FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Kosher Kowboy]

I agree with HS101. I don't know him personally but from reading his reports, he is well traveled and has a lot of mongering miles on his body. It is absurd to jump on him for reporting what he experiences accurately. The reality is that 30 m50 e has ceased be the textbook definition for a while. You can't get all the goodies that you think should be free such as DFK, BBBJ, BLS, and full 30 M. Not with the hot lookers. And not consistently, and definitely not for a new face in the club from every single hot girl in the club. Perhaps you might get lucky with one girl, perhaps two girls. But if you line up the 10 or 15 best lookers in Sharks or Oase, send a new face to each of them, indoctrinate the new guy with a clear definition of the text book price and he holds steadfast, see how many of the girls give him all the goodies. I would bet a small percentage, if lucky.

If I understand HS101, that's pretty much all he said. Just a simple recitation of ground reality as it exists today.

Agree with all. Whether HS overpaid, underpaid, fucked for free, got perks for less all doesn't matter what does matter relates to one of the purposes of these boards which is to report experiences so others can see reality. Actual experiences and recent ones a little bit of the ' What have you done for me lately' thing. Actual reviews, real names, dates, details etc. Yes HS paid over what is ' traditional' but perhaps he paid what was ' actual' and I don't give a flying fuck if he got ripped off or got a deal, he posted ' truth in reporting. ' And he probably knows he paid up more than some 'claim' (or bullshit) but I can say with great confidence many reviews are guys saying they paid 50 or 100 when they really paid more their ego or fear of being attacked by others as ' stop fucking up prices' gets in the way of accuracy so I absolutely agree with the absurdity of jumping on the reviews of HS. To attack HS is actually to discourage the continuous flow of reviews and accuracy regardless of price as no posts are as valuable to a P6 site than reviews themselves. They are our bread and butter and need to be encouraged and appreciated even if one doesn't agree.

Now jumping down to Darmstadt, not all stick to it but part of the current Sharks ' agreement' (as explained by a former Shark) which only the top quarter stick too (but 90 percent of the guys want them only) so they are the ones most attendees are gunning for is that any guy who walks in the club who is totally unknown or a first timer (which probably does not relate to any of us who have) he is to be upsold, given no breaks, 30 minutes is to be between 15 and 20 and hours 45 minutes. So if you are new go study the reviews and layout of Sharks or some other FKK Club like Artemis, Oase etc and tell the girl you go there, at least they think you have experience if you can toss out a few tidbits to let them know and / or say you have been to Sharks was over a year and a half ago etc. Don't say you are new. New guys are to be quoted 100 for a 30 min BBBJ and 150 BBBJ hours, old faces they work with.

That is how it was explained to me.

On another note, these girls are very shrewd in all their observations of new guys or regulars. A few trips ago I was at Mainhatten talking to a girl I had never met and visa versa. She asked me if I was new to the club and explained been coming for 3 years and I jump between clubs. She replied she can see I had been to Germany several times. I was a tad baffled how she knew and asked her and she explained I had brought and was wearing my own shoes that no new guys show up with their own shoes. Basically, nothing skips by these girls. At least not the good ones.

Maybe invest in a 10 dollar pair of Wal Mart sandals that are waterproof. Might save you more than a few Euros (along with persistence in negotiating) , never know.

[BigBuddy69]

Yes that's trus, and Sharks is more than probably not the best place to go with these kind of expectations. HS101 is totally honest in his reviews, two years ago when I came in Sharks I was already pissed off by this permanent upselling. It's not a problem of being an "only 50 euros cheap charlie whatever' kind of guy, I have no problems with 1 h (and sometimes more) sessions. And the girls I have sessionned the most never asked me how long I wanted to stay. I don't have to commit to spend a minimal amount of money other than 50 € especially with a girl I don't know. I only went once with a girl who told me that she only accepted one hour sessions, only because she had a very high reputation. And I told her clearly that I'll stay true to my word if her service was really good, otherwise I'd leave. I finished spending 1 h30 with this girl.

One of my French friends is a 50 euros kind of guy because he cums fast and has no interest staying after. He warmed me before my first visit that in Hessen, you had to be very clear with what you wanted before to go in the room. Sometimes he argues a little with me because he thinks that in Sharks, you can still get good sessions for 50 euros but every time he goes to Sharks, he picks mainly above 30 yo girls. Still, he hasn't a 100% success rate, last time he had to pay 60 € for 30 minutes for one girl and he committed to 1 h session with another because she didn't want to fuck for 50 €.

[Shark16]

You can't get all the goodies that you think should be free such as DFK, BBBJ, BLS, and full 30 M. Not with the hot lookers.

Yes, you can.

And not consistently, and definitely not for a new face in the club from every single hot girl in the club.

I don't think anybody said that. Scammers do exist. At crowded times things are more difficult. And of course; if you pick Palace and Mainhattan as your starting point, you will struggle even more.

