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02-03-24 23:27 #7735
Posts: 74Comparing SXM to Tijuana
Originally Posted by Shark16 [View Original Post]
A brief rundown of Tijuana spas:
1) Massage parlors: don't go to these. The lineups are tiny (2-3 girls most of the time) and lack consistency in quality and service; these are a trap for the uninformed.
2) Club girls: these are much closer to German FKKs than SXM brothels. The meet and greet areas are enormous multifloor strip clubs where every woman is available for p4 p in an attached hotel. There will be 30-80 available with no siesta break and a plethora of women with Lia-tier bodies and prettier faces. Standard service is $100 for half HR of CFS with GFE being easily negotiable for money or charm. Oh and the chicas in Tijuana speak MUCH better English so comms are very easy compared to SXM.
3) Non-spas: escorts in Tijuana are where you can expect a caro-quality chica to come to your hotel for an hour of standard GFE and many potential extras available. Escorts typically run about $100-150 but take care to avoid bait and switch. The seeking scene is also very active but not for me, I prefer the reliability of professionals.
Comparing Tijuana to SXM:
Tijuana beats SXM in most aspects of mongering tbh. It has 24/7 access to a harem of model tier chicas, larger quantity + variety of other tiers of women, greater English proficiency, and actual club / hotel / hygiene infrastructure. SXM has a niche at the $50 price point: half an HR with a quality chica isn't hard to find in SXM but there isn't much available in Tijuana for $50 except streetwalkers who tend to be much lower in quality than other options. At $100 in Tijuana you'll get a half hour with a supermodel or an hour of a sloppy GFE escort from the comfort of your hotel, those options don't exist in SXM.
Tijuana is definitely preferable to SXM in the categories of logistics and safety. Getting to Tijuana is super easy via San Diego and the hotels, food, and red light district are all walking distance so no need to rent a car. Mongers are protected since we're a huge source of income.
SXM trounces Tijuana for non sex tourism. SXM is a lot more vacationy. The beaches have white sand and crystal clear water, beautiful topless nonpros sunbathing on the french side, you can go snorkling or jetskiing or parasailing, there's drinkable tap water, and there's a wonderful blend of Dutch, French, creole, and cruiseship cultures while Tijuana is local Mexicans who are lovely but its a monoculture with some mongers sprinkled in.
For further off topic discussion feel free to shoot a PM or ask in the other forums.
P.S. the cleanup script is so dumb, if someone writes poorly that should just go through and accurately reflect that poster's contribution instead of fucking up well-written information that the narrow rules of the bot isn't prepared for.
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02-03-24 20:47 #7734
Posts: 87Originally Posted by FunTimeSxm [View Original Post]
From my experience, I saw 10-15 girls max working on the floor at nighttime considering some of the girls are taking a night off, hottest and popular ones are already taken TLN, some are in the back working or getting dolled up in room before coming out.
Most girls make their $ during the day when cruise-ship crew come between 11 am and 4 pm. Hottest chicas are taken out of the club (TLN) by 8-9 pm most nights but there are always those nights they are not taken out and you get pleasure to meet the hotties. If you see hot chic, take advantage of the opportunity fellas as she might not be there following night (s). Patience always pays off for me and don't ever go with first chic that approaches me. Have a drink or two by bar and keep an eye out on what's going on, what chicas are coming back from room before you make any moves / pick.
I noticed coupe of nights in December when there were many (5-6) ships docked that day, which is great for chicas to make $ but they are not as motivated at nighttime — they likely do not want to pay barfine of $80 to take the night off so I have seen chicas around on phones at night, totally disinterested of speaking to any client. Club should probably ban the excessive use of phones as it does not set right atmosphere in bar. When you walk in, chicas used to hang out there and making eye contact with customers in aim to link, not looking down in their phones.
Girls seem to be more motivated to work at nighttime if they haven't made enough $ during day. It's quite noticeable as they get to be more engaging, making eye contact, and wanting to link / talk and take them in the back.
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02-03-24 16:32 #7733
Posts: 1350Originally Posted by SmallWeinerGuy [View Original Post]
Thanks for giving back to the forum. Excellent reporting.
I can very much relate to what you are saying compared to my week early December. I guess we are all hoping for a report for some improvement in the lineups at other places than Carolina's, but it still not seems to be the case. Even in 2024. Oh, I remember when Seaman's / Hypnotic could race Carolina's. Or when there were a handful of chicas at Empire that superseded anyone at the other bars. But that's 5- 10 years ago now. At least.
