Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Scbb1]

This has been discussed before and the other day an article talking about how run down the Zona Norte is and the people and businesses that are frustrated with the lack of money being spent to upgrade it. It also talks of the long wanted bridge connecting Plaza Americas to this area.

Like I said before, Mexicos next president will be a woman so the chances of the Zona getting cleaned up are very high in my opinion.

https://zetatijuana.com/2024/02/indi...ro-de-tijuana/

What makes you think the next President will be a women?

[Phordphan]

Many Mexican's have told me that the Zona is one of the few things that brings in tourist dollars to Tijuana. I hear guys talk all the time visiting HK. When I am in Tijuana I do not see many American's out side o the Zona. All the cartel violence has scared off a lot of tourists.

Many Mexicans who work in the Zona Norte may have told you that. Regular tourism (including the massive number of pochos who patronize the restaurants and clubs), medical tourism, and manufacturing are major sources of foreign exchange, far bigger than the hooker bars. The Zona Norte bars are big fish in a very small pond. You need to get out more.

[Captain Solo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtLiQnXC7sQ

If small poor El Salvador can control its gangs and drastically reduce crimes, why T F can Mexico not control its cartels?

Everyone knows for decades most Mexican government officials, including the top federal officials, are traditionally on cartels' payrolls. They lie to, beat up its own citizens, give good lip services, songs and dances to Washington, but are deep in the cartels' pockets.

[Hargow20]

The number of registered working girls doubled in 2023. This article is hard to believe. Personally I have not seen a uptick. In fact I have seen a decrease. This one security guard friend says that as well.

I keep hoping we see a increase in the number of SG's / SW's. The former tourist minister was saying Tijuana should actually promote prostitution. I think HK is doing a good job. What we need is better looking girls that are reasonably priced in the Zona.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/health...ed-in-4-years/

[Artisttyp]

There is no guarantee that the card will any difference. But it does let cop know that he can be reported and may get into trouble.

I used to carry one I received at an MLB party. Even got it laminated. The few times I was frisked and police saw the card they mentioned to me that the person on the card doesn't work there anymore. Personally I feel my tarjeta Soriana and my Farmacia Gusher 35% discount card with photo ID were more impressive to them.

[BrotherMouzone]

Many Mexican's have told me that the Zona is one of the few things that brings in tourist dollars to Tijuana. I hear guys talk all the time visiting HK. When I am in Tijuana I do not see many American's out side o the Zona. All the cartel violence has scared off a lot of tourists.

Medical tourism alone dwarfs any kind of $$$ Zona Norte brings in. There's WAY more to Tijuana (and Baja California as a whole) than just Zona Norte, we can't just sit here and look at an entire region only through our perspective as mongers, LOL. I see Americans walking up and down and in the bars on Revolucion all the time. I see them sometimes in the various restaurants I like to frequent outside Tijuana. And the dental office I go to every once in a while in Zona Rio (Advanced Smiles) there are always a few Americans when I go to visit.

Agree that the cartel violence (or at least the "image" Tijuana has of persistent, ongoing violence and corruption) has scared off many but the tourist dollars are definitely still there, IMO.

[Hargow20]

Most of the people I see crossing the border are commuting to work and back. There is also a lot of Hispanic's go to visit families. I see far more guys going to visit the Zona.

$57 K per week? That's nothing. Too many guys are afraid of leaving the Zona Norte. Tijuana is not a bunch of dirt roads where the locals are riding burros.

Go east to Otay and look at the dozens of fabricas. They bring in waaaaaaayyy more that a few thousand dollars a week. Let's not forget general tourism. Loads of tourists visit Tijuana to spend money in places other than the Zona Norte. Let's not forget all of the shipping infrastructure. Every day hundreds of semis go through the border carrying all kinds of produce and merchandise.

If the ZN disappeared tomorrow, nobody but a relative handful of people would notice.

[Sol12]

It's an eye sore. Let's be honest. It's like Times Square used to be before Rudy cleaned it up and made it Disney. If a real president with qualifications ever came in, he would shut the whole place down and make it look like the nice part of revolution street.

This has been discussed before and the other day an article talking about how run down the Zona Norte is and the people and businesses that are frustrated with the lack of money being spent to upgrade it. It also talks of the long wanted bridge connecting Plaza Americas to this area.

Like I said before, Mexicos next president will be a woman so the chances of the Zona getting cleaned up are very high in my opinion.

https://zetatijuana.com/2024/02/indi...ro-de-tijuana/

[Hargow20]

There is no guarantee that the card will any difference. But it does let cop know that he can be reported and may get into trouble.