I am not jumping on anybody here, but trying to be helpful. The consensus among some of the most frequent posters here are just way too pessimistic and disillusioned on behalf of firsttimers to the clubs. In stead of asking firsttimers to give up I would rather underscore that there is a learning process. Firsttimers will make mistakes, but they can learn from mistakes. And it all starts by knowing the normal pricing and respect them (and I mean the normal pricing quoted by Gino and not the prices quoted by the scammers that even some ISGers around here do sympathize with).

Being decent and respectful goes a long way. In fact, most girls (including the hottest) still appreciate a decent and respectful gent. There is no need to overpay. Nobody can get good performance for 50 E from all the girls, but most gents can visit a club and get a couple of 50 E sessions with solid performance from some of the hottest girls. Again, I have had this opportunity in all of my club visits in 2018, and so do most of my monger friends.

[Takedown]

I agree with HS101. I don't know him personally but from reading his reports, he is well traveled and has a lot of mongering miles on his body. It is absurd to jump on him for reporting what he experiences accurately. The reality is that 30 m50 e has ceased be the textbook definition for a while. You can't get all the goodies that you think should be free such as DFK, BBBJ, BLS, and full 30 M. Not with the hot lookers. And not consistently, and definitely not for a new face in the club from every single hot girl in the club. Perhaps you might get lucky with one girl, perhaps two girls. But if you line up the 10 or 15 best lookers in Sharks or Oase, send a new face to each of them, indoctrinate the new guy with a clear definition of the text book price and he holds steadfast, see how many of the girls give him all the goodies. I would bet a small percentage, if lucky.

If I understand HS101, that's pretty much all he said. Just a simple recitation of ground reality as it exists today.

HS seems to be steering the argument towards parameters that fit his point of view, top lookers at Sharks, Oase, Palace. Of course 50 euro often does not get you far, duh! From what I recall, you yourself have also only visited Sharks and Oase; of course your opinion would be the same. Does that 50 euro argument apply to clubs like Dietz, Finca, Aca? Or even LR and Babylon? Would you guys even know?

It may be "absurd to jump on him for only posting what he experiences." But that's not all he did was it? Didn't he straight up call out Gina, insulting him to be a fraud?

[Member #4636]

I just found that handicraft work takes place until November and they reduce the entry to 50.

Can somebody report the situation at Palace this days (place, girls, atmosphere, etc etc). Don't care about the entry.

Please as soon as possible because I plane to head there tonight.

Dude,

I did got your message but it was around 2 am.

I was there from 10 but until 2 I was with my queen.

I was holding it at the bar for 20 minutes no one came and I thought you must have left.

[Mr Ho]

One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. Then public sex naturally follows. Once you let it all hang out, you will not feel shy doing what comes naturally.

If you feel shy, can stick to RLD.

And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to porn

I think bath robe on or off options are the best as it is.

Out of 8 or 9 years FKK, I have not seen any male guest walking bare nude around club beside shower room or related nude places, which I appreciate as I am there to fuck girls and watch girls nude, not male client elected penis walking around LOL.

As for public actions, it is good to watch now and then, it mostly take place in cinema and out side area sometimes. It is good fun, but I got too much manner and courtesy and not to stare, but mildly watch LOL.

However, I do not want to see male clients walking around bare nude with erected penis around club, but it is odd to see quite few guys walking around with bath robe with boxer short or even t-shirt and boxer short in club under neath their bath robes, also sometimes with cap and sunglasses LOL. I presume it is local or in town with colleague for business or messe, so high risk of encounters in club? But cap and sunglasses attract more attention on those guys LOL.

[OmarRap]

From this reader's point of view after reading posts from both Gina and HS, it seems to me that Gina has a fine grasp on the FKK scene. His experiences and opinions are often consistent with my own. On the flip side, I often find that HS's opinions are more often not what I find to be my FKK experience. From a psychological point of view, it is sometimes difficult to swallow that someone else may be getting a better deal than you. If it were me, instead of doubting, I would figure out why the other monger is getting a better deal and I would try to emulate his methods.

I agree with what HungryStud is writing and is a realistic portrayal of the state of play in the Hessen FKK scene.

The top shelf girls that are sought after are asking for a lot more than 50 euros to go to the room to get the service that some have expected in the distant past. There will be some girls willing to take the 50 euros to perform to the level that has been described by Gina as Takedown says but these will not the girls thy have a queue of horny guys after their hot assets.

The thing is to go for one hour sessions or some other extra in a half hour session to secure that service level which costs more than 50 euros as HungryStud says. This is still on the same pricing scale as before but adds another dimension where in total sum the girl gets a bit more than before. The reality is I will not begrudge a girl doing such a sex service job that makes me so happy the money to incentivise her to perform well.

[Member #4581]

I agree with HS101. I don't know him personally but from reading his reports, he is well traveled and has a lot of mongering miles on his body. It is absurd to jump on him for reporting what he experiences accurately. The reality is that 30 m50 e has ceased be the textbook definition for a while. You can't get all the goodies that you think should be free such as DFK, BBBJ, BLS, and full 30 M. Not with the hot lookers. And not consistently, and definitely not for a new face in the club from every single hot girl in the club. Perhaps you might get lucky with one girl, perhaps two girls. But if you line up the 10 or 15 best lookers in Sharks or Oase, send a new face to each of them, indoctrinate the new guy with a clear definition of the text book price and he holds steadfast, see how many of the girls give him all the goodies. I would bet a small percentage, if lucky.

