St. Maarten (The southern Dutch side)

[AmpDude2003]

Hey guys,

So impressed with the detail offered and responses, thank you for taking the time.

Last time I stayed up on the French side at Esmeralda in the upper north east corner of the island and basically drove all over the island and every day. I hear you about being careful at night, the concrete drainage ducts alongside the road commanded attention, but there wasn't much of a fear factor if you pay attention.

Unfortunately, my Spanish is none existent which is a shame. I did have some fun with iTranslation app in el Captain with a girl who wanted to come back with me for $250 but We stayed onsite and only one visit to El Captain. My goal was to go to every casa I could and unfortunately a second visit here wasn't in the cards. I did find a beautiful Colombian girl who spoke some English in Carolina's. I had a report with her and visited her a second time, but all onsite. I guess you do what you can to inevitably get what you want, but I hear you about the common language building your connection. I guess I am at the age where the connection means more, the whole experience versus the hit and run.

I agree on the book quickly, but there are still lots of places to stay available at preferred areas. I suspect some of the zika virus talk may have some of the would-be travelers second guessing. Who knows.

Thanks everyone. I will return the kindness with a daily journal.

Cheers all.

[Mel365]

I must have driven between Casa Blanca and suckergarten (carolinas etc) at least 100 times.

Unless you are drunk or stoned it is not in any way hazardous. Just stay on the road and don't speed. The only time I had a problem is when a drunk driver drifted into my side of the road about 3 am. Fortunately he woke up in time.

With respect to a GFE-it really depends on your Spanish, the number of times you visit the same chica, and chemistry. If you like one chica in a club and think she has potential for a GFE do not go with any other chica. Just stick with the one you think might be good. Even if she is working do not go with another chica- the chica tellegraph is amazing. Just wait till she returns or go to another club.

Happy hunting,

Mel.

Never stayed there, but I stay in Oyster Pond. Seems like it's a nice property. You'll be close to the Westin, which I believe has a casino. Also, Mr. Busby's Beach bar. And the pizza joint in Oyster Pond will be fairly accessible. You'll have a quick run to Orient Beach from the backside going through Orleans.

Now, what you're really interested in. Although I wouldn't recommend it, you could probably walk to Casa Blanca from where you'd be staying. And this club stays open the latest. Upwards of 5 am On the weekends. Next up from your hotel would be Sunset Retreat on your left (parking in the lot on the right.) Then Defiance further up on the left hand side through the archway.

The top clubs, (Carolina's and Hypnotique and El Capitan), are probably only a 15 minute drive from that hotel. But, and here's the big but. The road at night can be a bit challenging. During the day, you'll have no problems. But although paved, and lit in certain stretches, it's fairly windy and not super wide. There are drainage ditches where the shoulder should be that are a good three and a half feet deep, concrete lined that drop off the road. If you were to drift off a bit, you'd be screwed. Hung off the road with most likely a broken front axle and serious rental car damage.

Don't get me wrong, I've made the late night run into the clubs down from Oyster Pond many a time. You just need to be careful with the drive back. It's not like AAA will be dispatched for you at 2 am For a tow. Think there might be a few posts about the property on here. You'll have a fabulous view of St Barth's, and you can use the beaches at the Westin and Oyster Pond hotel, since all beaches in SXM are public. You just might not be able to rent a chair if they insist you be a guest. Have a great trip. PM me if you want info on a rental car company. Pay less. They have better rates, and I can give you an email address and a contact. If you rent directly, from the manager instead of the company website he gives you a better deal.

Also, outcall escort, really doesn't exist in the way you might be thinking. Outcall escort, is you connect with a chica in a club and take her back to your place. You pay a bar fine / multa and whatever you agree upon with the chica for either a few hours during the day, or an entire night. There might be an agency advertising either here on the net, or on some visitors guide, but I've never been aware of any. With 8 clubs, and the strip joints in Maho / Simpson bay, you've got plenty of opportunity to either dine-in, or take-out.

[Barkey]

First, thanks Barkey for responding to my last inquiry on permits.

