Crime, Safety, and the Police

[SeaBeeJoe]

It was a hypothetical question and being that you were previously married to a girl in Tijuana I would imagine back in a time that you were in love if she called you and was scared that you would do your best to go be by her side.
I'm definitely not trying to pretend to be some tough guy but I get irritated by people trying to control me. Where does it stop? It goes back to nature and are fight or flight instincts. Another example I would give is after 9/11 I'm sure those in New York had some hesitation to go back to normal but had that happened then the terrorists would have really won. So some went back to doing the things as normal and others followed because most people just follow what others do. So if all of Tijuana or Mexico in general doesn't stand up to the Cartels they will take over more. I remember reading a story that in Michoacán that some regular citizens have joined together to fight back against the Cartels. Now in that part of Mexico the Cartels are much more powerful, so who knows how successful they will be but at least they aren't slaves to the Cartels.

No man you didn't strike anything and you weren't the original poster it is Marksofmagic who talked about his friend in Tijuana hunkering down with his girl sheltering in place. Look it get it people do stupid shit for love, lack of common sense and all that. Hypothetically I would never involve myself romantically anymore to a working girl, too much drama and who know who their associates are not to mention other johns. Anyways you seem like a person who likes to cause drama and post Hypothetical ideas. Common Sense if someplace is a dangerous stay the fuck out of there until it calms down, if you have loved ones there then advice them to shelter in place for get the fuck out too. Not too difficult to figure out Hypothetically speaking that is. "So if all of Tijuana or Mexico in general doesn't stand up to the Cartels they will take over more". I agree but the average citizen can't defend themselves, they aren't allowed to carry firearms for personal protection. Unless you in the military, police, politician, or wealthy LOL. Here is a link to their constitution on Gun Rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firear...tion_in_Mexico#text=Constitutional%20 rights,-Three%20 major%20 events&text=(translation)%20 Article%2010%3 A%20 Every, those%20 who%20 would%20 carry%20 them. Unless the Mexican Government is willing to change and allow their citizen to arm and defend themselves they will always be victims to the cartels. That and getting rid of the deep corruption in their federal and local governments. But this is all Hypothetical.

[DramaFree11]

Cartels don't have to get into any business, invest in or run them. Their hitmen just have to show their guns and knives, torture and murder a few people as warnings then skim off the cash from businesses, in effect taxing every business in Mexico. Even street vendors have to pay cartels' protection tax. Lucrative bars like HK have been paying cartels heavy taxes for protection. In reality, the cartels are running the whole country of Mexico and her people, taxing them heavily while the government has not been able to collect much taxes for its operation.

In the news recently, Sinaloa cartel allegedly ratted out CJNG and its LOS Erres operatives for a shipment of drugs and a meeting of their leaders. Policias busted the shipment and arrested them, handed the leader to Sinaloa cartel. The guy was found with signs of torture with his head chopped off. CJNG is pissed off at the government and of course, their competitor, Sinaloa cartel, and ordered violence ni multiple municipalities to demand their releases.

Cartels have money, manpower and massive firepower in a power struggle against a weak, ineffective, unreliable government corrupt at all levels, vastly distrusted by its population. Violence will escalate until one side clearly wins the war. I hate to predict which side will win.

The US should eradicate demands for drugs by penalizing and cleaning up her drug users population and severely punishing drug dealers. Isolate drug users from the population and make them work to produce their own food until they give up drugs.

Until the demand dries up in America, the Cartels will continue to thrive. Hopefully America will reach a tipping point and realize that drugs are bad and there should be zero tolerance, the problem is out of control and is getting worse by the day.

I wish legalizing drugs will solve the problem, but it will only make the problem worse. Unfortunately things will get worse before better.

[Captain Solo]

The good news is, Colombia once wrecked by violence and terrorism by drug cartels and guys like Pablo Escobar, eventually won over, eliminated the violent cartels and restored law and order to the country. The US gov and DEA / CIA were players in that struggle. The country is still heavily involving in drugs production and trafficking, but at least violence has subsided and the government seems to have control.

Mexico should learn lessons from Colombia.

El Capitan is available as a consultant for long-term research programs of problems and solutions in both Mexico and Colombia, especially in major locations like Medellin, Bogota, Cartagena. Food is so bad in Colombia, good for those who want to lose weight. Ship all US women to Colombia for a year for them to lose weight and learn how to be sexy and attractive.

[Jackie888]

In every organization, there is a brains group, and there is a muscle group that does the enforcement. What scares me most about Mexico is that the local police is often the enforcement arm of its local Cartel. So the police is the cartel in many regions of Mexico. While they may be called the police, they take orders and wage war under the orders of their cartels.

This is why years ago when the Military went into Tijuana to fight the Tijuana Cartel, the first thing that the military did was to disarm the Tijuana police. And while the Tijuana police protested and griped, the military basically told the Tijuana police to go fuck themselves because they were really cartel.

Frankly, I think that we can debate a possible solution for weeks, but when we factor reality into our solutions, we will end up with a solution that is the current status. Yeah people can find a perfect solution, but who are we convince to enforce that solution? The police who is really part of the cartel?

