Crime, Safety, and the Police

[Sol12]

So the other night when I was walking out of AB and to HK I noticed some bar workers running down the street past La Gloria Bar. They were obviously chasing someone but didn't see police involved so I just thought it was something minor. As I went to enter at the Chavelas door I noticed people tending to a street lady, you know the one that sells gum against the wall and she had blood all over her shirt and looked like she was stabbed. I mean of all the people to harm some poor old lady that just tries to live selling gum. There are some of the things I despise about the Zona and why I can only handle it for 1 night. The following day I noticed an article in some web site talking about how Fentynol, I'm sure I spelled it wrong, is now being found more and more in the Zona and causing overdose deaths to be going up in the area. So hopefully the zone doesn't get to be like LA or NYC with drugged out zombies going around attacking people with no notice.

[Clone8884]

Your premise assumes that an addict who has to stay high all the time can actually hold down a job. If he can't hold down a job, or take care of daily things like paying mortgage, and there is no income, I don't care how cheap the drugs are. He'll be homeless in short order. Unless you're suggesting that we give free houses to addicts.

Then how do you explain the millions of Americans who are prescribed drugs and function normally? They get their drugs and pay a cheap affordable copay and are able to function normal in society. Have you read any of my posts or maybe I need to explain it simpler.

[DramaFree11]

It's a big laugh that addicts can function. Addicts, drugs or gambling, all think they can control their addiction.

Soon they would run out on wives and kids, quit jobs, lose all families and friends, sell off all possession, to buy drugs to feed their addiction.

Just go to Skid Row in LA, San Diego, Las Vegas to see how "functional addicts" function, more like a bunch of crazed, filthy animals or dead zombies, beg, steal, fight, kill for a fix.

Exactly, I was going to comment on this. Maybe some can get away with it for awhile if there drug of choice is alcohol or pot, but sooner or later it will catch up too you, especially if you do any harder drugs.

Now if you are dealing with Psychologist, Social Workers or Drug Alcohol Counselors they think any one that gets drunk on purpose or high occasionally is an addict, it is best to avoid anyone in the mental health field altogether, they are some of the most screwed up people you will ever meet.

[Captain Solo]

It's a big laugh that addicts can function. Addicts, drugs or gambling, all think they can control their addiction.

Soon they would run out on wives and kids, quit jobs, lose all families and friends, sell off all possession, to buy drugs to feed their addiction.

Just go to Skid Row in LA, San Diego, Las Vegas to see how "functional addicts" function, more like a bunch of crazed, filthy animals or dead zombies, beg, steal, fight, kill for a fix.

[Phordphan]

Yes most people do typically lose everything. They are physically dependent and addicted to whatever drug, which leads them to losing their job and then they cannot pay for their fix. So back to my original point, if drugs were legal they would be cheaper. If a daily fix cost $1 or less, the vast majority of people would not be homeless and would be able to function in society. This can be seen in the ultra-wealthy. The ultra-wealthy can live normal lives because they can always afford their habit and afford to avoid homelessness.

Your premise assumes that an addict who has to stay high all the time can actually hold down a job. If he can't hold down a job, or take care of daily things like paying mortgage, and there is no income, I don't care how cheap the drugs are. He'll be homeless in short order. Unless you're suggesting that we give free houses to addicts.

[Clone8884]

High functioning addicts are generally high functioning for a time. It is not a sustainable life style. Whether it's alcohol or Oxy, eventually it will take over your life. Sooner or later you will either find a way to kick it, or you will lose everything, including family, friends, house, income, car, you name it.

There is also a huge difference between being "dependent" on a drug and being "addicted. " You appear to be confusing the two, either through ignorance or perhaps it's deliberate. No matter. All too often the former leads to the latter.

Yes most people do typically lose everything. They are physically dependent and addicted to whatever drug, which leads them to losing their job and then they cannot pay for their fix. So back to my original point, if drugs were legal they would be cheaper. If a daily fix cost $1 or less, the vast majority of people would not be homeless and would be able to function in society. This can be seen in the ultra-wealthy. The ultra-wealthy can live normal lives because they can always afford their habit and afford to avoid homelessness.