Anyone ever stay at Princess Heights on Oyster Pond Road east side of island on dutch side but near french? Thinking about staying here but not sure, seems like a decent location.

Does anyone try or have any luck for more GFE in terms of DFK / LFK? I avoid the strip bars because of cost. Just not worth it based on better options. I went to the place near SXM airport once a few years ago, it was good but the cost / value is not there.

Anyone try outcall massage or outcall escort? I am thinking it may be best to just stick to the bar tour and maybe take out. I just wanted to ask around.

I will be flying in end of Feb / 1 st week of March, renting a car, etc.

Cheers all!

Hey.

I generally stay in the Oyster Pond area when I visit the island. The hotels are fairly close to the casas (maybe 10 minutes away at most) and they are also fairly close to Orient Beach where I like to spend my days. I prefer the comforts of Oyster Bay Beach Resort but for short stays Captain Olivers gets the job done. This is the high season so if you haven't made your reservations yet better do so fast. Being high season and so close to your arrival date be prepared to pay a high price wherever you stay.

As far as find a good GFE that is something that you will have to work out all on your own. How's your Spanish? While it's not necessary to speak a lot of Spanish to get by in the bars, every little bit helps. Head over to Carolonas after 9 pm. Spend some time getting to know a chica over a couple of drinks at the bar. Try to determine if there is some chemistry (other than the obvious physical connection) between you and the girl. I could go on and on but I don't think there is any better advice that one could offer than for you to go back and read through Routards Chica Management posts in the Reports of Distinction. It is all summed up there very accurately. As a matter of fact, I was just re-reading his articles over the weekend in preparation for what these wonderful girls might throw at me on my next visit.

Personally I have found that my idea of GFE has evolved over the last couple of years. Just like we all have different ideas what is the perfect chica, probably we all have our own standards for GFE. I was content with maybe some DFK while enjoying my half hour session. And I had no problem with that. Now, for better or for worse, I find there is nothing more GFE than having some hot, young, amazing Colombiana falling asleep in your arms after a good workout once we've returned from a long day at the beach or just a fantastic night out. Damn! What level am I at?

I'm not aware of any official escort services in St Martin and just what the massage places that are in the internet offer I can't help with that either. You can, of course, find chicas for TLN / TLD at the casas but it might be a long night if you don't speak enough Spanish to keep the conversation going. You might be able to find some that do know more English than most and maybe that would help if you happen not to know the language.

Anyway, have fun and we look forward to your reports.

Barkey.

[ClubTed]

Never stayed there, but I stay in Oyster Pond. Seems like it's a nice property. You'll be close to the Westin, which I believe has a casino. Also, Mr. Busby's Beach bar. And the pizza joint in Oyster Pond will be fairly accessible. You'll have a quick run to Orient Beach from the backside going through Orleans.

Now, what you're really interested in. Although I wouldn't recommend it, you could probably walk to Casa Blanca from where you'd be staying. And this club stays open the latest. Upwards of 5 am On the weekends. Next up from your hotel would be Sunset Retreat on your left (parking in the lot on the right.) Then Defiance further up on the left hand side through the archway.

The top clubs, (Carolina's and Hypnotique and El Capitan), are probably only a 15 minute drive from that hotel. But, and here's the big but. The road at night can be a bit challenging. During the day, you'll have no problems. But although paved, and lit in certain stretches, it's fairly windy and not super wide. There are drainage ditches where the shoulder should be that are a good three and a half feet deep, concrete lined that drop off the road. If you were to drift off a bit, you'd be screwed. Hung off the road with most likely a broken front axle and serious rental car damage.

Don't get me wrong, I've made the late night run into the clubs down from Oyster Pond many a time. You just need to be careful with the drive back. It's not like AAA will be dispatched for you at 2 am For a tow. Think there might be a few posts about the property on here. You'll have a fabulous view of St Barth's, and you can use the beaches at the Westin and Oyster Pond hotel, since all beaches in SXM are public. You just might not be able to rent a chair if they insist you be a guest. Have a great trip. PM me if you want info on a rental car company. Pay less. They have better rates, and I can give you an email address and a contact. If you rent directly, from the manager instead of the company website he gives you a better deal.

