Rookie Advice and Opinions

[CherchezFemme]

Speaking of AW, I've been pretty frustrated the last month or so. The weather's warm, I'm horny as fuck, I don't want to spend 200-300 on an escort cuz I'm going to Prague soon and I can get 4-5 girls for that price, and I'm getting rejected left and right. I've tried to friend 3 girls on Facebook, all 3 have not even replied, much less friended. 1 I went to HS with, 1 I went to college with, and 1 by large coincidence is friends with 2 other friends. I'm getting ignored by cunts on FB! The HS girl has over 600 friends and I'm getting ignored. WTF! BTW all 3 are in their mid-30s and not married. You'd think they might be just the slightest bit interested, I mean after all they know me, we have things in common, etc.

Then I'm talking to girls on dating sites, and have been flaked on multiple times. Almost every response I get on these sites is form fat/ugly girls. I don't play that.

To make matters worse, there 's 4 girls interested in me, and I don't want to touch any of 'em. Its horrible, I'm living in a world where what I want I can't have, and what I can have I don't want.

Plus I had a date with a gorgeous girl recently, now she's ignoring me.
I go to bars, MILFs and cougars look at me like I'm a weirdo. I'm in my mid-30s and already too old for them I guess.

Here's something I wrote to a HS friend a couple of weeks ago.

" I think I'm looking to settle down, meet a nice girl, have babies. The problem is its not easy meeting girls. Especially here in the city. You go out, you flirt, you get phone #s, or you meet girls online and it rarely leads to anything. If the girls are younger, they're having fun and have a bunch of guys after them. You don't know where they're at, what they're thinking. If they're older....man, older girls, ones our age? They are suspicious, set in their ways and not easy to deal with. Though they may be desperate to get married, they have a checklist and if they can't put an "X" through almost every item on the checklist that bears your name, forget it. I've had great conversations with older girls and as soon as I gave one wrong answer or piece of information, that's it, I was done.

Its ironic: when I was in my early-mid 20s, I was in shape, had a full head of hair but no money, no car and still kind of shy/awkward with the ladies. 10-12 years later I have money, I'm much more confident, experienced, have a car, etc but I'm fat again and balding so I'm still handicapped.

I'm trying not to be bitter about dating because a) I'm still too young for that and b) I'm not a b**ch. But if in a few years things are still rough, I may have to look overseas. "

Mail order bride? I hope not...

[Gentleman Travel]

Hello guys

I'm an european guy and was just wondering something: if you (north) american guys were living in Europe (I know this sound strange but just imagine), would you dare to go mongering in the Carribean, considering that good P4P is available here too (Spain, german FKK etc) and that fly ticket to the Carribean can be quite expensive for us? I mean, would it be worth? Of course the weather (tropical) is really a plus...the beaches and all the rest (hourly rate for pussy, GFE), but they remain 3rd world countries.

I'm asking this because I'm planning to take a trip to the Carribean

Mongering in "the Caribbean" is like mongering "in Europe" - it depends a hell of a lot on which specific country you are going to! Hunting in Paris is not like hunting in Kiev. Same thing with Bahamas vs Dominican Republic.

Some of these countries have a very strong ethic against girls peddling their asses (except for the poorest outcasts) or are such "small towns" that girls can't play around without everyone knowing. So do your research.

I was recently at a resort in Jamaica and it was virtually impossible to find local tail. Sure I could have gone miles into town and found a hooker, but it was not easy to get any at the hotel. But I hear of other places where you can pick up local girls for a smile and a beer....

[Ziggy00]

Hello guys

I'm an european guy and was just wondering something: if you (north) american guys were living in Europe (I know this sound strange but just imagine), would you dare to go mongering in the Carribean, considering that good P4P is available here too (Spain, german FKK etc) and that fly ticket to the Carribean can be quite expensive for us? I mean, would it be worth? Of course the weather (tropical) is really a plus...the beaches and all the rest (hourly rate for pussy, GFE), but they remain 3rd world countries.

I'm asking this because I'm planning to take a trip to the Carribean

I know many of you Americans come here to Europe for mongering, but I'm sure not only for that, there's tons of things to do here and this isn't 3rd world continent lol

Cheers,

Ziggy

[Junior]

background
it is a dull rainy sunday back in europe so i thought i would try to write down my ”guide to mongering” based on my own experiences of mongering around the world over the last decade or so.

i have mongered mainly in south america, but also in caribbean, africa and asia. i have only visited pattaya a few times in recent years, so i am clearly not a pattaya expert.

my preference is for attractive women between 18-25, who are also good in bed.
back home i am dull and boring business man with little success with my preferred target group of women. i could probably get a nice, dull and boring lady around my own age – but they all seem to come with excess baggage – junk in the trunk, kids, debts….you get my drift. and they rarely look and fuck like a 23yr old.

so i save my money and travel somewhere nice and with available women 3-4 times a year.

