St. Maarten (The southern Dutch side)

[Exoticspirit]

Now the danger zone. And you can get a sense of it best, when you visit Hypnotic during the day from the parking lot. From the Hypnotic parking lot, you can see Carolinas from a distance. There is a path through high grass. Almost shoulder height high that wanders from Hypnotic to Arch Road. It's used by locals quite frequently, but here's the rub. There have been "ambush" scenarios that have occurred during the day on the path with bandits lurking in the grass that have robbed guys making the trek from Carolinas over to Hypnotic. Since it's off the beaten path (no pun intended) and pretty well hidden by the almost cornstalk high grass, you're fair prey for anyone looking to put a machete in front of your face.

This makes a lot of sense. Now in addition to renting cars, I know that there are also scooter rentals available. It seems that scooters would be much easier to park, especially closer to the club buildings and certainly a hell lot more fun to ride. What do you guys think (renting a scooter instead of a car)?

[Scubatoo]

.....Bottom line. Aside from crossing the street from Carolinas to Crystals and back and forth. Drive to all clubs and try to park as close as possible to the entrance. Avoid going deep down the side of Carolinas to park. Past the building toward the local neighborhood. Amazingly, the scariest parking lot of Sunset Retreat might be the safest, since the club is so remote. A would be problem would have to walk a long way to get there.

Also, sad to read that Defiance is closed. I had some memorable experiences there and met some gems back in the day. Maybe they'll breathe some life back into it some day. The club was more a favorite among the locals. But those of us intimate with SXM knew it well!

See also my post at #6365 re: Sunset Retreat parking and the road alongside Carolina's (late night teen gang activity).

Also, despite Defiance being an outdated bar scene over the years, many of my best relationships with chicas came from this club. Not sure if St. Maarten can sustain all of its clubs, but this venue always had potential to be really good. Maybe someone will refurbish and reopen. It was mostly DR girls and on the way to Sunset Retreat and Casablanca. Always bring your alpha dog game to the DR dominated clubs. You can have a great time with them.

[ClubTed]

Years ago when I stayed at the Caribbean Hotel in downtown Philipsburg, I walked to LE Petit Chateau. And then on to Carolina's. It was main road, and although a bit dark I got through unscathed. Not sure if I would pull that off now. Regarding walking between clubs. Crystals is right across the street from Carolinas. I would always bop between the two. With a beer bought from either place. I believe now, you can't bring a beer into Crystals. Guess they got wise to guys leaving Carolinas and ducking in with beer in hand, and staying for a bit, without buying.

You can walk down the driveway / road from El Capitan to Hypnotic. Although you'll pass some fairly run down apartments on the left hand side (and the body of a Camaro or Vette that's been up on blocks for years) and the occasion stray dog. Best to drive from the lot of El Cap and pull into the dusty lot of Hypnotic.

Now the danger zone. And you can get a sense of it best, when you visit Hypnotic during the day from the parking lot. From the Hypnotic parking lot, you can see Carolinas from a distance. There is a path through high grass. Almost shoulder height high that wanders from Hypnotic to Arch Road. It's used by locals quite frequently, but here's the rub. There have been "ambush" scenarios that have occurred during the day on the path with bandits lurking in the grass that have robbed guys making the trek from Carolinas over to Hypnotic. Since it's off the beaten path (no pun intended) and pretty well hidden by the almost cornstalk high grass, you're fair prey for anyone looking to put a machete in front of your face.

Bottom line. Aside from crossing the street from Carolinas to Crystals and back and forth. Drive to all clubs and try to park as close as possible to the entrance. Avoid going deep down the side of Carolinas to park. Past the building toward the local neighborhood. Amazingly, the scariest parking lot of Sunset Retreat might be the safest, since the club is so remote. A would be problem would have to walk a long way to get there.

Also, sad to read that Defiance is closed. I had some memorable experiences there and met some gems back in the day. Maybe they'll breathe some life back into it some day. The club was more a favorite among the locals. But those of us intimate with SXM knew it well!

[Mel365]

It is safe to walk ON THE ROAD to the clubs in the daytime. However a car is so cheap for a couple of days, why not rent one?

The taxis are not cheap. Also do not take the shortcut from Carolinas across the path to Hypnotique in the grass at any time.

Mel.

This is great. Thanks. I'll be taking a trip to Sint Maarten / Saba for the first time in May. I'm spending only two night in Sint Maarten though since my main focus is diving in Saba but at least I'll have the final two nights to try out the clubs. The four clubs clustered close by together seems like walking distance and I read about your caution -- what about during the daytime? You would not walk these clubs even during the afternoon?

[Exoticspirit]

I'd stick with the cluster of clubs just north of Philipsburg. They're clumped together, easy to find, and the best of the clubs, in my opinion.

Pull up Google maps: If you take the road from P'burg across the salt pond (Soualiga Road), Carolina's is on the right, at a corner, just past the sports complex. Rust covered roof on Google maps. You'd have passed La Petite Chateau on the left, on the pond island. Passing it is probably just as well.

Crystal's is just across Soualiga Road from Carolina's.

If you continue on Soualiga Road to Arch Rd. , make a right and then a left on Suckergarden Rd. - El Capitan is a block up on the left. It's behind a wall, but well marked, at the corner with Umbrella Cactus Rd. (light green roof on Google maps). If you continue down Umbrella Cactus Rd. , you'll dead-end at Hypnotique (formerly known as Seaman's). Dark blue roof on Google maps.

