Crime, Safety, and the Police

[LuvMexicanas]

That will do nothing about their number one, most profitable market. The USA. The profits from legally selling drugs in Mexico would pale next to the profits.

I claim only a possible solution, let those addicts just come buy their goods in Mexico. (adding legal delivery services / runners. Think Uber for drugs. Decreased prices (less transportation loss) . They already keep thousands of pharmacy's. Busy. Any new idea takes time.

New York is really far from Mexico so is Chicago, Detroit, Boston, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Seattle and the list goes on and on of cities full of addicts who can't just magically come buy their shit in Mexico.

[DonCarlos1234]

That will do nothing about their number one, most profitable market. The USA. The profits from legally selling drugs in Mexico would pale next to the profits from illegally smuggling drugs into the USA. And the Mexican gov't would be hard pressed to tax that income.

That will do nothing about their number one, most profitable market. The USA. The profits from legally selling drugs in Mexico would pale next to the profits.

I claim only a possible solution, let those addicts just come buy their goods in Mexico. (adding legal delivery services / runners. Think Uber for drugs. Decreased prices (less transportation loss) . They already keep thousands of pharmacy's. Busy. Any new idea takes time.

[Captain Solo]

Travv may have good final solutions for homeless meth heads and drugs addicts camping out, taking over cities, doing crimes in San Francisco, LOS Angeles, San Diego.

Will vote for him for the governor job. He also has the mandate to bring in tens thousand hot, horny young girls who would do sex for free.

Two major vigilante groups operated in San Francisco, California, one occurring in 1851 and the other in 1856, both of which arose during the California Gold Rush in response to avid crime, government corruption, and prejudice against the immigrants. These two militia-style groups lynched 12 people, kidnapped hundreds of others, and forced several elected officials to resign. Each Committee of Vigilance formally relinquished power after deciding the city had been "cleaned up. ".

. . When the young city was incapable of handling the disorder and mayhem on what began to be called the "Barbary Coast," San Francisco merchants established the "Committee of Vigilance" in 1851. Meeting in secret, the 700-member group drew up bylaws. It soon announced that San Francisco's elected government was incapable of protecting the life and property of the city's citizens and claimed that role for itself.

The committee, believing that Australian immigrants were responsible for much of the city's crime, immediately began to prevent them from landing in San Francisco and deporting more than two dozen others. Their justice was swift and sure, hanging four men accused of murder. Word of their deeds of lynching and excommunicating criminals spread fast, and San Francisco's crime rate declined rapidly. Their unprecedented success made them heroes throughout the west, spawning vigilante groups in numerous other locations. Their mission was complete; the first organized group of San Francisco was formally disbanded by the end of 1852. Law enforcement returned to the elected authorities, all of which just happened to be former committee members.

1856 Vigilantes In 1856, San Francisco was entirely under the control of its famous Vigilance Committee, a determined band of citizens that held the city under firm rule. When the Vigilance Committee was formed, the conditions of the city's outgrowth had caused widespread municipal corruption by a gang of organized political plunderers. Operating in their own individual best interests, the city government held control of San Francisco at the expense of the honest and respectable citizens of the city. . .

Full article: https://www.legendsofamerica.com/san...co-vigilantes/.

[Cocr Brotheler]

War Zones, Conflict Zones etc. Very very very good for desperate women seeking stability whether it P4 P, marriage / partnerships.

If Tijuana total bliss peaceful heaven on earth then no good sexy times there!

"Yeah I've always been saying the danger in Mexico and Tijuana is the only thing keeping it from turning into west coasts Florida." Exacto! We need wars/conflicts etc. to keep the P4P prices reasonable.

[Travv]

Two major vigilante groups operated in San Francisco, California, one occurring in 1851 and the other in 1856, both of which arose during the California Gold Rush in response to avid crime, government corruption, and prejudice against the immigrants. These two militia-style groups lynched 12 people, kidnapped hundreds of others, and forced several elected officials to resign. Each Committee of Vigilance formally relinquished power after deciding the city had been "cleaned up. ".

. . When the young city was incapable of handling the disorder and mayhem on what began to be called the "Barbary Coast," San Francisco merchants established the "Committee of Vigilance" in 1851. Meeting in secret, the 700-member group drew up bylaws. It soon announced that San Francisco's elected government was incapable of protecting the life and property of the city's citizens and claimed that role for itself.