Ah, the missing shower heads. Haha! Apparently the girls bring those home as a souvenir after a "SXM vacation". They are popular! And the bar seems to have given up replacing the missing ones. Sometimes the hose is also gone, and the water is coming out of a hole in the wall. At least the water is somewhat tempered now. It used to be freezing cold. My solution is to bring soap and towels from the hotel and ask the chica to join. I have too many sweet memories soaping up the chicas in the showers to care much. What can I say. I am dirty bastard and a romantic!
Yeah, that's a far cry from a FKK visit, to which I notice you have certain experience. But similar to Curacao (when there was a Campo) and Aruba. I also see that you have some experience from Tijuana and DR and perhaps Colombia. How does the "spa experience" compare?
(keep it short to not pollute the thread too much).
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02-03-24 10:50 #7732
Posts: 74Do you like large black women? Go to El General.
Do you like large black women and some large latina women? Go to El Capitan.
Crystal: Idk how this place stays open given that caro's is right across the street and every time I've peeked in it's empty. At least el general and el capitan had men who are into the type of women provided there.
Empire: I don't normally like celeb comparisons but angie looks like veronica leal but skinnier+bigger nose. She also does a lot of coke and has awesome dance moves and without having experienced it I'm 99% certain she's an absolutely filthy tart in bed. Unfortunately when I walked in she demanded I pay for her whiskey to which I was like uhhh maybe a beer? And then she ordered a whiskey anyway (not a misunderstanding, she definitely thought I would roll over) and stormed off when I said no. Lia also has a killer body but declined BBBJ so I didn't pursue, seems like based on other reports that was my loss. In addition to the large bar and safe parking, the barfine is cheaper than caro's and showers actually have showerheads, but still can't compete with caro's on chica quality.
Carolinas: I hate how small the bar is and the rooms feel like a prison. Outside smells like a sewer, inside smells like an ashtray, and the threat of violent crime is very real late at night. Girls will text each other "I saw smallweinerguy go off with another chick" and then guilt you, and the tiny bar setup means every session is plainly visible. However there are always 5+ women on the floor who would be the prettiest girl at any of the other clubs so there's very little reason to go elsewhere.
Lorena at caro columbian 24 dark hair, light skin, she was one of two women in the bar at 430 p on a Monday. Nice BBBJ, good fuck, light kissing, no DATY. Probably the worse session I had, and I deserve it for going at 430 in the afternoon. 5. 5/10 service.
Natalia at caro 25 dirty blonde with glowing skin and cute eyebrows. LFK, very nice DATY, pretended to cum so that was nice of her, really good session only thing is she defaulted to a halfhearted CBJ even after fake cumming in FIV, maybe my fault for not confirming oral naturalo before going with her. 8/10 service.
Jimena at caro columbian dark hair light skin, ok BBBJ, nice fuck, allowed DFK, DATY. Also pretended to cum but was a much worse actress than natalia. I love the lube these girls use, has a nice heat to it. 7/10 service.
Mia at caro elegant looking dark hair tan skin colombian 29 looks great dolled up in a black dress but is bigger than expected when the clothes came off. Disappointment didn't last long. Excellent DFK, ok BBBJ, fun DATY, actually came during FIV and made herself cum again during cowgirl. Very fun session. 8. 5/10 service.
Valeria at empire dark hair, white skin, GND attractive and enthusiastic but lacking skillwise: bad kissing, bad actress during DATY, ok BBBJ, and ok at sex. Legitimately flabberghasted that she's 40 (she could pass for 28 easily). 6/10 service.
Salome at caro 31 year old colombian but she looks 25, long hair some of it dirty blonde, light skin she has those plump stripper lips but they don't look bad on her, very fit body, clit piercing, great DFK, great BBBJ, a little too active during sex, "professional" is the word I would use to describe her. Also has a peacock tattoo. 9/10. Probably the best bang to buck ratio that I experienced considering looks and service level (she looks MUCH better with clothes off which is not always true re: scars from babies or boob surgery).
Eva at caro colombian 30's, long dark hair, kinda tall but usually sitting near the entrance, lower back tattoo, great DFK, great BBBJ, good fuck, culo available, very experienced as a sexworker which some find a turnoff but I appreciate a woman who knows what she's doing. Also she speaks ok english (maybe the best at carolinas) and is kinda awesome too. 9/10 service, she'd be one of the most popular girls there if she was younger / hotter.