when i travel my alter ego, junior, takes over and suddenly i am transformed into real ladies man, who plays the field and play it well.

junior’s guide to mongering

do your research before you go:
•find and write down: places to pick-up ladies, pricing, good restaurants, recommended clubs/brothels etc.
•find and write down some non-mongering activities too
•are there unsafe areas which should be avoided?

if it is your first time visiting a city you should take some days to visit different venues. maybe the best places for you are not the first you visit. if you are only in town for a short stay or on business start with the venues that has the highest recommendations on the web.

know yourself:
•be honest with yourself about what you like in terms of sex, women etc.
odo you want as many girls as possible, or one girlfriend for the entire stay ?
oare certain sexual acts a must? what would be nice optionals?
ohow much are you willing to pay?

with the ladies:
•be in charge: i mean be assertive and take charge, while remaining respectful and polite. let her know that you know what you want and are used to being in charge.
•make a contract: when you have found a lady you like take care of the business side upfront. this includes agreeing on: price, time, location and services rendered. be realistic based on your pre-trip research and offer a fair price based on the requirements you have made.
•avoid ladies who: drink too much, are too aggressive, have poor personal hygiene, are disliked by their peers. too much attitude is also a strong warning sign. too many objections or trying to make a contract which is unfair to you is also a danger sign.
•be respectful of the ladies other commitments and relations with her friends. many ladies are non-pros or semi-pros, they may have to go to school the next day or they may be living at home while keeping their activities from their families. respect that. treat her friends nicely, without spending ridiculous amounts of money buying drinks for everybody.
•be honest with the ladies. do not make promises you either cannot or do not intend to keep.

some people argue for a 3-day rule, ie. do not stay more than 3 days with one lady as this may lead to “feelings/love”. i think this rule is bullocks. i work in the investment industry and there is a saying my line of work “the trend is you friend” – which basically means if something is working stick with it and if something is not working cut your losses quickly. this should be your guideline. if a lady is rocking your world keep her, if not, it is time to move on.

it is your holiday – so have fun

[Charlie Horse]

I'm curious because I haven't seen a good comparative post about different countries. For those that enjoy BBFS, which countries are the best? Ultimately, I'd like to find a place where I can get BBFS GFE without traveling all the way to Manila.

1. I know the Philippines is great. HIV is not prevalent and condoms are nonexistent.

2. BBFS is about a 40% proposition in Thailand. But it is pretty dangerous there.

3. Condoms are ubiquitous in Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Amstersam, etc.

4. I've heard no condoms in Cuba but don't know.

Does anybody have other recommendations?

You might want to do a bit more research

[ShadowJ]

I'm curious because I haven't seen a good comparative post about different countries. For those that enjoy BBFS, which countries are the best? Ultimately, I'd like to find a place where I can get BBFS GFE without traveling all the way to Manila.

1. I know the Philippines is great. HIV is not prevalent and condoms are nonexistent.

2. BBFS is about a 40% proposition in Thailand. But it is pretty dangerous there.

3. Condoms are ubiquitous in Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Amstersam, etc.

4. I've heard no condoms in Cuba but don't know.

Does anybody have other recommendations?

[Johnny Maldiva]

You can find a local girl through Craigslist - just offer some ongoing support or an apartment or something. There are also specific sugar daddy web-sites, but I think that route is pretty expensive.

If you are in the US I think it is not going to be easy to get a visa for an overseas girl (like from Eastern Europe). If there is a visa-free country where you think you can draw a girl from, then that is much easier. But then you will have to support the girl 100% compared with a local girl where you are only paying for lifestyle enhancements.

I have dabbled in importing a girl under an "au pair" program or student visa, but have not made that work yet.

Thanks, GT. Very useful advice. I've been scouring the web for local foreigners in need of support but it's like finding a needle in a haystack. Only a few hits but they got scared off or found something better very quickly. I honestly don't know how to work the dating site game at all and given up there. Everyone seems too legit in wanting to find a husband to spend their lives with, so there's no chance of P4P there with any foreigners. I'll keep plugging away...

I'd really appreciate knowing how you went about looking for a live-in girl, even if you were unsuccessful. Seems my search engine isn't showing the sites for this...

[Gentleman Travel]

Thanks, Gentleman. That's exactly what I'm looking for. The experience of a long-term GF within the P4P environment. Business-like sex is a real turn off. It's those little things like kissing and mental connection that make paying for sex worthwhile.

How does one sponsor a mistress? Is it possible to bring one in from overseas? Any links would be really helpful.

You can find a local girl through Craigslist - just offer some ongoing support or an apartment or something. There are also specific sugar daddy web-sites, but I think that route is pretty expensive.

If you are in the US I think it is not going to be easy to get a visa for an overseas girl (like from Eastern Europe). If there is a visa-free country where you think you can draw a girl from, then that is much easier. But then you will have to support the girl 100% compared with a local girl where you are only paying for lifestyle enhancements.

I have dabbled in importing a girl under an "au pair" program or student visa, but have not made that work yet.