Also, outcall escort, really doesn't exist in the way you might be thinking. Outcall escort, is you connect with a chica in a club and take her back to your place. You pay a bar fine / multa and whatever you agree upon with the chica for either a few hours during the day, or an entire night. There might be an agency advertising either here on the net, or on some visitors guide, but I've never been aware of any. With 8 clubs, and the strip joints in Maho / Simpson bay, you've got plenty of opportunity to either dine-in, or take-out.

First, thanks Barkey for responding to my last inquiry on permits.

Anyone ever stay at Princess Heights on Oyster Pond Road east side of island on dutch side but near french? Thinking about staying here but not sure, seems like a decent location.

Does anyone try or have any luck for more GFE in terms of DFK / LFK? I avoid the strip bars because of cost. Just not worth it based on better options. I went to the place near SXM airport once a few years ago, it was good but the cost / value is not there.

Anyone try outcall massage or outcall escort? I am thinking it may be best to just stick to the bar tour and maybe take out. I just wanted to ask around.

I will be flying in end of Feb / 1 st week of March, renting a car, etc.

Cheers all!

[AmpDude2003]

First, thanks Barkey for responding to my last inquiry on permits.

Anyone ever stay at Princess Heights on Oyster Pond Road east side of island on dutch side but near french? Thinking about staying here but not sure, seems like a decent location.

Does anyone try or have any luck for more GFE in terms of DFK / LFK? I avoid the strip bars because of cost. Just not worth it based on better options. I went to the place near SXM airport once a few years ago, it was good but the cost / value is not there.

Anyone try outcall massage or outcall escort? I am thinking it may be best to just stick to the bar tour and maybe take out. I just wanted to ask around.

I will be flying in end of Feb / 1 st week of March, renting a car, etc.

Cheers all!

[Sunty]

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[Barkey]

http://smn-news.com/st-maarten-st-ma...-requests.html

Hi all,

Hoping my fav island is still business as usual. I was there about 9 months ago, checked out every chica bar and Carolina's 2 x.

Thanks all.

In spite of some of the inaccuracies in the comments in the report it doesn't sound like good news. However, things do have a way of working themselves out and I would hope that the clubs still will find a way to keep the chicas coming for a long time.

As for your trip next month I don't think you will have any problems. I've been chatting with a friend who recently returned to the island and she says that in recent weeks there have been many (too many) new arrivals. Assuming that they have the proper visas they could stay for up to six months. I'll be there in about 6 weeks or so and from the daily whatsapp messages she plans to be there in March. Can't wait!

[AmpDude2003]

http://smn-news.com/st-maarten-st-ma...-requests.html

Hi all,

Hoping my fav island is still business as usual. I was there about 9 months ago, checked out every chica bar and Carolina's 2 x.

Thanks all.

[Woorace]

I beleive you mean Carolina's. Shouldn't have to pay almost double for 2 girls in the same time period.

Sorry. You are right about the name.

[Ath Trainer]

Was in Christina's the week before Christmas right around opening time. Just a couple of girls were in the bar, but as it got closer to noon, it got busier. Not much to look at, so I was just enjoying a beer, when a young lady with huge natural tits approached me. Not normally my type, but they were huge, so I said why not. But, I said, let me finish my beer first, and in walks "My Type', a slim natural built lovely from Columbia named Paola. Ny my dilemma, is which one do I take. Hey, why not both, so I start talking to the 1st girl (don't remember her name) about doing a double. The price now goes up from $60 for 1 to $100 each for 2. I say OK, provided both girls get into each other, and she brought over Paola. I got agreement on what I wanted and off to the room. They both starter on me, which was fine, but I asked them a couple of times to start on each other. The 1st girl, who was more in charge, didn't seem to get the hint, so I finally said that if you want to get paid, get to it. She got the hint and went down on Paola and Paola seemed to enjoy it. One I started skiing Paola, the other girl didn't exist, and from then on, it was all about Paola. I did let both of them do bobby on me, but the best was when Paola was kissing me my the other girl was sucking. Finally, I finished off with Paola doing a great Cowgirl. Wished I was going to be there a couple of days, as I would have down my best to take Paola out, but had to get back on the ship.