[Captain Solo]

Cartels don't have to get into any business, invest in or run them. Their hitmen just have to show their guns and knives, torture and murder a few people as warnings then skim off the cash from businesses, in effect taxing every business in Mexico. Even street vendors have to pay cartels' protection tax. Lucrative bars like HK have been paying cartels heavy taxes for protection. In reality, the cartels are running the whole country of Mexico and her people, taxing them heavily while the government has not been able to collect much taxes for its operation.

In the news recently, Sinaloa cartel allegedly ratted out CJNG and its LOS Erres operatives for a shipment of drugs and a meeting of their leaders. Policias busted the shipment and arrested them, handed the leader to Sinaloa cartel. The guy was found with signs of torture with his head chopped off. CJNG is pissed off at the government and of course, their competitor, Sinaloa cartel, and ordered violence ni multiple municipalities to demand their releases.

Cartels have money, manpower and massive firepower in a power struggle against a weak, ineffective, unreliable government corrupt at all levels, vastly distrusted by its population. Violence will escalate until one side clearly wins the war. I hate to predict which side will win.

The US should eradicate demands for drugs by penalizing and cleaning up her drug users population and severely punishing drug dealers. Isolate drug users from the population and make them work to produce their own food until they give up drugs.

[LuvMexicanas]

That will do nothing about their number one, most profitable market. The USA. The profits from legally selling drugs in Mexico would pale next to the profits.

I claim only a possible solution, let those addicts just come buy their goods in Mexico. (adding legal delivery services / runners. Think Uber for drugs. Decreased prices (less transportation loss) . They already keep thousands of pharmacy's. Busy. Any new idea takes time.

New York is really far from Mexico so is Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Seattle and the list goes on and on of cities full of addicts who can't just magically come buy their shit in Mexico.

[DonCarlos1234]

That will do nothing about their number one, most profitable market. The USA. The profits from legally selling drugs in Mexico would pale next to the profits from illegally smuggling drugs into the USA. And the Mexican gov't would be hard pressed to tax that income.

That will do nothing about their number one, most profitable market. The USA. The profits from legally selling drugs in Mexico would pale next to the profits.

I claim only a possible solution, let those addicts just come buy their goods in Mexico. (adding legal delivery services / runners. Think Uber for drugs. Decreased prices (less transportation loss) . They already keep thousands of pharmacy's. Busy. Any new idea takes time.

[Captain Solo]

Travv may have good final solutions for homeless meth heads and drugs addicts camping out, taking over cities, doing crimes in San Francisco, LOS Angeles, San Diego.

Will vote for him for the governor job. He also has the mandate to bring in tens thousand hot, horny young girls who would do sex for free.

Two major vigilante groups operated in San Francisco, California, one occurring in 1851 and the other in 1856, both of which arose during the California Gold Rush in response to avid crime, government corruption, and prejudice against the immigrants. These two militia-style groups lynched 12 people, kidnapped hundreds of others, and forced several elected officials to resign. Each Committee of Vigilance formally relinquished power after deciding the city had been "cleaned up. ".

. . When the young city was incapable of handling the disorder and mayhem on what began to be called the "Barbary Coast," San Francisco merchants established the "Committee of Vigilance" in 1851. Meeting in secret, the 700-member group drew up bylaws. It soon announced that San Francisco's elected government was incapable of protecting the life and property of the city's citizens and claimed that role for itself.

The committee, believing that Australian immigrants were responsible for much of the city's crime, immediately began to prevent them from landing in San Francisco and deporting more than two dozen others. Their justice was swift and sure, hanging four men accused of murder. Word of their deeds of lynching and excommunicating criminals spread fast, and San Francisco's crime rate declined rapidly. Their unprecedented success made them heroes throughout the west, spawning vigilante groups in numerous other locations. Their mission was complete; the first organized group of San Francisco was formally disbanded by the end of 1852. Law enforcement returned to the elected authorities, all of which just happened to be former committee members.

1856 Vigilantes In 1856, San Francisco was entirely under the control of its famous Vigilance Committee, a determined band of citizens that held the city under firm rule. When the Vigilance Committee was formed, the conditions of the city's outgrowth had caused widespread municipal corruption by a gang of organized political plunderers. Operating in their own individual best interests, the city government held control of San Francisco at the expense of the honest and respectable citizens of the city. . .

Full article: https://www.legendsofamerica.com/san...co-vigilantes/.

[Cocr Brotheler]

War Zones, Conflict Zones etc. Very very very good for desperate women seeking stability whether it P4 P, marriage / partnerships.

If Tijuana total bliss peaceful heaven on earth then no good sexy times there!

"Yeah I've always been saying the danger in Mexico and Tijuana is the only thing keeping it from turning into west coasts Florida." Exacto! We need wars/conflicts etc. to keep the P4P prices reasonable.

[Travv]

Two major vigilante groups operated in San Francisco, California, one occurring in 1851 and the other in 1856, both of which arose during the California Gold Rush in response to avid crime, government corruption, and prejudice against the immigrants. These two militia-style groups lynched 12 people, kidnapped hundreds of others, and forced several elected officials to resign. Each Committee of Vigilance formally relinquished power after deciding the city had been "cleaned up. ".

