St. Maarten (The southern Dutch side)

[Zing23]

What time does Carolinas stay open until at night. I am there tonight but can't get there until about 1130pm. Is it still worth it?

I think the regular closing time is 2pm, but this time of year they may stay open later, especially on a fri or sat. 1130pm is just warming up time.

-zing

[PogoStick]

Sounds like you had a good time.

Was the lady that was speaking to the chicas a heavy dominicana with a lot of jewelry?

Sorry I missed you.

Mel

Didn't notice the jewelry or no the origin but it was a heavy woman. My eyes where elsewhere. There was too much pretty in the room

[Davidag]

What time does Carolinas stay open until at night. I am there tonight but can't get there until about 1130pm. Is it still worth it?

[Mel365]

Sounds like you had a good time.

Was the lady that was speaking to the chicas a heavy dominicana with a lot of jewelry?

Sorry I missed you.

Mel

[PogoStick]

Sadly, this trip is just about over and I leave in the morning. The last couple of days have been all work and no play but even though I was really tired I had to get back to Carolinas and see my little sensual spinner one more time.

It looks like there is a new batch of girls that just arrived today. First they were all having dinner as one big group, maybe 10 of them, accompanied by one of the lady managers. A bit later they were all sitting on the couches by the desk where you pay the room fee, being sternly read the rules by the same manager. I must say that it looks like a high quality bunch of young ladies!

After fending off several chicas at the bar, a few of which I've been with before, my little darling came into the club. I gave her a smile and she ran into my arms and covered me with kisses. Moments later we were in the room having a passionate reunion. If she could speak English even a little I might have broken my rule against TLN and taken her back to my hotel. But I have an early flight so it probably wouldn't have been for the best anyway.

This is probably my last trip to the islands for this season, although there is a slight chance of an off season trip in June. By then it will be a new batch of chicas and new surprises to discover.

Next stop, Bangkok! Less than 2 weeks to go and I'll be there for almost 2 months.

Sometimes life is good, other times it's fantastic! I love this hobby!

Pogo

[Vitrea]

Hey Ath,

Well said, and it puts the discussion very nicely in perspective. As the discussion has shown there is no easy answer to how one should react when asked for payment up front. Not surprisingly everyone has their own experience and way of responding to it, and everybody has something to learn from the others. I am certainly not encouraging guys to walk out, but trying to put focus on the risks involved whether you opt to stay or leave. At the end of the day each one of us has to follow our own gut feeling. And of course, compared to other aspects of p4p this is a small issue.

Wherever you are, you need to follow the culture. From my own experiences:

- The brothels of Europe: Always payment up front.

- The massage parlours of Europe: It differs from country to country, but usually payment up front.

- Germany RLD: Payment up front / Complete rip-off. You are quoted one price outside her room, another once inside her room before the deed when payment is made. And she will stop the act asking for more money if you go for a service that is not agreed upon (like touching of boobs!).

- Germany FKK clubs: Payment always after the deed.

- Lap dance at US style strip clubs (whether in the US, Europe or in the Caribbean) : Payment usually after the deed (I remember one exception in Miami).

- Chica bars in SXM and CUR: Usually after the deed, but it varies.

Does anyone have experience from Colombia or DR?

S16

Colombia: Casas: Payment up front.

Clubs: On-site: Payment in full upfront.

Clubs: take-out. House fee up front and pay later to the girl.

Hook up outside: payment later.

[Mel365]

Still stuck up her in New York-30 inches of snow Yukkk.

Hope to catch up soon.

Mel

[Mel365]

I have found usually I can pay after the act in the better areas in Bogota and Medellin.

In the poorer areas like Santa Fe it is usually up front, also the massage parlors are $$ up front.

Mel

[GuyThatLikesStuf]

- Chica bars in SXM and CUR: Usually after the deed, but it varies.

I have always put the money on the dresser before starting in SXM and CUR. I have never had a problem with service. Afterwards, If I liked the service I put another $10 tip down. This happens about 1 in 3 times. One time I was upsold in CUR for $20 more for BBJCIM in the middle of a session. I did not ask her for it. She just offered it. And it was a nice release after a nice fuck. I gave her the extra when the session ended.

[PogoStick]

Last night I had dinner with John2526 and then we went to Carolinas. We did a quick recon of Crystals, a first for both of us. There were only a few chicas and a bunch of guys so we left that sausage fest and headed back across the street.

It was fairly slow at Carolinas for 9PM on a Saturday but the chicas were all looking pretty good. There is some nice talent now. We chatted for a while with Carina. She really is a very nice girl, but not really my type. I spied a chica that looked like a dark haired Latin version of Phoebe from the TV show Friends but before I could make a move she got snatched up by another monger. I had another chica that I had been with before hanging on to me for most of the time. She's really sweet and pretty, but tries to get the leche fast when in the room. She finally got the idea that I wasn't going with her and went off seeking a more profitable opportunity.

Lately, I have been more attracted to the wallflowers that just hang out without making an approach. I find they are often very good in the room. I had my eye on one for a while. She noticed me watching and just started smiling back at me. Her smile was so pretty and she just kind of radiated a nice attitude so I called her over for a drink. We chatted as best as we could but she speaks no English at all but she felt really good in my arms. Carina tried to warn me off of her, but the little stick had other ideas by then so off to the room we went anyway.