I beleive you mean Carolina's. Shouldn't have to pay almost double for 2 girls in the same time period.

[Woorace]

Was in Christina's the week before Christmas right around opening time. Just a couple of girls were in the bar, but as it got closer to noon, it got busier. Not much to look at, so I was just enjoying a beer, when a young lady with huge natural tits approached me. Not normally my type, but they were huge, so I said why not. But, I said, let me finish my beer first, and in walks "My Type', a slim natural built lovely from Columbia named Paola. Ny my dilemma, is which one do I take. Hey, why not both, so I start talking to the 1st girl (don't remember her name) about doing a double. The price now goes up from $60 for 1 to $100 each for 2. I say OK, provided both girls get into each other, and she brought over Paola. I got agreement on what I wanted and off to the room. They both starter on me, which was fine, but I asked them a couple of times to start on each other. The 1st girl, who was more in charge, didn't seem to get the hint, so I finally said that if you want to get paid, get to it. She got the hint and went down on Paola and Paola seemed to enjoy it. One I started skiing Paola, the other girl didn't exist, and from then on, it was all about Paola. I did let both of them do bobby on me, but the best was when Paola was kissing me my the other girl was sucking. Finally, I finished off with Paola doing a great Cowgirl. Wished I was going to be there a couple of days, as I would have down my best to take Paola out, but had to get back on the ship.

[Barkey]

That forum is often dominated by know-it-alls, who take every opportunity to criticize others about how they go about their business and to boast that they have the only secret formula for success in MDE. Getting in disagreements / arguments in the forum is exhausting and it takes away from sharing quality information that helps all.

I hear you. Have fun!

[Mel365]

As the discussion here tended to Colombia I wanted to share a bit of experience.

I use Seeking Arrangements in the USA with Great success. I tried for Bogota last week.

I could not believe the response 80-100 US for TNL. It seems that the chicas are on vacation from University and need money.

Unbelievable!

Mel.

[LookingToSwing4]

Hi. Sorry to hear that your experience wasn't what you had hoped for or what you expected. I hope that you have better luck in MDE.

Unfortunately you only were able to get the flavor of Carolinas in the afternoon. Normally the PM is pretty quite when compared to the night and even worse if no ships were in. I believe that unless the girls have been taken out they are generally required to be available during the afternoons while not necessarily sitting in the bar. When no ships are in port I think there is a lot more freedom given to the girls and they can go out and run some errands or just get caught up on some sleep thus the selection is not the best. The nights are usually much more entertaining with maybe 25-30 chicas to choose from at Carolinas.

For first timers to SXM I have to agree that entering the casas at night can be a bit daunting. A couple of years ago in my first visit I too was questioning my wisdom about going in but thought "what the hell" and haven't looked back since. With the local standing on the street in front of Carolinas or even hanging out in the hallway leading to the entrance looks scary but I don't think that anyone who is behaving properly should have a problem. At least I haven't. I will admit, however, I was questioning my wisdom more than once during my last visit when I arrived when the area was without power. There were many, many more guy hanging out (in the almost complete darkness) than usual and I did feel uncomfortable but all turned out OK.

As written here many times each of us have a different way of going about our business. It sounds like you are more in favor a a club atmosphere than being in the casas. Good for you. If I were a lot younger maybe I would feel the same. However since I have way too many years, I prefer the casa scene. I prefer to get comfortable at the bar, check our the talent and have fun selecting out my novia for the night, and having fun. At first I was all for the quick pop and run but now I find that spending time with just the right one (they do put on a great show and make you feel wanted) and spend time including TLD / TLN makes for a fantastic time. For me it makes the mongering experience just so much better.