. . When the young city was incapable of handling the disorder and mayhem on what began to be called the "Barbary Coast," San Francisco merchants established the "Committee of Vigilance" in 1851. Meeting in secret, the 700-member group drew up bylaws. It soon announced that San Francisco's elected government was incapable of protecting the life and property of the city's citizens and claimed that role for itself.

The committee, believing that Australian immigrants were responsible for much of the city's crime, immediately began to prevent them from landing in San Francisco and deporting more than two dozen others. Their justice was swift and sure, hanging four men accused of murder. Word of their deeds of lynching and excommunicating criminals spread fast, and San Francisco's crime rate declined rapidly. Their unprecedented success made them heroes throughout the west, spawning vigilante groups in numerous other locations. Their mission was complete; the first organized group of San Francisco was formally disbanded by the end of 1852. Law enforcement returned to the elected authorities, all of which just happened to be former committee members.

1856 Vigilantes – In 1856, San Francisco was entirely under the control of its famous Vigilance Committee, a determined band of citizens that held the city under firm rule. When the Vigilance Committee was formed, the conditions of the city's outgrowth had caused widespread municipal corruption by a gang of organized political plunderers. Operating in their own individual best interests, the city government held control of San Francisco at the expense of the honest and respectable citizens of the city. . .

Full article: https://www.legendsofamerica.com/san...co-vigilantes/.

Who needs "incorruptible" I believe that citizen "vigilantes" were allowed to "off" drug dealers. No questions asked. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/19/...ante-violence. I am sure a lot of street criminals were also victims. Not a civilized solution. In fact I witnessed a man shot in the back ally below HK by one of the dealers. Trying to run away.

[WombatEd2]

Congrats, Ed. You win the Reductio ad Hitlerum award for playing the Nazi card the quickest.

Actually, I think Travv gets the credit for that one. Perhaps it was a bit too subtle for you.

[Phordphan]

Who needs "incorruptible" I believe that citizen "vigilantes" were allowed to "off" drug dealers. No questions asked. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/19/...ante-violence. I am sure a lot of street criminals were also victims. Not a civilized solution. In fact I witnessed a man shot in the back ally below HK by one of the dealers. Trying to run away.

At that point you no longer have a functioning society, but simple anarchy. If anybody can shoot down anybody else, no questions asked, then you may as well fold up the flag and turn out the lights. You now have the law of the jungle. At least a ruthless dictator represents some form of civilized government.

[Phordphan]

I consider MX my 2nd home. I love it, the people. The beaches. A lot of things (too many gringos however) In spite of many incidents I continue to visit. LEGALISING drugs and giving licenses to sell drugs legitimately to cartel members and people in prison will end all this. Try it in one city first. LOL More tax revenue! That government officials can steal the tax revenues like they already do and the MX people can live peaceably. I hate admitting this but the danger does add to the allure of MX. And keeps prices down. If this keeps up a lot of the new SoCal settlers will leave.

That will do nothing about their number one, most profitable market. The USA. The profits from legally selling drugs in Mexico would pale next to the profits from illegally smuggling drugs into the USA. And the Mexican gov't would be hard pressed to tax that income.

[DonCarlos1234]

You're probably right, but there is no "non-corrupt" institution in Mexico that could be an effective incorruptible dictator. The politicians mostly "rule" with the permission of the cartels. The various police departments are equally corrupt. I'm not sure the military is beyond corruption.

But, for the sake of argument, let's say we could install a Pinochet. He couldn't personally do all the dirty work, he'd need some form of muscle.

But what do I know?

Who needs "incorruptible" I believe that citizen "vigilantes" were allowed to "off" drug dealers. No questions asked. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/19/...ante-violence. I am sure a lot of street criminals were also victims. Not a civilized solution. In fact I witnessed a man shot in the back ally below HK by one of the dealers. Trying to run away.

[Dogers69]

I consider MX my 2nd home. I love it, the people. The beaches. A lot of things (too many gringos however) In spite of many incidents I continue to visit. LEGALISING drugs and giving licenses to sell drugs legitimately to cartel members and people in prison will end all this. Try it in one city first. LOL More tax revenue! That government officials can steal the tax revenues like they already do and the MX people can live peaceably. I hate admitting this but the danger does add to the allure of MX. And keeps prices down. If this keeps up a lot of the new SoCal settlers will leave.

Yeah I've always been saying the danger in Mexico and Tijuana is the only thing keeping it from turning into west coasts Florida. But the Tijuana population skyrocketed anyway with its own citizens to the point its 2nd biggest city in Mexico. I used to view Tijuana as some outpost that nobody likes or visits, like Buffalo NY or San Isidro. But now it's the 2nd biggest city. The problem with the cartel really isn't the drugs. They have their hands in every business from what I understand. People talk about cartel "drug" wars. These guys are fighting for every business in Mexico. That's why I say they run he country. The drugs are just 1 aspect of their operation. Everybody has to respect them and do what they want or they disappear. To me that's running the country.