Taking Suckergarden Road out from Philipsburg is an alternate route.

With this and Google maps, you really can't go wrong. Everyone says not to try to walk from Carolina's and Hypnotique. I'd take their word for it.

I"m not aware of any of them having websites. I tend to like more European-looking Columbianas, so I'd rate them in the following order: Carolina's, Hypnotique, El Capitan, La Petite Chateau, Crystals (I've never seen more than 3-4 girls in there at a time, and never took one back). I've met some cute Dominicans at LPC, but the last time we were there it was packed with local guys. We didn't have any problems, but we stood out in a way that was uncomfortable.

This is great. Thanks. I'll be taking a trip to Sint Maarten / Saba for the first time in May. I'm spending only two night in Sint Maarten though since my main focus is diving in Saba but at least I'll have the final two nights to try out the clubs. The four clubs clustered close by together seems like walking distance and I read about your caution -- what about during the daytime? You would not walk these clubs even during the afternoon?

[Jack Zach]

So, I depend on my Samsung Note, and not as much my AT&T (LOL) service here in the USA as I use maps and google searches a lot.

I'd like to be able to do so while riding around the island.

Any feedback on the best route to take?

Again, I'm not as much a "making phone calls" user but a data for maps and searches kind of guy.

I recall reading that being able to do so, on either side of the island, is spotty at best.

I'm sure I can "re-group" in a McDonald's during the day as hopefully they have free WiFi but would prefer to get my maps and do my searches while on the run.

Thanks again.

[Bogosse83]

How is the safety in those clubs and around the Dutch side late night? Heard of some people getting beat up and robbed at gunpoint.

What are the rates to the girl home for the night?

[Bogosse83]

There is nothing to wory about with a bunch of locals hanging around the clubs. Just say good evening to whoever you meet and keep on walking.

FYI Defiance is closed.

I will be on island for a few weks starting the 28th if anyone would like to hook up PM me.

Mel.

You guys are extremely helpful thank you very much! I will be there from Jan 6 to Jan 9, we could def link up!

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[Lakeside1]

Bogosse83.

Try this map.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1f4...VI&usp=sharing

Lakeside.

I forgot to allow access to all on the site earlier. If you use the link you should be able to see the map now.

Lakeside.

[Mel365]

There is nothing to wory about with a bunch of locals hanging around the clubs. Just say good evening to whoever you meet and keep on walking.

FYI Defiance is closed.

I will be on island for a few weks starting the 28th if anyone would like to hook up PM me.

Mel.

[John2526]

I will be going right after New Years eve, could you please let us know which clubs are still in business, the address of those clubs and possibly websites if they have any? Could you also rate them? I have been reading your posts (extremely helpful BTW) but can't find any addresses anywhere on here or on Google.

I'd stick with the cluster of clubs just north of Philipsburg. They're clumped together, easy to find, and the best of the clubs, in my opinion.

Pull up Google maps: If you take the road from P'burg across the salt pond (Soualiga Road), Carolina's is on the right, at a corner, just past the sports complex. Rust covered roof on Google maps. You'd have passed La Petite Chateau on the left, on the pond island. Passing it is probably just as well.

Crystal's is just across Soualiga Road from Carolina's.

If you continue on Soualiga Road to Arch Rd. , make a right and then a left on Suckergarden Rd. - El Capitan is a block up on the left. It's behind a wall, but well marked, at the corner with Umbrella Cactus Rd. (light green roof on Google maps). If you continue down Umbrella Cactus Rd. , you'll dead-end at Hypnotique (formerly known as Seaman's). Dark blue roof on Google maps.

Taking Suckergarden Road out from Philipsburg is an alternate route.

With this and Google maps, you really can't go wrong. Everyone says not to try to walk from Carolina's and Hypnotique. I'd take their word for it.

I"m not aware of any of them having websites. I tend to like more European-looking Columbianas, so I'd rate them in the following order: Carolina's, Hypnotique, El Capitan, La Petite Chateau, Crystals (I've never seen more than 3-4 girls in there at a time, and never took one back). I've met some cute Dominicans at LPC, but the last time we were there it was packed with local guys. We didn't have any problems, but we stood out in a way that was uncomfortable.

[Lakeside1]

Hello everyone,

I will be going right after New Years eve, could you please let us know which clubs are still in business, the address of those clubs and possibly websites if they have any? Could you also rate them? I have been reading your posts (extremely helpful BTW) but can't find any addresses anywhere on here or on Google.

Bogosse83.

Try this map.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1f4...VI&usp=sharing

Lakeside.

[Lakeside1]

Hello everyone,

I will be going right after New Years eve, could you please let us know which clubs are still in business, the address of those clubs and possibly websites if they have any? Could you also rate them? I have been reading your posts (extremely helpful BTW) but can't find any addresses anywhere on here or on Google.

Bogosse83,

I took a few pic of the clubs in Google earth. I think I got them all hope this helps.

Lakeside.

[Bogosse83]

Hello everyone,

I will be going right after New Years eve, could you please let us know which clubs are still in business, the address of those clubs and possibly websites if they have any? Could you also rate them? I have been reading your posts (extremely helpful BTW) but can't find any addresses anywhere on here or on Google.

[Jack Zach]

Hey all,

So I'll be down next week.

Reach out and say Hi if interested in potentially meeting up.

Jon.