If I understand HS101, that's pretty much all he said. Just a simple recitation of ground reality as it exists today.

[Member #4581]

Speaking of fat old big bodies..

Somebody got hots for old and fat male bodies. Anyway continue this desire in the lounge.

Or perhaps someone is threatened by other men being nude?

When you watch porn, do you watch only lesbian porn? Do the males in the porn bother you?

Or is it that only fat old males bother you but young attractive males don't? If so, thats interesting. Hmm.

Anyway, my suggestion was a tongue in cheek knowing full well it will never pass and it was a bit of poking fun at the guy asking about wearing shorts in FKK. But it is amusing to see all the homophobic tendencies jump out of members immediately.

[Takedown]

Am I wrong that you cannot get DFK, GFE, FIV and wedding night sex with a top looker for 50 E etc at Oase and Sharks like the other guy says? Look at your OWN reports #16949,16952, 12351. I like how you say "I think the question is can you can still get a 50Euro with kiss BBJ, suck & fuck with a looker regardless of brand name. The statement is hyperbole but I have no doubt that said service can be had with those large 40 year olds that who work on Dessous day using clothes to cover up those bellies..

You also complain in #16952 about "On a trip where even my regulars are refusing my 100 note and that is my biggest complaint. ".

So I think we are on the same page. Read your own reports.

For context, reports were in reference to Sharks.

[HungryStud101]

From this reader's point of view after reading posts from both Gina and HS, it seems to me that Gina has a fine grasp on the FKK scene. His experiences and opinions are often consistent with my own. On the flip side, I often find that HS's opinions are more often not what I find to be my FKK experience. From a psychological point of view, it is sometimes difficult to swallow that someone else may be getting a better deal than you. If it were me, instead of doubting, I would figure out why the other monger is getting a better deal and I would try to emulate his methods.

This is the last I will say about this and I'm done. I write reviews. My reviews are documented in several threads throughout ISG. The other guy just rails about people paying over 50 E for a session and that's not a report. Do I pay too much? Not according to your post in the Sharks thread #17505. In fact you said "Nice job not overpaying and only giving into services you want. Heck 100Euro for anal in Hessen is a big achievement in Hessen...I look forward to another entertaining report." But admittedly, I've been had on four continents.

Am I wrong that you cannot get DFK, GFE, FIV and wedding night sex with a top looker for 50 E etc at Oase and Sharks like the other guy says? Look at your OWN reports #16949,16952, 12351. I like how you say "I think the question is can you can still get a 50Euro with kiss BBJ, suck & fuck with a looker regardless of brand name. The statement is hyperbole but I have no doubt that said service can be had with those large 40 year olds that who work on Dessous day using clothes to cover up those bellies..

You also complain in #16952 about "On a trip where even my regulars are refusing my 100 note and that is my biggest complaint. ".

So I think we are on the same page. Read your own reports.

The funny thing is I was impugned for honestly reporting what the girls were charging. I talked to so many girls that wanted 100 E /30 min GFE. I thought for that price I could work in a finish that I like to the BJ I like and that worked with some of the lookers but many wanted 150 E for this. I didn't go to the room with them for that in my last 2018 trips to Hesse. I just reported it. I doubt anybody can be successful for 50E/30 minutes with those same girls.

[PussyLiccker]

Oh my God no! Hell no!

Somebody got hots for old and fat male bodies. Anyway continue this desire in the lounge.

[TheWhatsuppGuy]

I just found that handicraft work takes place until November and they reduce the entry to 50€.

Can somebody report the situation at Palace this days (place, girls, atmosphere, etc etc). Don't care about the entry.

Please as soon as possible because I plane to head there tonight.

[The Cane]

One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to porn

Oh my God no! Hell no!

[Takedown]

Gino02 - I think you are a fraud. I looked at several of your posts and it is one thing: railing about prices. You have never written a club report. You are either a monger with a dual handle or an out and out fraud. A person that sits behind a keyboard and lives vicariously through others. Why is it nobody has ever met you in an FKK? Why are there no detailed reports from you.

You ought to go to an FKK sometime. I think you would like it.

And besides, if you ever did take a girl home all night there is no way that you were able to cum 9-10 times but that's OK. It never happened. I am going to put you in ignore. You are a fraud. I call shenanigans!

From this reader's point of view after reading posts from both Gina and HS, it seems to me that Gina has a fine grasp on the FKK scene. His experiences and opinions are often consistent with my own. On the flip side, I often find that HS's opinions are more often not what I find to be my FKK experience. From a psychological point of view, it is sometimes difficult to swallow that someone else may be getting a better deal than you. If it were me, instead of doubting, I would figure out why the other monger is getting a better deal and I would try to emulate his methods.