FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[ExpatLover]

One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. Then public sex naturally follows. Once you let it all hang out, you will not feel shy doing what comes naturally.

If you feel shy, can stick to RLD.

And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to porn

They can also do some sport and diet so they will look better. It is also far better for sex than to take Viagra.

[Sirioja]

One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. Then public sex naturally follows. Once you let it all hang out, you will not feel shy doing what comes naturally.

If you feel shy, can stick to RLD.

And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to porn

I don't agree with you, I'm not excited seeing girls fucked in public. I look for woman types and behavior, not girls ready for anything for money. My subjective opinion.

[Member #4581]

One of these days, FKKs should mandate no clothes for the guys and gals alike. Then public sex naturally follows. Once you let it all hang out, you will not feel shy doing what comes naturally.

If you feel shy, can stick to RLD.

And those (while being fat and ugly themselves) that complain they don't want to see other naked ugly men -- stick to porn

[Sirioja]

Gino02 - I think you are a fraud. I looked at several of your posts and it is one thing: railing about prices. You have never written a club report. You are either a monger with a dual handle or an out and out fraud. A person that sits behind a keyboard and lives vicariously through others. Why is it nobody has ever met you in an FKK? Why are there no detailed reports from you.

You ought to go to an FKK sometime. I think you would like it.

And besides, if you ever did take a girl home all night there is no way that you were able to cum 9-10 times but that's OK. It never happened. I am going to put you in ignore. You are a fraud. I call shenanigans!

We are all different as say girls, girls behave in different way with us, from how we behave. Some look for dreams like me, for anything I do, some just want to have sex, some for less expensive money like many Germans. Some feel more comfortable with not so pretty girls, thinking pretty ones will give them bad behavior. I know the prettiest, the princess behavior like to feel woman. Good manners, respect, skill for orgasmus open them, then they come to repeat, even the busiest, not making You wait with your ticket to wait whole day.

Each one own dreams if we are able to have, own pleasure and experiences. For those who don t want to spend money, and I don t say to accept upselling, when I never repeat with upselling girls, but better to stay in bed with money under pillow, waiting to die.

Advises from the most bullshit about and jealous, bad guy in FKK land, who wish to his last FKK GF a better health, he worked hard for 11 months to find her, but he just wish her to take care of her, to be able to have a future woman life. That s the most important for me and of course for her who was superb on our last time. Some guys were looking at us after our room, but after saying: look at this girl, they didn't dare to go to her. Even not so attractive behavior in lounge, but no public exhibition, but going to her was a really good choice: a beauty who likes to feel woman, all what I like. We never spoke about money.

[Clodius1]

I've been closing following the rate thread. Good points on differing sides, but I want to add something for thought. As a foreigner who only travels to DE land of nirvana once or twice a year, I can afford to run the table whenever I damn well please. However, that is not okay. It's rude. My POV is that I'm a guest in DE and that I need to fit in with DE culture, follow DE rules, and defer to the local guys when playing in their backyard. I'd rather miss a couple of opportunities with girls in the clubs, but walk away with my reputation as a good guest intact. Always lurking, always learning, always grateful for the chance to share the FKK experience with the local guys that make this possible. My two cents.

[Lanthano]

Confirmed: I called them up. 50 e entry every day till the end of the month. I might give it a try.

[ExpatLover]

He said 6-7 times. The girl 9-10, and that beats Yammayamma's record. You can make a pricing discussion some place, or take it to the lounge or take it PM). It goes nowhere when there are disagreements.

Leave the thread for reports. I don't find these discussion do anything, but trashes the threads.

If now we are believing in what prostitutes and mongers are saying or writing starting with me it is really the beginning of the end.

[TheWhatsuppGuy]

I just found that handicraft work takes place until November and they reduce the entry to 50€.

Can somebody report the situation at Palace this days (place, girls, atmosphere, etc etc). Don't care about the entry.

Please as soon as possible because I plane to head there tomorrow night.

[Sirioja]

Thank, it will be sure Palace the Friday night but no discount entry because I'll be in Frankfurt around 19:00 and I'll head to the club around 21:00.

Was written entry should be discount to 50 because of works, but I don't know if true. Enjoy.

[Gino02]

He said 6-7 times. The girl 9-10, and that beats Yammayamma's record. You can make a pricing discussion some place, or take it to the lounge or take it PM). It goes nowhere when there are disagreements.

Leave the thread for reports. I don't find these discussion do anything, but trashes the threads.

LOL. That same nympho girl once had 14 times in one 24 hours period with me, and funny thing is that none of us even tried for it. That's her best record as much as I know (she left the business now), and definitely credit goes to her, not to me at all. I was just lucky to enjoy all that.

On the serious side, I agree with you PL. I will stop here on this futile rate discussion with folks who starts screwing up the mongering field for everyone else by paying too much but prefers to stay in denials, and starts calling others names when loses the arguments; instead of doing the research thoroughly and learning from the experienced. Thanks PL for you being the wise man among us.