Honestly when I booked my vacation I assumed SXM would be a nice touristy resort island with good infrastructure and I was not prepared for its 3rd world character. It was a good experience and I'm glad I did it but I'm not sure I would return bc I like clean safe areas. I still think its worth doing. The women are gorgeous and very reasonably priced, the crime is safer than Colombia, the beaches are great re: plausible deniability of the trip, and the entire island outside of chica bars speaks english. I would 1000% come back if someone opened up a higher end establishment where the barfine isn't $500 and the showers are hygenic and accessible.
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02-01-24 18:56 #7731
Posts: 172Thanks for the verification guys, I thought 48 girls was too good to be true.
With regards to crime outside, I know someone was jumped by 3 youths by tennis court car parks late on a Friday night, They managed to get away as the attackers were disorganised. If you park your car more than 10-15 metres from the entrance ask security to walk you to your car if you are on your own, also get a roady bottled beer for the drive home, so you have something to defend yourself with just in case.
Also be wary of the youths on scooters or bikes.
With regards to VIP area, I remember when Dominican Alexa had a room up there, top of the stairs, immediate you-turn to the right. The room was absolute massive, had some fun times with her in there.
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02-01-24 14:36 #7730
Posts: 74Originally Posted by Shark16 [View Original Post]
Yeah, things have changed post corona. Tip. Bring towel and shampo with you from the hotel.
Originally Posted by FunTimeSxm [View Original Post]
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02-01-24 12:29 #7729
Posts: 1350Originally Posted by FunTimeSxm [View Original Post]
Who is the source? The bartender said 20- 25 in December. That was hard to believe as I never counted more than 10 in the bar. But after making several visits day and night I must admit the bartender was right. They are there, but just not in the bar.
Pre corona there were reports (not personal experience) about 60 chicas in Carolina's at one time. That's during high season in St. Martin (from January to March / April). So 48 girls may be true.
There are also rooms upstairs in the Carolina building. I do not know how many. They are rarely used for guests. I have only been there once. They looked better than the rooms downstairs. A chica showed me a VIP area with jacuzzi. That was a long time ago.
Before the time of smartphone (yeah, I am getting old but vaguely remember) Carolina's had a lot of stricter rules. The chicas had to be in the bar and sign in at 11 am and 8 pm every day. What a perfect time to be there and assess the lineup! There were also rules that they had to be available in the bar all the time (except for when with a guest, siesta and after the bar closed), so there were always plenty of chicas in the bar at any time.
Not anymore. I have tried to think about reasons why (pure speculation on my part of course):
- Some chicas are simply busy in the rooms.
- Some chicas are on TLNs or takeouts during day.
- Smartphones have made it easier to sign in electronically. They show up in the bar when they feel like/are ready.
- Some chicas focus mostly on cruise tourists during the day, while others have their focus on the night. I noticed a couple of chicas showing up in the bar just before midnight who I had never seen during my visits during daytime or early evening visits.
- The chicas are allowed to rest and take a few hours or a day off whenever they feel like as long as they have paid rent to the bar (pure speculation of course, but I imagine that the chicas of today are not as tired as they used to be way back, typically being able to sleep during day after a stressful TLN).
- The chicas order food and have their lunch / dinner break in the back (you can observe this all the time).
- They shower and spend time brushing up (hey, these are females. It takes time to look that good!)
The important thing these days is to remember to have a little patience. If you do not see who you want when entering the bar, sometimes it pays to sit back and relax to see what's happening the next couple of hours. But not always. I still got things to learn about the dynamics of a chica bar.
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02-01-24 12:09 #7728
Posts: 172Carolina's number of girls
So apparently Caro has 48 girls working there, I find that hard to believe as I trying to think where they would all sleep, though I do know girls share rooms. I think the most girls I have ever seen on the floor is about 30 at any one time.
Any of you guys ever seen more than 30 on the floor, thinking may have to do a Spring trip.
Regarding rooms at Caro, yeah sometimes you get taken to a barebones room. Other times the chica will invite you to her personal room where it's a lot more cosy. If they invite you to their room, they are usually happy to lend you a towel etc if you want to shower and clean up properly.
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02-01-24 10:50 #7727
Posts: 1350Originally Posted by SmallWeinerGuy [View Original Post]
Back in the day there was this latino taxi driver always with a huge smile and a lot of insights about the chicas. I truly miss him.
Even the dogs are friendly. Beware of the cat!