Anyway, again, good luck in MDE. I hope to see your reports since a couple of my more recent novias would really like me to visit them in Colombia. Wonder whY? LOL.

Barkey.

As you said, it is all about our preferences. Like the last poster, I do suspect I missed out by not visiting at night. Just being honest about my level of comfort and, for once, was thinking with my big head vs the little one. And in response to his comments, el Centro in MDE is far worse, but it is an area I NEVER go to after dark, and that was the closest comparison I could come up with.

I think I will travel to SXM again, because the SCUBA diving was fantastic, especially on Saba. And having the opportunity for fun after the dive day is over is a plus. But, for me, I think it is one of those places that fits a few days versus the week model. Going to a casa-like place fits when I am just looking to take the edge off. When I have more time, I prefer the GFE-like experience that MDE offers. But I will also know to be more informed about the cruise ship schedule to maximize the girls who are working the days that I do go.

Barkey, you will not see a post of my MDE trip. Sorry. I go thru phases, but have chosen not to post there for awhile. That forum is often dominated by know-it-alls, who take every opportunity to criticize others about how they go about their business and to boast that they have the only secret formula for success in MDE. Getting in disagreements / arguments in the forum is exhausting and it takes away from sharing quality information that helps all. I do not see that much on this board, so I was willing to post my experience. You really should visit Colombia. I have never been to other cities, but can tell you MDE is awesome. And having a Facebook account will connect you up with more 8-10's than you can handle or have leche for.

[Puntz79]

If you want my honest opinion, I think you missed out especially with evening action. I've been to SXM several times, and am always solo. Never had an issue. I would not venture out to El Centro in the evening, but I would not have an issue with the SXM clubs / bars. On my first trip ever to SXM, I stopped by El Capitan first since it was most visible. While it can seem sketchy at first, it's really not especially if you have been to RLD's around the world. I have seen far more dangerous areas in Europe. It's simple. Park your car, walk in, have a drink at the bar if you see a bunch of chicas, if not interested then you can walk out back to your car, drive on over to the next club. I'm a little surprised you were concerned about the area at night considering you have been to Colombia. I rate Santa Fe (Bogota) and El Centro (Medellin) as areas where I'm far much more concerned about what is going on around me than in SXM, although I have not personally faced issues in either Colombia or SXM. Most of the patrons at the club are there solo. I have met a couple stunners at Carolina's and Hypnotic that were in Santa Fe (Bogota) before, I never have an issue finding quality in SXM at any time of the year.

OK. I drove by the other night, but did not go in. I just felt too uncomfortable with the scene surrounding the bar areas to get out of the car as I am solo. Felt too much like being in el Centro at night, in MDE. But I did go back yesterday, during the day and went in; probably arrived about 1:30. Was a very slow day as there were ZERO cruise ships in port. I did not know that happened based on the 3-5 that were in port every other day of my visit. LOL The selection was limited and a few were napping. I did go back with a decent looking Colombiana from Cali. Bar is OK with some sofas surrounding a small dance stage. Not sure how much dancing that goes on there, but that could be a fun place to be when the girls are dancing and having fun.

Pretty much what you get is a casa-level experience. Chat with a chica over a drink, then head back to the room after she has man-handled your package to full attention. LOL Rooms are OK, as the girls live in their rooms, so that aspect was better than I would have thought from the look of the outside. Both bar area and rooms were far better that what it looked like on the outside.

After the deed was done, I was satisfied and did not regret going. And even though I did not see the full selection of chicas, I have determined it is not really my kind of place. Price was right, but I am not a casa guy and that is exactly what it is. Carolinas appears to get decent looking Colombianas who are just a bit over the age threshold for consistent business in their home country. The one I went with fit that profile, but she also preferred St Maarten as she did not want to do this kind of work in her home country for fear of family or friends discovering what she was doing. Those who enjoy the casa experience will enjoy the place; low investment, pop and leave. And while I prefer the experience / service I receive in MDE, I can see visiting again if I was here for just a few days, or in-port on a cruise.

Thanks to all for the help and insight. Felt that deserved a report-out!