FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Sirioja]

Thank you Sirioja for answering, the thing is I have only the weekend in Frankfurt and I don't want to spend time in trains spicially when its late and the head it turning around from beautyness or drinks) , but sure when I'll visit Frankfurt again I'll try Oasis or Sharks for sure.

Palace is the highest level club and most interesting casting in Hessen. Maybe discount entry?

[McAdonis]

My friend is not an FKK fan as I am so he asked the following question:

Are a lot of guys on this board dirt poor local German guys for whom 50 euros is make or break, and they eat a weeks worth of food at the FKK buffet while having sex in between meals? Or do they take some strange enjoyment from getting the same service for 50 euros that another guy might get for 100 euros, no matter how much time and effort it takes to get the discount. We are very lucky I guess to be from the US and to earn a decent living. I cant imagine living my life like some of these posters do. I cant stand watching every dollar, sometimes I spend it freely.

Not all the American mongers are rich. Some just prioritize and allocate a bigger portion of their budget towards paid sex. This is probably easier to do if one is a bachelor who does not have to "hide" where he spends his money and free time. In other words, everyone's life circumstances and priorities are different. I used to know a single 25-year old Romanian civilian girl living in Italy who made no more than 25K. She used her own money to buy a used rolex for 7K. Then you have some single mom in the USA who makes 150K per year who wears a $100 watch because she has to pay for daycare and private school tuition for her three kids.

Tourists have a "vacation mentality" when it comes to spending. Locals, at least the ones who attend 100 times per year, have to pace their spending, which gives the lasting impression that they are cheap. One local monger I know attends once on the weekend. And once during the week. Each week, he will do maybe three 50 EUR rooms and one 100 EUR room. This local monger spends about 13K per year on sessions. Then you have the American tourist who does a 7-day trips, twice per year who is spending 500 EUR per day. This American tourist spends 7K per year on sessions.

Deriving joy from spending 50 does not seem at all strange to me. Many mongers derive joy from believing that the WG is enjoying herself. This could be her having an orgasm. This could be her passionately DFKing non-stop. This could be her providing "free" couch time. When a WG is being less money-hungry, I would say it is a variation of the same thing; it is an expression of her enjoying herself. Also many mongers want to believe that they are not just like every other customer. They want to feel that they are special in some way. So if a monger can convince himself that he is getting her top service for 50 and others pay 200 for it, he is going to feel special.

[TheWhatsuppGuy]

I will be the same days in FRA but haven't decided yet to visit Palace or not. But since I have been plenty times I might help on your questions.

1. In the summer and due to the lack of an out door area I prefer to be with the towel. Bathrobe is fine any other time of the year. You have to be with it all the time even in the room when fucking. LOL just kidding. Take it of when you shower and when you use the sauna and jacuzzi.

2. What do you need the underwear for? How is the lady supposed to touch your pennies in the kino? Yes you can wear if you want to bit it is not preferred.

3. Yes you have to be naked, no one will look at your penis they don't care.

4. No you can't you will look like a stranger and you will not like others looking at you and laughing.

Thank you PKsimar for answering which I know is a common questions.

Of course it will be great to have someone to hang up with specially an expert like you (I hope you will not make the upselling role by tipping me some girls to get + by them) hahaha joking!

As I will come with train from Mosbach and if its gone good without stop, I'll be in Frankfurt around 19:00.

The thing is I don't know where to spend my first night: Palace or Mainhattan.

I read that Palace is crowded with LU at night so I think it will be there the first time. But it will be the second one the other night. And my plan is to move from hotel at 21:00.

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[TheWhatsuppGuy]

Palace is one of the highest level club, with beautiful rooms which increase pleasure for sex, good foods, polite staff. The most interesting casting at the moment for woman looks for me, but WGs don t respect color we chose on entry, and don t respect club rate which is 50/30 mn with DFK, DATY, BJ and sex, confirmed by desk. Some German girls don t kiss, because they don t sell love, but only suck and fuck, so have to find attractive looks with good services without upselling, that s Palace, but more interesting than not elegant with no charm GND, like many at Oase or Sharks.

Thank you Sirioja for answering, the thing is I have only the weekend in Frankfurt and I don't want to spend time in trains spicially when its late and the head it turning around from beautyness or drinks) , but sure when I'll visit Frankfurt again I'll try Oasis or Sharks for sure.