The committee, believing that Australian immigrants were responsible for much of the city's crime, immediately began to prevent them from landing in San Francisco and deporting more than two dozen others. Their justice was swift and sure, hanging four men accused of murder. Word of their deeds of lynching and excommunicating criminals spread fast, and San Francisco's crime rate declined rapidly. Their unprecedented success made them heroes throughout the west, spawning vigilante groups in numerous other locations. Their mission was complete; the first organized group of San Francisco was formally disbanded by the end of 1852. Law enforcement returned to the elected authorities, all of which just happened to be former committee members.

1856 Vigilantes – In 1856, San Francisco was entirely under the control of its famous Vigilance Committee, a determined band of citizens that held the city under firm rule. When the Vigilance Committee was formed, the conditions of the city's outgrowth had caused widespread municipal corruption by a gang of organized political plunderers. Operating in their own individual best interests, the city government held control of San Francisco at the expense of the honest and respectable citizens of the city. . .

Full article: https://www.legendsofamerica.com/san...co-vigilantes/.

Who needs "incorruptible" I believe that citizen "vigilantes" were allowed to "off" drug dealers. No questions asked. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/19/...ante-violence. I am sure a lot of street criminals were also victims. Not a civilized solution. In fact I witnessed a man shot in the back ally below HK by one of the dealers. Trying to run away.

[WombatEd2]

Congrats, Ed. You win the Reductio ad Hitlerum award for playing the Nazi card the quickest.

Actually, I think Travv gets the credit for that one. Perhaps it was a bit too subtle for you.

[Phordphan]

Who needs "incorruptible" I believe that citizen "vigilantes" were allowed to "off" drug dealers. No questions asked. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/19/...ante-violence. I am sure a lot of street criminals were also victims. Not a civilized solution. In fact I witnessed a man shot in the back ally below HK by one of the dealers. Trying to run away.

At that point you no longer have a functioning society, but simple anarchy. If anybody can shoot down anybody else, no questions asked, then you may as well fold up the flag and turn out the lights. You now have the law of the jungle. At least a ruthless dictator represents some form of civilized government.

[Phordphan]

I consider MX my 2nd home. I love it, the people. The beaches. A lot of things (too many gringos however) In spite of many incidents I continue to visit. LEGALISING drugs and giving licenses to sell drugs legitimately to cartel members and people in prison will end all this. Try it in one city first. LOL More tax revenue! That government officials can steal the tax revenues like they already do and the MX people can live peaceably. I hate admitting this but the danger does add to the allure of MX. And keeps prices down. If this keeps up a lot of the new SoCal settlers will leave.

That will do nothing about their number one, most profitable market. The USA. The profits from legally selling drugs in Mexico would pale next to the profits from illegally smuggling drugs into the USA. And the Mexican gov't would be hard pressed to tax that income.

[DonCarlos1234]

You're probably right, but there is no "non-corrupt" institution in Mexico that could be an effective incorruptible dictator. The politicians mostly "rule" with the permission of the cartels. The various police departments are equally corrupt. I'm not sure the military is beyond corruption.

But, for the sake of argument, let's say we could install a Pinochet. He couldn't personally do all the dirty work, he'd need some form of muscle.

But what do I know?

Who needs "incorruptible" I believe that citizen "vigilantes" were allowed to "off" drug dealers. No questions asked. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/19/...ante-violence. I am sure a lot of street criminals were also victims. Not a civilized solution. In fact I witnessed a man shot in the back ally below HK by one of the dealers. Trying to run away.

[Dogers69]

I consider MX my 2nd home. I love it, the people. The beaches. A lot of things (too many gringos however) In spite of many incidents I continue to visit. LEGALISING drugs and giving licenses to sell drugs legitimately to cartel members and people in prison will end all this. Try it in one city first. LOL More tax revenue! That government officials can steal the tax revenues like they already do and the MX people can live peaceably. I hate admitting this but the danger does add to the allure of MX. And keeps prices down. If this keeps up a lot of the new SoCal settlers will leave.

Yeah I've always been saying the danger in Mexico and Tijuana is the only thing keeping it from turning into west coasts Florida. But the Tijuana population skyrocketed anyway with its own citizens to the point its 2nd biggest city in Mexico. I used to view Tijuana as some outpost that nobody likes or visits, like Buffalo NY or San Isidro. But now it's the 2nd biggest city. The problem with the cartel really isn't the drugs. They have their hands in every business from what I understand. People talk about cartel "drug" wars. These guys are fighting for every business in Mexico. That's why I say they run he country. The drugs are just 1 aspect of their operation. Everybody has to respect them and do what they want or they disappear. To me that's running the country.

