St. Maarten (The southern Dutch side)

[Mel365]

Sorry,

I arrive on April 18th.

Best,

Mel.

I'll be arriving Thursday the 30th and leaving April 6th. If you are around I would be happy to meet you and share a beer or two.

Barkey.

[DennisMP]

I'll be arriving Thursday the 30th and leaving April 6th. If you are around I would be happy to meet you and share a beer or two.

Barkey.

Arriving tomorrow morning, will be verifying some recent reports that seem almost too good to be true. Staying through April 2nd, anybody looking for wingman, share a few stories and have a beer please send me a message. The Johanna at Carolinas hasn't been to SXM previously to the best of my knowledge, she is still there but will be heading back home within a few weeks.

[Barkey]

What dates will you be on island?

I'll be arriving Thursday the 30th and leaving April 6th. If you are around I would be happy to meet you and share a beer or two.

Barkey.

[Mel365]

What dates will you be on island?

KB.

It's great to hear that things seem to be getting back to normal. Sounds like this trip is a little more sexcessful that the last time. The timing sucked.

I look forward to seeing your reports and I am counting the days (7) until I get to find out for myself. It's too bad we just missed each other. Have a few cold ones and a few hot ones for me too. I'll do the same for you.

A couple of reports not too far back said that there was a Johanna there. The same one I wonder.

Have fun!

Barkey.

[Barkey]

Hey Barkey,

Have been on the island a few days. The standard pricing applies at Crystals.

The talent pool is pretty good at both Crystals and Carolinas. Casa Blanca is not worth the time or trouble to check out. The 3 girls are either high mileage or lack enthusiasm. I have not checked out the other Casa's.

The immigration issues do not appear to be resolved but sufficiently improved to make your trip worth while.

Heading out for another night of pillaging and debauchery.

Knoteebuoy.

KB.

It's great to hear that things seem to be getting back to normal. Sounds like this trip is a little more sexcessful that the last time. The timing sucked.

I look forward to seeing your reports and I am counting the days (7) until I get to find out for myself. It's too bad we just missed each other. Have a few cold ones and a few hot ones for me too. I'll do the same for you.

A couple of reports not too far back said that there was a Johanna there. The same one I wonder.

Have fun!

Barkey.

[Knoteebuoy]

Now that Crystal's seems to be a good spot again, is the "standard" pricing about the same as Carolinas or the old Hypnotiqe. $50/30 minutes $100 HR?

Hey Barkey,

Have been on the island a few days. The standard pricing applies at Crystals.

The talent pool is pretty good at both Crystals and Carolinas. Casa Blanca is not worth the time or trouble to check out. The 3 girls are either high mileage or lack enthusiasm. I have not checked out the other Casa's.

The immigration issues do not appear to be resolved but sufficiently improved to make your trip worth while.

Heading out for another night of pillaging and debauchery.

Knoteebuoy.

[Mel365]

Gringo,

I would rent a car. It is not safe to walk between Carolinas and El Capitan etc. The car is usually cheaper in the long run.
A cab ride from the clubs at night to the westin can be 20+dollars

The house fee is paid up front in the bar. Or on the way to the rooms. If the chica wants to be paid up front I take this as a very bad sign and usually head for the door. Most often it is a sign of poor performance.

A friend of mine who owns a few clubs always prefers Colombianas as they are honest for the most part and you don't have to watch your wallet. I also find them much more GFE than the Dominicanas.

When a chica leaves a club they always put on street clothes. You shouldn't have any problem getting one up to your room.

The taxi drivers charge extra for late night, again a car is much better and the clubs are mostly far from the Westin.

The clubs are basically bars with chicas looking to hook up, like medellin or campo.

I think people who pay crazy numbers for dance club pussy are Loco. Why pay $500-500 when you can get the same for 100 in suckerdarten

The chicas do not want their faces in photos. Many are mothers with families at home and are doing this just to earn money to live or to go to college. The last thig that they want is their photo plastered on the internet.

[Shark16]

Hey Gringo,
Welcome to SXM! I will answer where I can:

1. Never done it at Westin, but I have heard that all hotels on the island are chica-friendly except for all-inclusive hotels (for obvious reasons). Just be discreet (I have never had a problem).

2. It's a 5- 10 mnts ride to those casas. Maybe 10 dollars? Maybe a bit more? Casablanca possibly only 5 dollars? You can afford it. Always agree the cab fare upfront (fixed price).

