Traveler and Skinless Discussions

[Skinless]

well said sa. 20 year expereince in thai - fucking ****d children. i think freeler wants personal details on el sicko traveller from you so he can have el sicko arrested..

sainter: no needfor racist japan bashing. japan has now very strong anti child prostitution laws and many jmen have been busted and jailed over the last 3 years for doing what el sicko traveller does. the biggest child prostitution scene now is on the german czech border. ask traveller for details.

[Skinless]

Traveller: You are a criminal. You broke Thailand's Child Prostitution laws on many occasions. You lied about people PM ing you. The rest of your bs is irrelevant. You belong in jail. Period.

[Samus Aran]

traveler:

the problem with you is that you are always trying to prove yourself better than the rest of us. example, you boast about the profits you make in the stock market. or, your fluencey in thai. moreover your experience in thailand and how only you get the prettiest girls and how all of them think your hansum. also, that they love only you. you have a tendency to put yourself above the rest.

sa can do it but you can't. you have not developed your character. stick with what you know ( which is little) and don't go around insisting that you are the best lover in thailand. join the rest of us in just providing good stories and info, not babble about **** girls and how you shtoop thme unwillingly. man, you should keep that shit to yourself.

samus aran

[Pauline Hanson]

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[The Traveler]

final clarification- statement

bil :
i am just back because a member of this board urged me to post what we were talking about via pm, so please save your comment :d

first i like to state that we obviously all agree that [CodeWord127] and ****s are the lowest sort of living creatures in this universe. ****s are sick and need treatment and should be punished very hard. nobody here has any sympathy for them. period

furthermore i prefer girls in the range of 20-25yrs old. they are more experienced, mature, better to talk too, got more style and keep you out of trouble with the authorities. oh yes, i find them more sexy, because their body is better developed. my pics prove that statement. period


skinless and freeler :
you always like to ignore some parts of my statements which do not favour your point of view and repeat the ones who do. see and quote them in the whole context. why are both of you so bossy, ignorant and snotty ? you like to draw a perfect picture of yourself, targeting only women. 19yr old women ? due to your definition everyone under the age of 18 is a kid, but suddenly at midnight of their 18th birthday they turn into adults (women). isn't there any stage in between ? being an adult means to have some sort of experience and being mature. how do they get it in that magic second ? real life is much more complex than just repeating those wrongly interpreted self made definitions. anyway, it took you and freeler almost 3 weeks to find out that you have to protect those girls and start that flame war. what took you so long ? proper argumentation and a rational approach like most others did would have fitted both of you much more.. you are definitely capable of that. come back to earth, you are much smarter than that.

i always found people like the both of you who do not analyze their own behaviour and criticize themselves extremely dangerous because they won't learn from their mistakes, always believing they don't do them and therefor repeat them again and again. can you say with 100% certainty that you never ever had been fooled by an ****d ? be honest !


regarding ids :
as i said a thousand times, i asked for their age and they lied about it. i asked for their ids to confirm their age but they lied again saying they forgot them at home or is with a relative. so i asked others at the bar who confirmed their age.
i asked before ! got it this time ?

due to my payment habits - i put money in their purse instead putting it in jeans or paying upfront - i found their id after the fact. should i have searched them for their id or drugs before i picked them ? do you or anybody else act like this ? not knowing that you fuck an ****d doesn't mean it did not happen !

the only difference between me and others is, that i was stupid enough to be honest and admitted that mistake. if i would have kept quiet or would have lied about it we wouldn't have that thread and everything would be fine. but it still would have happened !

let's not forget, we are talking about the ones i accidentally picked and not all the others i rejected !
so do not call me a ****, my pictures prove that i prefer legal aged girls and i am not after ****d !

my assumption that the members of this forum were mature persons who will discuss a serious matter with the seriousness it deserves, exchanging arguments without flaming, being rational and objective was wrong. most did, but a few exceptions.