[PussyLiccker]

He said 6-7 times. The girl 9-10, and that beats Yammayamma's record. You can make a pricing discussion some place, or take it to the lounge or take it PM). It goes nowhere when there are disagreements.

Leave the thread for reports. I don't find these discussion do anything, but trashes the threads.

[HungryStud101]

Gino02 - I think you are a fraud. I looked at several of your posts and it is one thing: railing about prices. You have never written a club report. You are either a monger with a dual handle or an out and out fraud. A person that sits behind a keyboard and lives vicariously through others. Why is it nobody has ever met you in an FKK? Why are there no detailed reports from you.

You ought to go to an FKK sometime. I think you would like it.

And besides, if you ever did take a girl home all night there is no way that you were able to cum 9-10 times but that's OK. It never happened. I am going to put you in ignore. You are a fraud. I call shenanigans!

HS, I think you again missed parts of the standard German rate concept, that every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. In each of those additional 30 minutes increments, you can get exactly what you get / did in the first 30 minutes, or you can even just sleep or watch movies but you still have to pay 50 e per 30 minutes. When I paid 700 e for 10-12 hours, if I remember correctly, in that 10-12 hours we fucked about 9-10 times, I came 6-7 times and she about 9-10 times, and about 4-5 hours we spent in a disco nightclub in Frankfurt. So essentially I got a 300-500 e discount. But that's besides the point. The point is that I didn't get scammed by the girl, and she made the money she needed plus she also had fun.

Like you, I also got scammed few times early in my FKK career. But unlike you (and few others), I was not in denial. I quickly realized that I was being scammed, and then I tried to learn from the more experienced mongers, took their advice to improve my approach to these FKK girls in Germany, avoid the always sharky girls and too sharky clubs like Palace etc. But it still took few months before I could get the standard rates as "my rate" was "written on my forehead" which took time to fade away. Now usually I don't even discuss any rate with a girl if I feel the right vibe (that she's not a scammer, fun personality besides the hot optifuck look, likely enjoys sex at least some amount etc etc), and I do not go to room if the girl starts giving me rates of services first as I know it will be an upsell hell in the room. If she hints (or asks) how long I want a session, I say "as long as you can keep me happy". Smart girls get the point that I know and adhere to the standard rates. Most cases I end up doing sessions one hour or longer when I am having fun. Only exceptions are when my read on the girl's vibe is wrong but we already started the session, in which cases I cut my losses at 50 e. Few cases I abandoned the WG when she started giving rates on the way to the room or while waiting for room or as soon as we got in the room; in those cases my loss was only the few minutes not any euros. If you act right and hit the right frequency in her mind, you will be amazed to learn how many of these FKK girls actually have a inner side of being exhibitionist (otherwise they could work in a House or via internet and make more per hour money, instead of all day being naked in public), loves looking at the mirror while they give you blowjob or getting fucked by you, how many of them actually prefers to enjoy the session (s) as much as you want to. Many of them are even full fledged nymphos. If you stop thinking that you can simply buy their body for sex at whatever price they are asking, you (both) can actually have good fun even at the standard rates. Win-win for everyone, without making the experience as a game of haggles like in most other unfortunate parts of the world. But then again, maybe some of you enjoy the game of haggled and feel like winning by paying more than others. Like they say, to each is his own.

Good that you are now getting 50e / 30 min standard sessions from many girls, and I hope it will improve to almost all the girls soon. And like you said, you can always extend the time as you feel needed, even sticking with the standard rates. Scammer girls will not get much business if most of us mongers think with our big head LOL.

[Gino02]

Your right. I will pay what I want to pay. Please carefully read my reports and you will see exactly what I paid. I also know that you paid a girl 700 E to go home with you. I could say maybe you are fucking up the pricing system? Why would you take a girl home when you could have wedding night sex with 14 top tier girls. This is 14 sessions. Or maybe you can have seven 1-hour sessions? Most of us haven't had sex with our wives 14 times in a calendar year or 7 times. How many times can you have sex with a girl in a night? Maybe this is fucking up the price system. It is guys like you that tie up the best girls in the club all night. It is guys like you that account for the 2-hour delay at GTs for rooms because you don't do your business and move on and let some of the other guys play. I could say this too.

But this is not the point. You do you and I will do me. The old rules of of 5 or 6 years ago where you can have GFE sex with any girl in the club for 50 E /30 minutes have changed. It is still there and I have had a few of them in my most recent visit to Sharks last month and I have had a few 50 E /30 minute dates in Sharks back in March so it does exist but it is much less abundant than it was back in the day and some girls refuse to do it and I don't care if you are so German that you are Hohenzollern.

I got a note today from an old friend from the USA of whom I have known from forums like this for many years. I will say that his reports and PMs have got me laid in Europe and North America. My friend is not an FKK fan as I am so he asked the following question:

Are a lot of guys on this board dirt poor local German guys for whom 50 euros is make or break, and they eat a weeks worth of food at the FKK buffet while having sex in between meals? Or do they take some strange enjoyment from getting the same service for 50 euros that another guy might get for 100 euros, no matter how much time and effort it takes to get the discount. We are very lucky I guess to be from the US and to earn a decent living. I cant imagine living my life like some of these posters do. I cant stand watching every dollar, sometimes I spend it freely.