4. That way you describe it is spot on. Occasionally a chica will ask for payment upfront, but IME that is rare (note: I can't speak for Casablanca, which I think used to be different).

5. The SXM casas are basically bars where you drink and hang out with the chicas. Expect loud latin music. At times the girls will dance on the floor, at the bar, or do a pole dance (how much varies a little between the clubs). Buy a chica a 5 dollar copa, and she will dance for you right there (can be steaming hot!). Watching dance moves is nice, but nothing beats interaction with the chica IME.

6. There is defintively a cultural difference. Which one is the "better" is a matter of taste. Colombianas tends to be more sweet and GFE-ish, while Dominicanas can be more hardcore and direct. But this is generalizations. BTW, Carolina's is usually the best place for goodlooking Colombianas. Not to be missed!

7. If you want value for money, then skip the strip clubs like PR and focus on the casas. The strip club are good for variation to the casas and is a nice addition to the adult scene on the island. PR is a decent if not even a very good strip club and definitively worth a (short) visit. But keep your priorites right: Casas first!

Note: The casas are usually very quiet untill 8- 9 pm, and it doesn't really take off before 10pm.

Have fun!

-S16.

[GringoItaliano]

I will be in SXM from April 2 to April 6. I will be working during the day, but I will be free to monger at night. I have thus been RTFF'ing, and I have a few questions and observations for the SXM veterans on this thread. Also, feel free to hit me up if you will be on the island within that time frame.

1) I will be staying at the Westin. My impression of such hotels in SXM and elsewhere in the Caribbean is that they are not officially chica-friendly, but one should not have problems bringing a girl back to one's room, as long as she does not dress like a glaringly obvious puta. Does that sound right?

2) How much should I expect to pay in cab fare between the Westin and; a) Carolina's / Crystal's / El Capitan; or b) Casablanca / Sunset Retreat? I tried using the taxi zone map and chart from an old post on this thread, but it was not clear which zones they were in.

3) Does anyone have any photos of the well-reviewed chicas that posters have mentioned in recent months, E. G. Luisa and Esmeralda from Crystal's? I have been making notes on their names and descriptions, but photos would make it a lot easier to recognize them.

4) On a procedural note, do you pay the house the room rental fee up front and then pay the chica the negotiated rate after the session, as you would with free-range chicas in other environments? Have you encountered any issues with chicas asking for payment for the sessions up front?

5) Are these clubs more like the casas or strip clubs in places like Colombia or Costa Rica? I saw references to chicas dancing on stage, but in other ways they sounded more like casas, albeit with more opportunity for social interaction before choosing your chica. As for those with stage performances, how useful did you find those performances in guiding your selection of chicas?

6) My impression is that contributors to this thread generally prefer the Colombian talent in the SXM clubs to the Dominican talent. I can imagine why they might have such a preference, having been to both Colombia and the DR, as well as Campo Alegre in Curacao, where the Dominicans paled in comparison to the Colombians. Would you agree or disagree, and why?

7) It sounds like the Platinum Room differs little in its offerings from a USA Strip club, except for the expensive take out option. It does not sound like a good value for the money, compared to the other clubs, unless one has a special interest in its Eastern European talent. I do like Eastern Europeans, but not as much as Latinas, and there are plenty of Eastern Europeans at the strip clubs here in New York. In fact, I met a Ukrainian stripper here in New York who used to work at the Platinum Room, and she encouraged me to go there. Would you agree or disagree?

[Liathain]

This was a Letter To The Editor The Daily Herald of St. Maarten:

Dear Editor,

Last Tuesday, the case of Casa Blanca was heard at the Court of First Instance of St. Maarten. Casa Blanca and its principles are charged with human exploitation and tax fraud.

According to the Public Prosecutor, Casa Blanca had concluded employment agreements with its sex workers and therefore, should have reported the revenues for the sexual services by the women for tax purposes.

At first glance, this standpoint seems logical; however, there are serious caveats.

Firstly, it should be asked why a club would conclude employment agreements with sex workers because there are no obvious benefits for the club in doing so; neither the club nor the sex worker consider the contract as an actual employment relationship. The only purpose of these agreements is to acquire work permits for the sex workers. The sex workers cannot request nor acquire these permits themselves according to the current permit system that is in place in St. Maarten.