Last month there was a drug addict in the side street at night asking for "dollar, dollar". He is friendly too. But there may be others. Just be vigilant and take normal precautions. Avoid being pissed drunk and alone in that side street at night.
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02-01-24 00:54 #7726
Posts: 1350Originally Posted by SmallWeinerGuy [View Original Post]
Carolinas:
Largest selection and highest quality of women.
Men don't get towels here, girls give you paper towels to clean individual bits and you're better off showering at your hotel after.
Location is a little sketch, lots of stray dogs and drug dealers hanging out in front. I haven't run into any issues personally but I parked on the side of the building and the bartender insisted I move my car to the front of the building so I don't get stabbed.
Maybe Crystal / Empire are actually competitive and I just caught them on off days,
Thanks for the report.
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01-31-24 21:03 #7725
Posts: 74SXM Island Jan 2024
I've been in SXM for 2 days, initial thoughts.
General:
I rented a car but I hate hate hate driving on these roads. There's no sidewalk and every road is one lane each way so if anyone parks weird or makes a left turn then traffic gets backed up. Also the speed bumps aren't painted and are impossible to see at night.
The demand side of sexwork skews much younger here. I've traveled a lot and most of the time its 50-60+ year old white guys but here the crowd is mostly 20-40 year old dark skinned folk with a few old white guys sprinkled in.
Carolinas:
Largest selection and highest quality of women. Main bar area is small and dark, music is loud. Arriba rooms are bare bones, just a bed and a sad bathroom. Men don't get towels here, girls give you paper towels to clean individual bits and you're better off showering at your hotel after. The showers don't even have showerheads, its practically a hose. Location is a little sketch, lots of stray dogs and drug dealers hanging out in front. I haven't run into any issues personally but I parked on the side of the building and the bartender insisted I move my car to the front of the building so I don't get stabbed. Kissing and BBBJ are common but you must negotiate beforehand, otherwise you'll get upcharged in the room.
Crystal:
Across the street from Carolinas. Similarly sized bar area to Carolinas but haven't seen any quality women. I've been in several times hoping for Luisa but I'm peaking my head in, scanning the room while getting accosted by older larger chicas, and leaving immediately. Haven't seen the arriba rooms yet.
Empire:
I quite like the location. Just up the hill from Carolinas / Crystal and has a big spacious bar area and its own parking lot which is nice. Unfortunately I've visited at different points in the morning and evening and found zero interesting women.
Maybe Crystal / Empire are actually competitive and I just caught them on off days, I will try to make an effort to find someone at either Crystal or Empire or somewhere that isn't Carolinas before I leave on Friday. I would have been interested to check out Red Diamond or Platinum but they open at 10 p and I want to minimize my night driving here as much as possible and they're a bit of a trek to get to. I'll report on individual chicas later.
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01-31-24 13:48 #7724
Posts: 172Originally Posted by Knoteebuoy [View Original Post]
Also I hear rumours that a new brothel maybe opening off the L be Scott road. If it turns out to be true I will confirm on here.
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01-31-24 01:30 #7723
Posts: 158Casa Blanca
Has any one been to Casa Blanca recently. Wondering if it's worth a visit or not. Also wondering how safe it is these days. Haven't been there in several years.
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01-30-24 23:35 #7722
Posts: 172Originally Posted by TigerMuskie [View Original Post]
Me and especially my friends are quite well known in the clubs and have reputations, especially as 50% of the girls have been regularly working in Sxm for several years. Word gets around. It's caused me some headaches in the past.
Yeah the standard of girls you get for the money you pay is a bargain, can only imagine what it's like at the source.
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01-30-24 23:22 #7721
Posts: 172Originally Posted by BobVis13 [View Original Post]
Secret hostess I only recognise 1, who is now working in Carolinas.
You don't really need to use those sites, better off going to the sucker garden clubs or meeting the girls out in the popular bars on certain nights.
Also if you go on Tinder, quite a few girls use that to gives likes.
Pelican Piano bar Monday night there will be anywhere between 6-12 freelancers between 10 pm and 1 am.
Soggy Dollar Tuesday night as it's Latin night. Loads of them are in there plus you will prob see some club girls on take out.
Wednesday I would say Lotus nightclub is good bet as its ladies night, you will prob see a lot of Caro girls there after midnight as certain punters like taking out 4 or more girls there at any one time.
Friday, bars in Maho are a good bet, you see the freelancers patrol looking and going into most bars trying to sell their services.