[DonCarlos1234]

Cartels, likely CJNG, started attacking civilians, burning cars, blocking roads, holding Tijuana and other border cities hostage. They demand the government release their leaders, presumably El Mencho's wife. They imposed curfew and are holding the entire cities hostage.

Tijuana's mayor was desperate, pleading with cartels to collect debts among themselves and leave civilians alone. But the debts are now with the government for arresting their leaders.

In official news, 3,000 Army and Guardia Nationale troops were sent to Tijuana to reinforce 2,000 troops and policias already in place. It's a massive mobilization with troops, heavy armament, armored vehicles ect for a full-scale war, enough to completely obliterate the entire city. But the cartel is fighting an asymmetric, guerrilla war, burning cars, blocking roads, intimidating the population. Not sure regular troops can catch or kill any cartel members and its leaders. They are unlikely to hide in Tijuana.

War will kill a lot of people and destroy lots of properties. Good investigative and undercover policias work may be more effective. Looks like Mexico knows who and where cartels' leaders are, how they produce drugs and hide their money. The government just have to be serious about doing the right things to enforce the laws.

I consider MX my 2nd home. I love it, the people. The beaches. A lot of things (too many gringos however) In spite of many incidents I continue to visit. LEGALISING drugs and giving licenses to sell drugs legitimately to cartel members and people in prison will end all this. Try it in one city first. LOL More tax revenue! That government officials can steal the tax revenues like they already do and the MX people can live peaceably. I hate admitting this but the danger does add to the allure of MX. And keeps prices down. If this keeps up a lot of the new SoCal settlers will leave.

[Phordphan]

The Saudis and Red Chinese have chosen to punish the criminals instead of letting the criminals form massive gangs and rule the roost and victimize the innocent public, as in Mexico. If the criminals are afraid of being punished, so much the better if it saves an innocent person from being attacked. The recidivism rate of criminals is approximately zero in Saudi Arabia and China. Hard to commit more crimes if you have been executed. Mexico could not go wrong with putting Duterte or Alberto Fujimori in charge. No hugs for criminals from these strong leaders with a proven track record of getting criminals and terrorists under control in order to protect the public.

You're probably right, but there is no "non-corrupt" institution in Mexico that could be an effective incorruptible dictator. The politicians mostly "rule" with the permission of the cartels. The various police departments are equally corrupt. I'm not sure the military is beyond corruption.

But, for the sake of argument, let's say we could install a Pinochet. He couldn't personally do all the dirty work, he'd need some form of muscle. Could he raise, equip, train, etc. , such a force? Would it be effective against the cartels with their practically unlimited budget and tacit assistance from the USA and probably other Western countries? I refuse to believe that there isn't a ton of American government employees on the cartels' payroll, to one degree of another. And imagine the problems Uncle Sam would have if our Pinochet were successful. Loads and loads of American drug users, both street addicts and upscale recreational, would be deprived. I suspect this would result in panic in the streets. The appetite for drugs in this country is so strong, I suspect we'd be knocking on Mexico's door begging them to reinstate at least one or two cartels.

But what do I know?

[Phordphan]

Hitler's methods were similarly efficient.

Congrats, Ed. You win the Reductio ad Hitlerum award for playing the Nazi card the quickest.

[TjBrazil]

During the days of Expo Eeotica. Worked a booth there for Screaming O. All the clubs, many resorts and adult products were there. Hjktj was there. She met a cartel member. Liked the "danger" aspect, deluded into hanging out with them. Now dead. Was not the only girl who danced with the devil. A lot of them do. They like the drugs & the $.

I remember many years ago a girl in Chicago club told me her friend was killed by the cartel. They offered her 1000 to come to their house. She didn't think anything would happen since they were rich. They had sex with her all night and then slashed her throat when they were done. We need to build 2 walls around the border to keep these savages out.

[Travv]

The Saudis and Red Chinese have chosen to punish the criminals instead of letting the criminals form massive gangs and rule the roost and victimize the innocent public, as in Mexico. If the criminals are afraid of being punished, so much the better if it saves an innocent person from being attacked. The recidivism rate of criminals is approximately zero in Saudi Arabia and China. Hard to commit more crimes if you have been executed. Mexico could not go wrong with putting Duterte or Alberto Fujimori in charge. No hugs for criminals from these strong leaders with a proven track record of getting criminals and terrorists under control in order to protect the public.

Hitler's methods were similarly efficient.