The St. Maarten government is evaluating to change this system into a system wherein the sex worker may request the work permit as an independent entrepreneur. Apparently, this system is already in place in Statia. An employment relation with a sex worker is also not morally accepted here in St. Maarten or the other Dutch Caribbean islands of Aruba, Curaao or BES.

Notwithstanding the above, there are even more pressing legal arguments as to why the employment contracts with sex workers should be considered null and void.

The existence of an employment agreement is condition to certain legal requirements being met, I. E. (I) the employee has to perform work, (ii) the employer has to pay salary to the employee, and (iii) the employer should have the power to give instructions to the employee. All three requirements should be met or else there is no legal employment agreement.

Casa Blanca makes its money from the room rentals to the sex workers. The revenues for the sexual services are for the women. The client pays the sex worker for her services and the club withholds rent money on said revenues as well as a small service charge fee. Under this scenario, there are evidently two separate and independent entrepreneurs at play, I. E. The club and the sex worker. This is confirmed by case law.

More importantly, however, is the moral and ethical issues surrounding the treatment of sex workers in St. Maarten, which excludes the existence of legal employment agreements. To mention a simple example, an employment contract with a slave is illegal (at least according to our laws). In the same way, employment agreements with workers whom are being treated unethically are also considered null and void.

The alleged unethical treatment of sex workers in St. Maarten has gotten so out of control that the government decided to stop the issuance of work permits for sex workers as of 2015. Local clubs, including Casa Blanca, are accused of exploitation of the women who work there. This environment is evidently not suitable for and in conflict with a legally binding and enforceable employment agreement.

The Highest Court has decided that an employment agreement with a sex worker is perfectly acceptable unless the agreement would have to be considered unethical based on the specific circumstances, e. G. In case of exploitation.

It comes down to the following the Public Prosecutor cannot have it both ways. If it charges and prosecutes local clubs for allegedly exploiting sex workers, then it is not possible to also go after the same clubs for not having reported the revenues of the sex workers for tax purposes. By doing so, the Prosecutor assumes the existence of legally binding employment agreements, which is not the case. If there is no employment relationship for civil law purposes, then the same applies for tax purposes. Tax wise, the sex workers are independent entrepreneurs and should be separately taxed as such. This way, taxation in St. Maarten would be in alignment with reality. No double dips for the Prosecutor's Office and certainly not for the tax department.

Richie J. Kock,

Attorney-at-law.

The letter is at: https://thedailyherald.sx/opinion/le...n-sex-industry.

[FunTimeSxm]

Yes, my friend made the deal with girl as she was not working, they start work at 10 pm.

He met the girl in the Piano bar in Pelican key last Monday night. If you go there tonight at around 11 pm you will see the girls working in packs, I counted around 6 last time. The girls were on their night off.

It maybe worth checking out the Pool bar on the 1st floor of the building opposite Red Diamond, I heard that's were the Eastern European girls hang out but that needs confirming. I know a number of girls live in the 2nd floor as I used to go to the Mega Gym and you could see them all coming and going from that building.

[Dr CoolHand]

So my friend has reported to me the take out service from Red diamond. He paid 100 $ for 1 HR with a Colombian chick called Catalina. He said her English was great and body amazing but no passion.

She was brought to his apartment and the driver waited for the girl outside the security gate for one hour, he did not have to pay for this. He said he would see her again as she was good company and maybe passion will come 2nd if she thinks he will become a regular.

He also been told by the girl that Red Diamond has 34 girls, 4 of which are from Thailand. Looks like they maybe trying up the game in Simpson Bay.

I checked out the line-up at Red Diamond which is surprisingly good at this time, I can confirm the 4 girls from Thailand (one is very tall which is unusual), furthermore there are 3 Dominicans, 1 Venezuelan and 5 Colombians, the rest are from (former) Russia or Eastern Europe.

One question for you: could you please precise the term "take out service from Red Diamonds" ?

The official rate to take out a girl from Red Diamonds is 250 USD for the house (same rate than in Platinum Room), plus the amount whatever you agree on for the girl.

I understand it was your friend who did the deal. However, it would be interesting to know how that agreement was fixed, as 100 USD per hour seems to be an extremely good rate -I only can imagine it was on her day-off and she was a kind of desperate. Whatever, please let us know.

Cheers.