[Member #4636]

Thank you very much for taking time to answer all my questions and it was so helpful information for any first timer and in the same situation like me (where I come from).

I know all here think RTFF and it not my first time in forum world and I know how it works specially when its come to repeated questions, but believe me if I found these information I wouldn't ask.

Thank you again and I hope we will meet some day in Palace.

And guys you still welcome to answer this part:

** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness).

5 - Football fans, did they show different league in the clubs?

Thank you all.

See my previous post regarding your other questions.

About the time I can tell you about Palace and Mainhattan only. Palace really sucks before 6-7 pm, not many ladies and you are lucky of you find 1-2 hot looking. At night it is much better and if you are lucky enough you might find 5-6 stunners. The problem with the LU is that there are a few really amazing ladies but there are also many under average. So not many around average. Either very good or bad. Food is excellent and the facilities are great as also the rooms. I have visited Mainhattan at 3 pm and I really liked the LU and the atmosphere at this time of day. I haven't visited night but I believe I will also like it. Conclusion: Before 7 pm Mainhattan, after 7 PM both.

5. As I said I would ever watch football in an FKK only if it was Liverpool. And no I am not from there.

[Sirioja]

Palace is one of the highest level club, with beautiful rooms which increase pleasure for sex, good foods, polite staff. The most interesting casting at the moment for woman looks for me, but WGs don t respect color we chose on entry, and don t respect club rate which is 50/30 mn with DFK, DATY, BJ and sex, confirmed by desk. Some German girls don t kiss, because they don t sell love, but only suck and fuck, so have to find attractive looks with good services without upselling, that s Palace, but more interesting than not elegant with no charm GND, like many at Oase or Sharks.

I meant more interesting casting in Hessen, but north is more interesting for me at the moment.

[Member #4636]

Hi guys,

I will be in Frankfurt in this weekend 19-20/10 and I want to have a nice time.

It will be my first time in this kind of clubs FKK and I have few questions which I don't find answers for in the clubs websites or reviews in the net.

I will arrive in Friday afternoon and will stay until Sunday, and I'm interested to visit Palace and Mainhattan.

As a middle eastern guy there is a few things I wonder about.

** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness) .

I know that the clubs have wellness sections and they offer towels, bathrobe and slippers which including in the entrance fee to use while staying, my questions:.

I will be the same days in FRA but haven't decided yet to visit Palace or not. But since I have been plenty times I might help on your questions.

1. In the summer and due to the lack of an out door area I prefer to be with the towel. Bathrobe is fine any other time of the year. You have to be with it all the time even in the room when fucking. LOL just kidding. Take it of when you shower and when you use the sauna and jacuzzi.

2. What do you need the underwear for? How is the lady supposed to touch your pennies in the kino? Yes you can wear if you want to bit it is not preferred.

3. Yes you have to be naked, no one will look at your penis they don't care.

4. No you can't you will look like a stranger and you will not like others looking at you and laughing.

5. I watched the champions league semi final with Liverpool and I had a great time. Not a bad idea to watch some football between sessions, the girls will not bother you.

6. You can pick from 2 colours but most of the mongers pick the one where girls can approach you. Make sure you don't lose it with the key!

As I said I might be there Friday night if you want to catch up and since we both cannot send pm or send emails I have an idea.

Leave at the desk a handwritten message something like WhatsupPalace. When I go I will ask if there is a message and I will take it. Sometime go back and they will tell you who got your message, you come and talk to me.

[Sirioja]

Palace is one of the highest level club, with beautiful rooms which increase pleasure for sex, good foods, polite staff. The most interesting casting at the moment for woman looks for me, but WGs don t respect color we chose on entry, and don t respect club rate which is 50/30 mn with DFK, DATY, BJ and sex, confirmed by desk. Some German girls don t kiss, because they don t sell love, but only suck and fuck, so have to find attractive looks with good services without upselling, that s Palace, but more interesting than not elegant with no charm GND, like many at Oase or Sharks.

[TheWhatsuppGuy]

Dear Whatsappguy,

While most of the seasoned seniors on this board are rolling their eyes right now thinking RTFF, I will take pity on you and try to answer your questions. I am by no means an expert on Frankfurt FKK's but do stop by several times a year while in transit and have been doing so for several years. Most of the time I go to Palace because it's easy to get to by public transit. I'm not too cheap for a taxi but I adore the ruthless efficiency of Germany's public transit system. By the way, I am a Westerner who currently lives and works in the Middle East so I think I know where you are coming from with your questions.