skinless you do not know the facts, only i do, so based on what evidence you call me a liar ?
freeler, as far as i know that member of the forum with the raped girl-friend already confirmed it to you. do you still call me a liar too ?


at least here is a quote of the messages i exchanged via pm with that member and which i was urged to post :

traveler wrote :
"i learned from that discussion to pay much more attention to that problem. i did not think too much about that matter because i never targeted them, just tried to avoid them and did what most of us would do. ask for their age, check id if in doubt, ask others who know them if no id available.
due to my paying habits i had found out after the fact. others might have done the same but not knowing about it."

that member wrote :
"obviously, everyone can be wrong about things, and that goes for this issue, this discussion, and everything else -- that's part of being human. the issue is always how we learn from those things as we move forward."


even though 99% of this discussion is just plain bullshit it wasn't worthless !
i and maybe others will be more careful in the future.


peace to all

[Joe Zop]

Very well said, Sainter, and close to my own opinions.

[Sainter]

i can see where you're coming from skinless.

let me run through my opinion.

1) yes, he has admitted to fucking ****d girls. i've never had that experience, though i do note that some of you have, albeit unintentionally.

2) traveller's version when talking about id's is a little suspect. i'd have thought that someone who boasts 20 years of experience would know better. but it is true what he says about the girls showing a different id(sister or friend). let's be honest, how many of us check an id thoroughly?

3) he posted the photos as a warning to others. maybe that's what it was meant to be, a warning. why can't we give him the benefit of doubt? perhaps he really is as innocent as he sounds. perhaps you've misconstrued his intentions.

4) in thailand, the age of consent is 15 for sex. but the age of consent to be a hooker is 18. many would consider this a technacality. i think some mongers would even argue that having sex with a 17 year old does not make one a ****. let me be clear about this, i do not support this notion. to me, they are still children. but thats just my view, not the view of others here.

5) he didn't report the pm's to jackson. yes, shame on him. i too have received numerous junk pm on other ridiculous subjects. but i have never received any on finding young girls. rest assured, i'd be the first to tell jackson. maybe his inaction makes him look guilty. maybe he just likes to sit idly by and watch crimes being commited. or maybe he is just clueless about the severity of the pms. some people just look at bs pm's and delete them straight away without giving it a second thought. if this is traveller, then yes, shame on him. but, i'd have to say that society today has made people in general uncaring and too willing to turn a blind eye. i think a lot of other people(not me) would have deleted them too. it is true that because this is a free forum, they can just come back under a different nickname. maybe that's how he justifys his inactions.


i can see bot sides of the argument. let me conclude by saying, i find ****s to be seriously depraved individuals who deserve long jail time as well as some strokes of the cane. as such, i'd like to have proof beyond reasonable doubt before i accuse someone and tarnish his name. in traveller's case, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence, even a confession(although he reckons the act was accidental). however i think that he was probably ignorant even stupid in some of his actions. but to call him a ****, i've not yet seen enough to justify making that dramatic call. call me lame, but i like to see the best in people and i sure hope i'm right about the traveller.

[Skinless]

Note the age and "TheTraveller Defense

[Sainter]

That's why I reckon around half the single men who go to Cambodia are kiddiefuckers.

Japanese man? Why doesn't that surprise me?

[Skinless]

[pertinent story for traveller have fun loversfrom today's mainichi re ****: please notice the age - 16. but hey this is japan and we are only ....

chiba -- a former tokyo high school teacher who escaped with a fine for smuggling a hard disk containing thousands of child pornographic images last year has been arrested for taking an **** sex tour of southeast asia.

hideaki nakao, a 48-year-old former instructor at tokyo metropolitan ueno high school, allegedly paid to have sex with at least eight girls aged between 12 and 16 in a red-light district in the suburb of the cambodian capital phnom penh during the school's summer holidays last year.

nakao has reportedly insisted that he did not know the girls were ****. "i couldn't tell their age," nakao, of tokyo's nakano-ku, was quoted by police as saying following his arrest on monday.