[Johnny Maldiva]

The definition of a GFE varies considerably amongst mongers here.

Some talk about a GFE within a 30 minute or 60 minute P4P experience.

I guess they are focusing on kissing, DFK and some other non-sexual extras.

To me a GFE has to be a little more than that, like (especially!) not clock-watching, spending the night, maybe doing dinner beforehand, pillow talk, stuff like that.

As for "buying a GF" you can certainly set yourself up a sponsor of a college girl, even in America, for a reasonable price. Whether it is cheaper than using straight P4P depends on what you negotiate and how often you indulge. But if you long for the GFE then sponsoring a mistress may be the answer. The difference between that and a real GF is that your mistress understands that she has to provide great sex every time you meet. But it can still have the warmth and comfort that a straight P4P experience lacks.

Thanks, Gentleman. That's exactly what I'm looking for. The experience of a long-term GF within the P4P environment. Business-like sex is a real turn off. It's those little things like kissing and mental connection that make paying for sex worthwhile.

How does one sponsor a mistress? Is it possible to bring one in from overseas? Any links would be really helpful.

[Gentleman Travel]

I'm a fairly average, if not below average looking guy with not the best results when it comes to relationships. I love sex and the shape of a woman's body, but ultimately I do want more than that. However, it's extremely tough for me to find it, so I'm contemplating "buying" a GF when the time is right, if it comes to that. Have any of you had positive experiences with GFs? How about bad experiences? I'd like to find a mutual bond, a connection that's akin to a normal truly loving relationship. I do realise how contradicting the entire scenario is.

Lastly, what separates a GFE from a regular service?

The definition of a GFE varies considerably amongst mongers here.
Some talk about a GFE within a 30 minute or 60 minute P4P experience.
I guess they are focusing on kissing, DFK and some other non-sexual extras.
To me a GFE has to be a little more than that, like (especially!) not clock-watching, spending the night, maybe doing dinner beforehand, pillow talk, stuff like that.

As for "buying a GF" you can certainly set yourself up a sponsor of a college girl, even in America, for a reasonable price. Whether it is cheaper than using straight P4P depends on what you negotiate and how often you indulge. But if you long for the GFE then sponsoring a mistress may be the answer. The difference between that and a real GF is that your mistress understands that she has to provide great sex every time you meet. But it can still have the warmth and comfort that a straight P4P experience lacks.

[Johnny Maldiva]

I'm a fairly average, if not below average looking guy with not the best results when it comes to relationships. I love sex and the shape of a woman's body, but ultimately I do want more than that. However, it's extremely tough for me to find it, so I'm contemplating "buying" a GF when the time is right, if it comes to that. Have any of you had positive experiences with GFs? How about bad experiences? I'd like to find a mutual bond, a connection that's akin to a normal truly loving relationship. I do realise how contradicting the entire scenario is.

Lastly, what separates a GFE from a regular service?

[Gfechaser]

Just want to get some opinion from the population here. Since the P4P is relatively easy (you put out the cash and. Done! ), the real life relationships seem to be 100's time harder: you have to find the girl, impress the girl, go on dates, watch what you say and the whole nine yards. And usually, the "real life" girl is not gonna be as good in bed as the P4P ones. And after that more effort is needed to maintain the relationship and sometimes (this part I hate the most), you fight over the littlest things.

It just seems to me that the P4P is much straight forward and requires a LOT less effort. If marriage/kids is not the goal, I don't see much value in "real" relationships beyond friendship and companionship. What do you think?

Also, because of the huge difference in "effort", I found myself getting lazier and lazier trying to find a "real life" girl/relationship. Do other people have the same attitude?

Just curious and like to find out what other people think of this and what they are experiencing.

Thanks

I agree wholeheartedly with these statements. I never wanted to get married or have kids. Marriage and relationships are really difficult and my personality does not lend itself well to relationships anyway. I always thought that I was a little weird in this regard as I much rather liked one night stands, but the p4p scene really opened my eyes. Counterintuitively, I have had experienced more honesty, passion, and overall contentment with professional lovers, prostitutes, etc..., And surprisingly the honesty is truly refreshing. I do not know about others but my experience with prostitutes, depending on the girl atleast, seems more genuine and deeper than what I have seen in most relationships. When you can simplify your needs on both sides everyone is much happier.

[Westy]

Chocha Monger nails the "Marry American" notion with this post.

Any would-be monger who's feeling "the guilts" about it should read this one.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=971602

[Chocha Monger]

maybe, but foreign service officers have to behave themselves if they want to advance. better to work in a private sector company with overseas operations.

not really there is one naughty foreign service worker in thailand using combatives to anally [CodeWord123] bar girls and he faced no recriminations.

[Gentleman Travel]

A foreign service officer assigned to a U.S. embassy abroad. In order to move up, you must rotate duty desks.

Maybe, but foreign service officers have to behave themselves if they want to advance. Better to work in a private sector company with overseas operations.