Thank you very much for taking time to answer all my questions and it was so helpful information for any first timer and in the same situation like me (where I come from).

I know all here think RTFF and it not my first time in forum world and I know how it works specially when its come to repeated questions, but believe me if I found these information I wouldn't ask.

Thank you again and I hope we will meet some day in Palace.

And guys you still welcome to answer this part:

** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness).

5 - Football fans, did they show different league in the clubs?

Thank you all.

[Jake993]

Hi guys,

I will be in Frankfurt in this weekend 19-20/10 and I want to have a nice time.

It will be my first time in this kind of clubs FKK and I have few questions which I don't find answers for in the clubs websites or reviews in the net.

I will arrive in Friday afternoon and will stay until Sunday, and I'm interested to visit Palace and Mainhattan.

As a middle eastern guy there is a few things I wonder about.

** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness) .

I know that the clubs have wellness sections and they offer towels, bathrobe and slippers which including in the entrance fee to use while staying, my questions:

1 - should I stay in the bathrobe all the time?

2 - if Yes, can I have a short or underwear under the bathrobe or not?

3 - if I want to use the general Jacuzzi or sauna must I be full naked.

4 - Can I wear just a short and naked up while staying?

5 - Football fans, did they show different league in the clubs?

6 - I read in some review the the club give a wristband in different color depends on if you want to approach or you wanna be approached, is that right? And what you guys choose? And which is better in passionate way?

This all in the mind right now, maybe will be more questions until the time of travel.

Dear Whatsappguy,

While most of the seasoned seniors on this board are rolling their eyes right now thinking RTFF, I will take pity on you and try to answer your questions. I am by no means an expert on Frankfurt FKK's but do stop by several times a year while in transit and have been doing so for several years. Most of the time I go to Palace because it's easy to get to by public transit. I'm not too cheap for a taxi but I adore the ruthless efficiency of Germany's public transit system. By the way, I am a Westerner who currently lives and works in the Middle East so I think I know where you are coming from with your questions.

1. Generally, yes. But lot of guys prefer to hang out in a towel. Personal preference. You are not welcome to go past the front reception and bar in street clothes.

2. If you prefer to do so, it's permissible but it's not customary. And you will be the only on doing it.

3. When using Sauna and Jacuzzi you should be naked. It's not only the custom in this part of the world, many establishments REQUIRE it. It's a matter of hygiene. I can appreciate that modesty might be a more common where you come from but I am afraid that you need to get over it. Trust me, it's better for all this way.

4. I'm not sure it is expressly forbidden, but you will make everyone else uncomfortable. It would be quite unusual. Wear a towel around your waist under your bathrobe if you feel the necessity. But waking around in shorts is not cool.

5. Football? They show football in the FKK? (Ha ha just a joke). No idea. I'm not a football fan. I prefer hockey or rugby.

6. In Palace, they use a wristband system. As I recall, a green wrist band indicate that you would like the ladies to approach you and offer their companionship. The other color (I forget which just now) indicates that you prefer to approach the ladies and that you don't want to be pestered. Again, personal preference.

Generally speaking, if you are going to come and enjoy FKK, it will be better for you if you can come to terms with the issue of modesty. People from Germany and many other European countries have no issue with nudity. This does not mean that you are invited to go prancing around the FKK fully naked, but since we are all endowed with pretty much the same physical features, the bathrobes becomes more of a matter of politeness.

Enjoy and feel free to PM if you have questions.

[HungryStud101]

HS, I enjoy your posts .

This is not our USA (or your girl's Romania) where different girls may have different rates. No, this is Germany, the land of structures in business and life. Rates are exactly same for all FKK WGs, irrespective of looks. Please don't bring (or encourage) the failed concept of different rates for different girls based on their looks from our countries where there is no FKK and the P46 scene is so bad that we end up traveling to Germany for pussies. Please don't s*it where we all are now eating, as we ruined our kitchen in home by s*itting there so much that we don't even have much food back there.

