

[Sgt Perv]

Thank you! You saved me a lot of typing and was nicer then I would have been.

Although the military does train some to kill, no one is trained to kill without remorse. That is a very personal ,moral and individual thing.

How would you train someone to kill without remorse?

What drug would you take that would make you kill someone, hide the body, and then 3 weeks later want to repeat?

Stress from training ? Well one was in BUD (Basic Underwater Demolition) training. Yes he could have been depressed over failing but there was two of them!

These two sailors fucked up.

[Smut Villain]

The father said that his son would react as he did only if his life was in danger, remember these guys are trained by the military to kill without remorse but in combat man to man not women, very weird?

If they were Marines or Soldiers I would buy this. However, these guys were U.S. Navy sailors. The Rambo cliches don't even apply (unless they were SEALs). Sailors don't even do ground combat in the first place; it's not in their job description (again, SEALs and corpsmen are the exceptions). This means, of course, that their "military training" probably wasn't anything like the usual "Full Metal Jacket" cliches you're thinking about; no rolling around in the mud with assault rifles or even eating snakes. No camouflage uniforms, no war paint, nothing like that. The military is not like the stereotypes you see in the movies, especially the Navy and the Air Force.

What's the possibility that these soldiers were in combat in Iraq? That can explain a mental problem that many servicemen are having after returning from the war, it makes you wonder?
Mental evaluation must be done on some of these soldiers before this happen again if this is the case.

What's the chances they were in Iraq? Pretty darned slim, actually; remember, they were U.S. Navy Sailors, not soldiers. If they were ever in the Middle East then it was likely on board a ship, not dodging bullets in Baghdad. As I said in the first paragraph, the "evil-Soldier-comes-from-war-all-fucked-in-the-head-and-kills-everybody" BS doesn't even apply to members of a Navy which doesn't even do ground combat in the first place.

BTW, I served in both Gulf Wars (10 years Navy, 4 years Army National Guard) and I haven't killed anyone; neither have the vast majority of the men who served with me. Please refrain from using Vietnam-vet warmonger Rambo movie cliches to describe the troops because the vast majority don't even come close to that level of craziness (and the ones who do were fucked in the head in the first place, before they ever joined the military).

Please don't get me wrong; I'm not trying to flame you (and if I came across that way then please allow me to apologize in advance). It's just that the military, contrary to popular belief, is not some home for a bunch of mentally challenged, malcontent potential axe - murderers. If you knew the low-impact and lightweight basic training used to produce the average sailor then you'd probably realize that military training was probably not a determining factor in the sick behavior displayed by the two suspects.

[Efjayel]

Btw those girls were not hot at all, just fat average SG, not the kind you will think young decent looking guys will fuck with

How do you know that?


I'd like to hear the side of the Navy guys. I have yet to hear anything of their side. They haven't even said they are innocent or try to explain anything. They simply refuse to talk. Doesn't look like the acts of an innocent person being caught in the wrong place. If I was falsely accused of such a thing, my first quote would be that I was innocent. They don't even say that. They didn't even want to identify themselves after being arrested.

In all sense they just look guilty. If they are guilty then their acts are of pure insanity. And to think, we have people like this in the military. They don't deserve psychological help, they deserve to get their balls cut off in prison.