chiba police and their colleagues at narita airport said nakao faces charges for paying 15 to 20 u.s. dollars to have sex with two 16-year-old vietnamese girls in mid-august last year.

investigators said the english teacher was a regular sex tourist to southeast asia. he visited the region 19 times during school holidays since 1997. cambodia was his favorite destination as he went there 12 times apparently to exploit **** girls.

the ****philic educator was originally arrested in august last year at narita airport for trying to smuggle through customs a computer hard disk containing over 6,400 pornographic images of himself with **** girls, as well as several video files. he was fined 500,000 yen at the chiba summary court and was allowed to walk free.

the tokyo metropolitan government's education bureau fired nakao on jan. 31. (mainichi shimbun, japan, feb. 17, 2004)

[Skinless]

sting: you have a point but it is peripheral to the discussion here. traveller fucks the **** kids and "spots" the id in the morning - after he has fucked them. the id reads **** not over age so your point, though important, is not central.

read what freeler wrote. i came late into this and it is traveller's attitude and lies which have brought me to the eye of the storm. he remains in denial. he will swagger around pattaya, picking up **** chicks and boosting his ego in the process by fucking them and posting their **** pics here, as he has already done. don't copy him as you only have to be caught once to be well and truly fucked: thai law does not condone people like traveller who break the child prostituiton laws.

joe zop: i see your letter in the letters page and i will leave it there as you are not worth replying to. i have wasted over 50 or so posts trying to explain basic law to yourself and others who defend the **** phile. (the perverse liker of children), the child [CodeWord126], the breaker of thailand's child prostitution laws, however you want to put it. glad he is your friend, not mine.

[Sting]

Skinless.

Remarks about ID'S:

There is no guarantee. It is sometimes a fake. I mean the girl shows the ID from her older sister or... If you look at the picture then you also can find out that it is hard to realize if its the same girl. I mean you can see a foto which was taken in their village. The girl was not dressed up.

Sorry, but I think you know. The security in hotels like Diana Inn not look at the picture so thoroughly.

Really, I don't want to know how many people had girls with a fake ID.

If you have any idea how we can find out that this ID which was shown from the girl is 100% correct. Let me know.

I think it is difficult. It is also very difficult for someone who can speak the language and who grows up in Thailand.

Also it is very difficult to find out the age of the Thaigirl. As you know a girl who is 30 years old looks sometimes like 23 or... It is sometimes incredible.

Or you can see girls which have a perfect body but 3 kids.

It is sometimes really hard to believe...

Sting

[MeatMan]

Ok, the buck stops here!(I hope)

Guys If this keeps up, Jackson may as well end your mebership or,downgrade you to regular members.Come on fellas, lets end this and,get back to what this board is meant for!

He IS getting sick and tired of it!

[Skinless]

Tantrik: I have stuck to the letter of Thai law, not to textbook or dictionary definitions. The element of (bad) luck is important: one way is not to screw so many young girls or, at least, not to purposely hunt them out. To see what makes Traveller especially different, please read the posts of Juice and, in particular, those of Freeler. The more I think of Traveller, the more revolting I find him. bar brawlers and Nambla types are not my type.

As for me: it merely confirms why I find a lot of guys in Pattaya and Bangkok revolting.

As for you and others: check the ID and, when in Pattaya etc, stay in a place with good house rules. Best to avoid where the scum stay.Best also to avoid the scum.

Early closing: When I stayed at Diana Inn (which gets the Skinless recomendation as they check IDs, thse of the BB One included, thoroughly), the head guy told me that most of his guests are in bed early with their (over 18) lady friends.

[Tantrik]

skinless:

i'm not getting into all the details here. the point is, simply, that anyone who screws enough young girls in thailand is likely to end up having sex with an **** girl no matter what she, her friends, her mamasan or her id says.

by your definition, that makes the person a ****. this hardly seems fair, and also, it means the only thing that might separate someone who's had sex with a young thai girl from being a **** is their luck. and that last category of people seems to include a number of current posters in this godforsaken thread.