[FunTimeSxm]

So my friend has reported to me the take out service from Red diamond. He paid 100 $ for 1 HR with a Colombian chick called Catalina. He said her English was great and body amazing but no passion.

She was brought to his apartment and the driver waited for the girl outside the security gate for one hour, he did not have to pay for this. He said he would see her again as she was good company and maybe passion will come 2nd if she thinks he will become a regular.

He also been told by the girl that Red Diamond has 34 girls, 4 of which are from Thailand. Looks like they maybe trying up the game in Simpson Bay.

[Scubatoo]

Checked out both places:

At Casablanca, presently there are 4 ladies are working, all Dominicanas:

Rosemarie, 37 years, 2 kids, lived 10 years in Germany and speaks reasonable good German. Very pleasant to talk to but high on mileage, not my cup of coffee (rating 4 in the looks).

2 other Dominicans which I would rate both as a 5.5 (I'm quite discriminating in my judgement: e. G. Rating 5 I might do, but not tell to my friends).

Lolly (nomen est omen) which is tall but has a cute and firm little ass, pleasant attitude and gives an excellent BBBJCIM. I would rate her as a solid 6.0 in the looks department and a 7.0 in service.

At Sunset Retreat, there are presently 9 chicas working:

7 Dominicanas, rated between 3.5 up to the only 6 (name is "Flor", 28 years, 2 kids, quite tall and a kind of attractive, pleasant attitude and nice to talk to. Since 3 months on St. Maarten).

1 chica from Nicaragua (very different than the well known Dominicans and Colombianas, 25 years, 1 kid, quite educated and very pleasant, since 9 days on the island. I would rate her a solid 6 if you like small boobs.

1 Colombiana, which was "a fuera", hence I didn't get to see her.. But if somebody took her out for the whole night it's already a good sign.

Note: Once inside the bar you will feel pretty safe. No problem. However, as stated by other members in earlier posts. The parking situation is a kind of sketchy. Not much of a plan "be" if somebody would attacks you. You better take precautions.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.

Thanks for the great intel! While I love the Colombian girls, I have had great sessions with DR girls. Just a different approach. With the DR girls, use an alpha dog mindset to tame them. Once you do, you can have your way with them in the room and a great time. Many of the DR girls have poor English. So use Google Translate if you don't know any basic Spanish. The rooms at Casablanca are really good. I have not been to the rooms in Sunset. Both bars have great circulation and the girls love to hang with you if you just want to have a beer. Sunset has an early 4-7 option in the smaller bar accessed from the road behind it. Some parking there as well. At night, park here and walk around the front. The parking lot, believe it or not, is better lit now than a couple of years back.

[Dr CoolHand]

Given all the shake up over immigration, it would be great if you could check out Sunset Retreat and Casablanca and let us know what is happening at those bars. Both are heavily DR girls, but I saw the best looking girl in October at Sunset Retreat. She looked eastern European. These clubs are just around the hill from Defiance.

Checked out both places:

At Casablanca, presently there are 4 ladies are working, all Dominicanas:

Rosemarie, 37 years, 2 kids, lived 10 years in Germany and speaks reasonable good German. Very pleasant to talk to but high on mileage, not my cup of coffee (rating 4 in the looks).

2 other Dominicans which I would rate both as a 5.5 (I'm quite discriminating in my judgement: e. G. Rating 5 I might do, but not tell to my friends).

Lolly (nomen est omen) which is tall but has a cute and firm little ass, pleasant attitude and gives an excellent BBBJCIM. I would rate her as a solid 6.0 in the looks department and a 7.0 in service.

At Sunset Retreat, there are presently 9 chicas working:

7 Dominicanas, rated between 3.5 up to the only 6 (name is "Flor", 28 years, 2 kids, quite tall and a kind of attractive, pleasant attitude and nice to talk to. Since 3 months on St. Maarten).

1 chica from Nicaragua (very different than the well known Dominicans and Colombianas, 25 years, 1 kid, quite educated and very pleasant, since 9 days on the island. I would rate her a solid 6 if you like small boobs.

1 Colombiana, which was "a fuera", hence I didn't get to see her.. But if somebody took her out for the whole night it's already a good sign.

Note: Once inside the bar you will feel pretty safe. No problem. However, as stated by other members in earlier posts. The parking situation is a kind of sketchy. Not much of a plan "be" if somebody would attacks you. You better take precautions.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.