You make valid points. To be fair, I never said the cards themselves were / are an urban legend. My point was that their alleged effects have become something of myth and legend. I was a longtime member of that "other" board and I don't recall any credible reports of a card causing a halt to a search or noticeably better treatment. But I have an open mind, and am certainly willing to be proven wrong. If the stop is completely illegitimate I suppose it could cause them to ease up on the mordida requests. Of course, if it's completely illegitimate, if you stand your ground the cops are likely to go away empty-handed. If it's legit. Open container, DUI, walking around drunk / high, possessing drugs, etc. , the card won't do much.

[Hargow20]

Many Mexican's have told me that the Zona is one of the few things that brings in tourist dollars to Tijuana. I hear guys talk all the time visiting HK. When I am in Tijuana I do not see many American's out side o the Zona. All the cartel violence has scared off a lot of tourists.

$57 K per week? That's nothing. Too many guys are afraid of leaving the Zona Norte. Tijuana is not a bunch of dirt roads where the locals are riding burros.

Go east to Otay and look at the dozens of fabricas. They bring in waaaaaaayyy more that a few thousand dollars a week. Let's not forget general tourism. Loads of tourists visit Tijuana to spend money in places other than the Zona Norte. Let's not forget all of the shipping infrastructure. Every day hundreds of semis go through the border carrying all kinds of produce and merchandise.

If the ZN disappeared tomorrow, nobody but a relative handful of people would notice.

[Hargow20]

The Zona is no worse tn terms of looks other areas run down parts of Tijuana. The drug dealers & sporadic crime is the main issue in the Zona these days. The other factor to remember that prostitution is part of Mexico's culture. Mexican men see hookers quite often.

It's an eye sore. Let's be honest. It's like Times Square used to be before Rudy cleaned it up and made it Disney. If a real president with qualifications ever came in, he would shut the whole place down and make it look like the nice part of revolution street.

[TjBrazil]

The Zona is Tijuana's biggest sources of foreign revenue. !! So it is very unlikely they will outlaw it.

It's an eye sore. Let's be honest. It's like Times Square used to be before Rudy cleaned it up and made it Disney. If a real president with qualifications ever came in, he would shut the whole place down and make it look like the nice part of revolution street.

[Phordphan]

The cards are not an urban legend. They were made by members of another web board that's only demographic was Tijuana. The truth is anyone with a printer and a tiny bit of Desktop Publishing experience can make an updated card from the information and photos posted on the sindacatura. Gob. Mx site.

There may not be any credible reports on this board simply because this board apparently just now heard of the "Sindacatura Card" because I posted about it a few days ago. But there were credible reports on the previous website about being cut loose without being robbed on the other board. Now that being said the Card may. Or may not have been the reason for being cut loose but it definitely helps to let them know if they act out of sorts you do know how to report them.

As for your best bet. 100 % spot on Sir. The end of the day you are a guest in their country. Don't be a jerk, but don't be a simp either. Politely stand your ground and remember that if you are "riding dirty" and you pay your way out of it that it's not a rip off it's actually a benefit to you because chances are the penalty for the actual crime might be a whole lot worse.

You make valid points. To be fair, I never said the cards themselves were / are an urban legend. My point was that their alleged effects have become something of myth and legend. I was a longtime member of that "other" board and I don't recall any credible reports of a card causing a halt to a search or noticeably better treatment. But I have an open mind, and am certainly willing to be proven wrong. If the stop is completely illegitimate I suppose it could cause them to ease up on the mordida requests. Of course, if it's completely illegitimate, if you stand your ground the cops are likely to go away empty-handed. If it's legit. Open container, DUI, walking around drunk / high, possessing drugs, etc. , the card won't do much.

[Phordphan]

It's hard to say. But this one guy that used to work at HK told me that they get 800 customers a day. Now that is probably a high number. Let's remember that is only for one business in the Zona. So even if the number is only $400 and the average customer spends $20. This works out to $8000 a day or $57,000 a week.

$57 K per week? That's nothing. Too many guys are afraid of leaving the Zona Norte. Tijuana is not a bunch of dirt roads where the locals are riding burros.

Go east to Otay and look at the dozens of fabricas. They bring in waaaaaaayyy more that a few thousand dollars a week. Let's not forget general tourism. Loads of tourists visit Tijuana to spend money in places other than the Zona Norte. Let's not forget all of the shipping infrastructure. Every day hundreds of semis go through the border carrying all kinds of produce and merchandise.

If the ZN disappeared tomorrow, nobody but a relative handful of people would notice.

[Hargow20]

It's hard to say. But this one guy that used to work at HK told me that they get 800 customers a day. Now that is probably a high number. Let's remember that is only for one business in the Zona. So even if the number is only $400 and the average customer spends $20. This works out to $8000 a day or $57,000 a week.

I doubt zona is the biggest source of money. Most of that money goes to woman who spend 95% of it in other cities anyway. Probably factories and medical tourism is Tijuana biggest source of income.