True, that some FKK WG will ask to wash your hands or use anti-bacterial liquids or wet baby-wipes on your hands before you do FIV on her. But isn't that a good practice? In fact, when you go into a room (or before starting public sex), if you ask the girl for a wet bay-wipe (most girls carry those) to clean your hands before you touch her, maybe the girl will have a bit more comfort feeling to let you FIV?

You read it right from my post these:

BBBJ with CIM finish in 30 minutes is 100 e (30 min with BBBJ is 50 e standard, plus CIM extra 50 e).

BBBJ with CIM finish in 1 hour is 150 e (1 hour with BBBJ is 100 e standard, plus CIM extra 50 e).

30 min standard session is 50 e, includes BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, BLS, and public sex. Each additional 30 minutes is 50 e, includes the same service. If you cannot negotiate 30 min / 50 e standard session, maybe go for 60 min / 100 e standard session; at least you are not paying higher than the standard rate.

Please note that only standard extras are CIM 50 e per session (some will swallow as well with this) and Anal 100 e per session. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is extra in the Standard Rates. You may chose to pay extra for anything (like you do HS), but that is non-standard, you are just giving her one-off extra money by your own volition.

It's your money, spend it the way you like. But please don't try to tell the rest of us who are doing this mongering in Germany for decades what the German FKK standard rates are or should be, just by following what some sharky girls made you believe. (I hope) you are smarter than someone falling in traps by these cartel of sharky WGs.

Your right. I will pay what I want to pay. Please carefully read my reports and you will see exactly what I paid. I also know that you paid a girl 700 E to go home with you. I could say maybe you are fucking up the pricing system? Why would you take a girl home when you could have wedding night sex with 14 top tier girls. This is 14 sessions. Or maybe you can have seven 1-hour sessions? Most of us haven't had sex with our wives 14 times in a calendar year or 7 times. How many times can you have sex with a girl in a night? Maybe this is fucking up the price system. It is guys like you that tie up the best girls in the club all night. It is guys like you that account for the 2-hour delay at GTs for rooms because you don't do your business and move on and let some of the other guys play. I could say this too.

But this is not the point. You do you and I will do me. The old rules of of 5 or 6 years ago where you can have GFE sex with any girl in the club for 50 E /30 minutes have changed. It is still there and I have had a few of them in my most recent visit to Sharks last month and I have had a few 50 E /30 minute dates in Sharks back in March so it does exist but it is much less abundant than it was back in the day and some girls refuse to do it and I don't care if you are so German that you are Hohenzollern.

I got a note today from an old friend from the USA of whom I have known from forums like this for many years. I will say that his reports and PMs have got me laid in Europe and North America. My friend is not an FKK fan as I am so he asked the following question:

Are a lot of guys on this board dirt poor local German guys for whom 50 euros is make or break, and they eat a weeks worth of food at the FKK buffet while having sex in between meals? Or do they take some strange enjoyment from getting the same service for 50 euros that another guy might get for 100 euros, no matter how much time and effort it takes to get the discount. We are very lucky I guess to be from the US and to earn a decent living. I cant imagine living my life like some of these posters do. I cant stand watching every dollar, sometimes I spend it freely.

I don't think that the above is true but if you read some of these reports it is easy to get that impression.

There are lots of nice girls all over FKK land but you can't fuck them all. I need a little something special form a girl in order to session with her. I believe that Sirioja would say that the girl has to have a certain Je ne seis quoi in order for her to stand out to from the others. We spoil easily. Honestly, I would be happy with 75% of them if they were delivered to my door in the USA or even Montreal (which I consider my home court) but in the FKK they all start to blend together and I want the sexiest the hottest or something exotic or maybe a porn star quality girl. Sometimes they hold out for a little more and so as you can see from reading my reports, I will incentivize them by paying for an extra service such as a Bj that I like with a finish that I like or maybe a longer time in the room or a 3-sum with another girl I want. See from my posts that this is true. I don't think I even broke any of the rules that you have posted. I even cut a date short after 30 minutes and paid 50 E plus a small tip like I felt like giving. Call them cartels but there are several girls that will not do a 50 E /30 minute date with all the things you suggested. I have found a few that wouldn't do it for the first date but would do a 50 E /30 minutes GFE for the second date. This is true. But what about these guys that read the forum and may only get to Hesse once or twice in a lifetime or maybe they are fortunate to take an annual trip? Should they walk away from a dream session with a fantasy girl to save a miserable 50 euros? I say not.