[Phordphan]

Forbes just published a cover story about pot legalization and it outcome. Though pot is legal in California, it's not treated as just another business, it's taxed to hell! Turns out, taxes are so high on legal pot, that legal growers and sellers just can't turn a profit. Furthermore, weed is still illegal on a federal level, so legal pot business can't use business expenses as deductibles on their taxes, hence their effective tax rate is up to 60%! That's why the illegal market still exists and thrives.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willyak...h=141fc3564489

Yes, that was kind of my point. Everybody bleats about how great it will be once we legalize drugs because they'll be cheaper and the gov't will get loads of tax money. Win-win. Well, now we see a harbinger of things to come. It's legal, let's tax the snot out of it. How does anybody think this gov't we have now would behave in any other way? Tax the snot out of something and then wonder why nobody wants to pay the tax, everybody finds a way to avoid said tax, and the gov't doesn't get nearly as much revenue as it expected. We've seen it with MJ, and we've seen it with tobacco. But heroin? Well, that will be different. Trust us!

[Phordphan]

Sir, your ignorance of addiction appears to be derived primarily from bad television shows and casual encounters with ZN rateros. To learn some actual facts about how well some addicts can function, you might try Googling "Functional Addicts".

Or check this out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3883816/.

Many people, have you ever been to America? Most people are drugged up here in the States. There are millions of people who are prescribed and addicted to Vicodin and Oxycontin who work normal lives in America.

High functioning addicts are generally high functioning for a time. It is not a sustainable life style. Whether it's alcohol or Oxy, eventually it will take over your life. Sooner or later you will either find a way to kick it, or you will lose everything, including family, friends, house, income, car, you name it.

There is also a huge difference between being "dependent" on a drug and being "addicted. " You appear to be confusing the two, either through ignorance or perhaps it's deliberate. No matter. All too often the former leads to the latter.

[Captain Solo]

Thanks to Frogg to post a good article.

Legalized or not, nobody, no entities, who comply with laws and regulations, can ever compete against lawless, violent organized criminals who operate underground outside of the laws in any activities.

If anyone ever gets close to being able to compete against organized crimes in anything, they will just get whacked. That's how organized crimes compete in the market.

[WombatEd2]

On what planet are drug addicts able to hold down steady jobs and indulge their addiction on their own time?

Sir, your ignorance of addiction appears to be derived primarily from bad television shows and casual encounters with ZN rateros. To learn some actual facts about how well some addicts can function, you might try Googling "Functional Addicts".

Or check this out: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3883816/.

[Frogg]

1. Legalize and take away the market for the cartels. I used to believe this, but then I got mugged by reality. A good example here is that they legalized pot but most of the market is still illicit. The illegal growers don't want to give up their farms, etc, etc. Here's an interesting article from NPR:

https://www.npr.org/2021/11/07/10533...rket-dominates

3. Our benevolent government can make out like bandits with all the taxes collected on drugs. And, of course, all that money will go for benevolent purposes. . . CA's marijuana tax collections have not met projections. The industry hates the taxes, and Newsom actually just signed a tax relief bill in June for marijuana growers that will eliminate the cultivation tax. So, already we're cutting back on pot tax. And look at the retail side. The illegal producers pay ZERO taxes, and can pass that savings on to the consumer, or keep it, or whatever. So, the cartels still have reason to exist. And do we have the political will to run in and stamp out illegal farms, much like the Revenuers did in the Tennessee Hills?

Forbes just published a cover story about pot legalization and it outcome. Though pot is legal in California, it's not treated as just another business, it's taxed to hell! Turns out, taxes are so high on legal pot, that legal growers and sellers just can't turn a profit. Furthermore, weed is still illegal on a federal level, so legal pot business can't use business expenses as deductibles on their taxes, hence their effective tax rate is up to 60%! That's why the illegal market still exists and thrives.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willyak...h=141fc3564489

[Clone8884]

On what planet are drug addicts able to hold down steady jobs and indulge their addiction on their own time?

By definition, an addict is being controlled by something he has no power over. And addict is not a recreational user. An addict is, well, addicted. If they could control it they wouldn't be addicts, would they?