I don't think that the above is true but if you read some of these reports it is easy to get that impression.

There are lots of nice girls all over FKK land but you can't fuck them all. I need a little something special form a girl in order to session with her. I believe that Sirioja would say that the girl has to have a certain Je ne seis quoi in order for her to stand out to from the others. We spoil easily. Honestly, I would be happy with 75% of them if they were delivered to my door in the USA or even Montreal (which I consider my home court) but in the FKK they all start to blend together and I want the sexiest the hottest or something exotic or maybe a porn star quality girl. Sometimes they hold out for a little more and so as you can see from reading my reports, I will incentivize them by paying for an extra service such as a Bj that I like with a finish that I like or maybe a longer time in the room or a 3-sum with another girl I want. See from my posts that this is true. I don't think I even broke any of the rules that you have posted. I even cut a date short after 30 minutes and paid 50 E plus a small tip like I felt like giving. Call them cartels but there are several girls that will not do a 50 E /30 minute date with all the things you suggested. I have found a few that wouldn't do it for the first date but would do a 50 E /30 minutes GFE for the second date. This is true. But what about these guys that read the forum and may only get to Hesse once or twice in a lifetime or maybe they are fortunate to take an annual trip? Should they walk away from a dream session with a fantasy girl to save a miserable 50 euros? I say not.

So in conclusion, when in Hesse, don't feel like you are obligated to only spend 50 Euros for a 30 minute date.

HS, I think you again missed parts of the standard German rate concept, that every additional 30 minutes is 50 e. In each of those additional 30 minutes increments, you can get exactly what you get / did in the first 30 minutes, or you can even just sleep or watch movies but you still have to pay 50 e per 30 minutes. When I paid 700 e for 10-12 hours, if I remember correctly, in that 10-12 hours we fucked about 9-10 times, I came 6-7 times and she about 9-10 times, and in between about 4-5 hours we spent in a disco nightclub in Frankfurt. So essentially I got a 300-500 e discount. But that's besides the point. The point is that I didn't get scammed by the girl, and she made the money she needed plus she also had fun.

Like you, I also got scammed few times early in my FKK career. But unlike you (and few others), I was not in denial. I quickly realized that I was being scammed, and then I tried to learn from the more experienced mongers, took their advice to improve my approach to these FKK girls in Germany, avoid the always sharky girls and too sharky clubs like Palace etc. But it still took few months before I could get the standard rates as "my rate" was "written on my forehead" which took time to fade away. Now usually I don't even discuss any rate with a girl if I feel the right vibe (that she's not a scammer, fun personality besides the hot optifuck look, likely enjoys sex at least some amount etc etc), and I do not go to room if the girl starts giving me rates of services first as I know it will be an upsell hell in the room. If she hints (or asks) how long I want a session, I say "as long as you can keep me happy". Smart girls get the point that I know and adhere to the standard rates. Most cases I end up doing sessions one hour or longer when I am having fun. Only exceptions are when my read on the girl's vibe is wrong but we already started the session, in which cases I cut my losses at 50 e. Few cases I abandoned the WG when she started giving rates on the way to the room or while waiting for room or as soon as we got in the room; in those cases my loss was only the few minutes not any euros. If you act right and hit the right frequency in her mind, you will be amazed to learn how many of these FKK girls actually have a inner side of being exhibitionist (otherwise they could work in a House or via internet and make more per hour money, instead of all day being naked in public), loves looking at the mirror while they give you blowjob or getting fucked by you, how many of them actually prefers to enjoy the session (s) as much as you want to. Many of them are even full fledged nymphos. If you stop thinking that you can simply buy their body for sex at whatever price they are asking, you (both) can actually have good fun even at the standard rates. Win-win for everyone, without making the experience as a game of haggles like in most other unfortunate parts of the world. But then again, maybe some of you enjoy the game of haggles and feel like winning by paying more than others. Like they say, to each is his own.

Good that you are now getting 50e / 30 min standard sessions from many girls, and I hope it will improve to almost all the girls soon. And like you said, you can always extend the time as you feel needed, even sticking with the standard rates. Scammer girls will not get much business if most of us mongers think with our big head LOL.

[TheWhatsuppGuy]

Palace is the highest level club and most interesting casting in Hessen. Maybe discount entry?

Thank, it will be sure Palace the Friday night but no discount entry because I'll be in Frankfurt around 19:00 and I'll head to the club around 21:00.

[Sirioja]

Thank you Sirioja for answering, the thing is I have only the weekend in Frankfurt and I don't want to spend time in trains spicially when its late and the head it turning around from beautyness or drinks) , but sure when I'll visit Frankfurt again I'll try Oasis or Sharks for sure.

Palace is the highest level club and most interesting casting in Hessen. Maybe discount entry?