She was a pleasant surprise. A nice little spinner, totally natural. It may have been an act but she seemed to genuinely like me and made me feel like she really wanted to be with me and enjoyed my company. I prefer to believe it wasn't an act. Everything about her performance was slow and sensual. No head bobbing during the BJ, no bouncing and grinding during anything else. Just sweet, slow, sensual lovemaking. Afterward she cuddled into my arms until the time was up, reluctantly getting up to get dressed.

By the time we got back into the club it was getting pretty crowded. She stayed with me and continued the cuddling in the bar until John came out from his adventure. I hope to see her again.

Another fine evening in SXM. More later.

Pogo

[Shark16]

Is there a difference between having a reputation of not accepting a girl requesting the money first, or just having a reputation of being a guy who comes there all the time, and behaves and pays the going rate? You may think it's the first, but it's really just the second.

Hey Ath,
Well said, and it puts the discussion very nicely in perspective. As the discussion has shown there is no easy answer to how one should react when asked for payment up front. Not surprisingly everyone has their own experience and way of responding to it, and everybody has something to learn from the others. I am certainly not encouraging guys to walk out, but trying to put focus on the risks involved whether you opt to stay or leave. At the end of the day each one of us has to follow our own gut feeling. And of course, compared to other aspects of p4p this is a small issue.

Wherever you are, you need to follow the culture. From my own experiences:
- The brothels of Europe: Always payment up front.
- The massage parlours of Europe: It differs from country to country, but usually payment up front.
- Germany RLD: Payment up front / Complete rip-off. You are quoted one price outside her room, another once inside her room before the deed when payment is made. And she will stop the act asking for more money if you go for a service that is not agreed upon (like touching of boobs!).
- Germany FKK clubs: Payment always after the deed.
- Lap dance at US style strip clubs (whether in the US, Europe or in the Caribbean): Payment usually after the deed (I remember one exception in Miami).
- Chica bars in SXM and CUR: Usually after the deed, but it varies.

Does anyone have experience from Colombia or DR?

S16

[Ath Trainer]

Repeat performances with the same girl should give both you and the girl a comfort zone. She know's you are not going to rip her off, or be disrespectful. You know what kind of service you are going to get, and should get better service than the first visit. Once you know you are in good hands, paying up front should not be an issue, even if she requests it the second visit. It's that first visit, when you are trying to set the performance level with an unknown, when paying up front can be an issue.

I have been more aggressive when it comes to any negotiations with the girls than in the past. I have realized that it's not like picking up a non pro. She may have what you want, but you have what she wants even more. You can get pussy from all the girls there. She may not be able to get $ from the remaining guys. The other thing is they are much more at ease to the negotiation than we are coming from the US, where negotiating a price, etc, is only done at car dealerships.

[GoliathSxm]

Seems like chica's asking for money upfront has become a bigger issue lately. I don't mind paying the standard fee + house fee upfront if need be but I would tell them upfront that there will be a generous tip if the service is great. Maybe this will get them to give better services since they already have your standard fee. Anyone else tried this method? I speak Spanish so I don't have a problem communicating to them.

Another thing is, I like to hang out at the bar with the chica and talk while having drinks for a while getting that GFE before doing the deed LOL. I think it makes for better sex imo. They see that you are not cheap buying drinks for her and maybe another chica if they want to hang out. I don't mind spending money while having a good time myself. But I do want to have a great service when I take a chica to the back.

[Alz55]

I agree with Pogo.

As long as you understand the reason girls are there for, paying upfront should not be an issue. Simply, girls are there to make $$$. Focus more on making it fun, enjoyable and best experience you can.

I've had 2 occasions when girl asked for money upfront. Both times I would leave it on dresser and they would not take it before we are done. Its tough business they are in and I cannot use it against them or let ruin my experience.

I would suggest shifting your energy towards meeting a girl you like / connect with and having awesome time vs. When she asks for payment.

Also remember that girls talk among themselves. Being a generous and gentlemen goes a long way.

Cheers!

[PogoStick]

Let's face it the girls are not there because they like fucking strangers, they are in it for the money. I can understand that chicas sometimes get a non-paying customer and are just trying to protect themselves. I do the exact same thing with new clients in my business. I've learned the hard way that it is necessary. I have one client that just started paying after 4 years of trying to collect. Another client never paid, but now has three years left on an all expenses paid vacation to Federal prison on money laundering charges. I'll never see my money, but I did play a part in his arrest so at least I got some satisfaction.

If I like the chica and she seems like she will be fun, I'll pay up front the first time. After that, money is rarely an issue. What I don't like, and the only reason I'll immediately walk, is when I give them the standard fee and then they ask for a propina upfront. I gave a tip up front only once and had crappy service.

My chica loco from last night was an exception. She never asked for money, even after we were done. I teased her that she owed me money for her orgasm, then I slipped the money under her purse with a fairly generous propina. She tried to give me change! When I told her it was all hers, I got a lot more kisses.

One of the things I like about Bangkok is that the MPs, gogos and beer bars all collect the fees upfront before you take the girl out. Tips are at your own discretion afterward. But if you get really bad service you can go back to the establishment and complain. You'll either get money back or another girl. Freelancers are cheaper, but without any back-up.

I like that safety net so I am willing to pay a bit more for guaranteed satisfaction.

Pogo