Maybe it's different on your planet, but here in Realville, addicts have to spend every waking moment looking for that high, or being high. There is no time for working, paying the mortgage, dropping the kids off at school, and attending the PTA. If drugs are cheaper they'll just be able to get high more often. There's a reason so very many live in the street.

Many people, have you ever been to America? Most people are drugged up here in the States. There are millions of people who are prescribed and addicted to Vicodin and Oxycontin who work normal lives in America.

[Dirty8851]

Check Youtube for reports on the filthy, lawless scenes of crazy homeless drug addicts in cities like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, LOS Angeles, San Diego.

95% homeless people are drugs addicts, taking over private and public properties, living on the streets, trashing, peeing, pooping everywhere, shooting drugs in public, threatening, assaulting home, business owners and LEs, causing all kinds of crimes, health hazards and fire ect. Drugs addicts and criminals have taken over these cities and local governments don't have enough will and resources to get rid of them. They are not producing anything for society, only harming it, and should be kept away.

I was driving on Freeway 5 downwind past the homeless camp next to flood channel at Angel stadium, all trashed up. The stench of urine and feces was unbearable half a mile away, left alone living full time next to it. Horton Plaza used to be an upscale, nice, clean, beautiful place to shop. Sad to know it has been taken over by homeless addicts.

Countries in Asia have very strict laws with severe punishments and powerful enforcement against drugs addicts, dealers and traffickers, who are regularly executed. That's the only way to deter drugs taking over and destroying peoples and countries. Obamacare has been paying billions to cushy rehabs facilities and halfway houses that don't seem to work. Addicts keep cycling in and out of rehabs, making very lucrative business for operators and healthcare industry.

Drugs addiction is a communicable disease and a crime, not a choice. Addicts and dealers are criminals, grave threats to themselves and to society and should be isolated from the population until they are rehabilitated. Unless they are kept away from the population they will spread drugs use and hook our children on drugs. Ship them out to a camp in the middle of the desert and make them work to produce their own food. The Channel island is uninhabited, a good place to hold them. They can grow their own food and whatever they want to smoke.

Using drugs should be a crime. Give them a choice, living drugs free or joining the rest of the addicts in special isolated "resorts" where they can be treated and rehabilitated.

Unfortunately they are too worried about prostitution and parlors. It's a joke.

[Captain Solo]

Check Youtube for reports on the filthy, lawless scenes of crazy homeless drug addicts in cities like Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, LOS Angeles, San Diego.

95% homeless people are drugs addicts, taking over private and public properties, living on the streets, trashing, peeing, pooping everywhere, shooting drugs in public, threatening, assaulting home, business owners and LEs, causing all kinds of crimes, health hazards and fire ect. Drugs addicts and criminals have taken over these cities and local governments don't have enough will and resources to get rid of them. They are not producing anything for society, only harming it, and should be kept away.

I was driving on Freeway 5 downwind past the homeless camp next to flood channel at Angel stadium, all trashed up. The stench of urine and feces was unbearable half a mile away, left alone living full time next to it. Horton Plaza used to be an upscale, nice, clean, beautiful place to shop. Sad to know it has been taken over by homeless addicts.

Countries in Asia have very strict laws with severe punishments and powerful enforcement against drugs addicts, dealers and traffickers, who are regularly executed. That's the only way to deter drugs taking over and destroying peoples and countries. Obamacare has been paying billions to cushy rehabs facilities and halfway houses that don't seem to work. Addicts keep cycling in and out of rehabs, making very lucrative business for operators and healthcare industry.

Drugs addiction is a communicable disease and a crime, not a choice. Addicts and dealers are criminals, grave threats to themselves and to society and should be isolated from the population until they are rehabilitated. Unless they are kept away from the population they will spread drugs use and hook our children on drugs. Ship them out to a camp in the middle of the desert and make them work to produce their own food. The Channel island is uninhabited, a good place to hold them. They can grow their own food and whatever they want to smoke.

Using drugs should be a crime. Give them a choice, living drugs free or joining the rest of the addicts in special isolated "resorts" where they can be treated and rehabilitated.

[SeaBeeJoe]

"Free Meth and Weed if you vote for me, Gavin Newsom", which I am sure is around the corner in Crazyfornia.

Then make the taxpayer pay for it LOLOLOL!