So in conclusion, when in Hesse, don't feel like you are obligated to only spend 50 Euros for a 30 minute date.

[TheWhatsuppGuy]

Hi guys,

I will be in Frankfurt in this weekend 19-20/10 and I want to have a nice time.

It will be my first time in this kind of clubs FKK and I have few questions which I don't find answers for in the clubs websites or reviews in the net.

I will arrive in Friday afternoon and will stay until Sunday, and I'm interested to visit Palace and Mainhattan.

As a middle eastern guy there is a few things I wonder about.

** Which club you prefer guys to start with depended of the time I'll arrive? (depended about how many girls will be there and the beauty degree of them and kindness) .

I know that the clubs have wellness sections and they offer towels, bathrobe and slippers which including in the entrance fee to use while staying, my questions:

1 - should I stay in the bathrobe all the time?

2 - if Yes, can I have a short or underwear under the bathrobe or not?

3 - if I want to use the general Jacuzzi or sauna must I be full naked.

4 - Can I wear just a short and naked up while staying?

5 - Football fans, did they show different league in the clubs?

6 - I read in some review the the club give a wristband in different color depends on if you want to approach or you wanna be approached, is that right? And what you guys choose? And which is better in passionate way?

This all in the mind right now, maybe will be more questions until the time of travel.

[Sirioja]

Your hottest girl of the trip saying "Germans like to have sex with ugly women", was definitely wrong, like you also eluded into. Have you seen how Germans used to literally book Janine DE at Sharks for hours (sometimes with only drinks at the first couch) that a tourist like you or me would have never a chance on her? This was 1-2 years back, and no monger will ever say that Janine DE is ugly. Even in RTC's now, have you seen Amira RO or Diana RO at Dietzenbach? Have you seen Alexandara RO at Arabella? Or Maria BU at Bernds now? Or from couple of years back, Ada RO and Andrea RO at F39? How about Misha RO in Oase? All these girls makes (and made) tons of money mostly from German mongers but still following the standard rates and in turn providing excellent service so that customers would always go back for more. And nobody with normal sense of beauty probably will even by mistake will call any of these girls ugly, in contrast chances are that some of them are better looking than your "hottest girl of the trip".

This is not our USA (or your girl's Romania) where different girls may have different rates. No, this is Germany, the land of structures in business and life. Rates are exactly same for all FKK WGs, irrespective of looks. Please don't bring (or encourage) the failed concept of different rates for different girls based on their looks .

No, she was not so wrong. Many Germans go to cheap rate sex, or AO sex. Guys who know a bit about FKK land, know guys don't go to Bernds, or Dietzenbach, or Arabella, to fuck beauties, like I look for, but to fuck AO, even girls are really not pretty. Maria. Bu Bernds is just a GND with beautiful natural tits, Dietzenbach or Freude or Arabella girls are really not pretty, Alexandra is prettier but at Arabella, but would not be in normal club, for a selective and demanding experienced client like me, of course all girls don't have same rate, some girls don't worth 30 or 50, when some high level beauties worth expensive. As say girls: we are all different, and I'm happy to be different. From what I hear from German girls when we are in bed, if we can thank Germany for high level FKK land, but Germans don't seem to be on my standard for level in bed, according to German girls.

[Gino02]

Go to some of the plain looking 6-7's in the back of the club with cobwebs growing on them and you may be able to get this. But probably not the FIV. You're not going to get that. I had a girl spray my hands (and hers) with an anit-bac and tell me I can put my fingers anywhere but that was 100 $/30 session.

Interactive 3-sum +50 Euro each girl I think.

Erotic Massage (Prostate Massage) +50 Euro.

COB by Russian or Boob massage +30 E (according to Claudia from Sharks).

Compare with NRW (from an earlier report of mine 2017 and 2018:

1/2 hour with a girl - 50 E.

1/2 hour with 2 girl - 100 E.

1/2 hour with 2 girls and they are interactive 150 E (75 E each).

1/2 hour with girl and CIM happens - 75 E (50+25 E).

Prostate massage +25 E.

The note at the top said "you can compare with any German monger. " I think I know what the problem may be. There is a common perception that German's will fuck anything. One of the Romanian girls I sessioned with said "Germans like to have sex with ugly women. " She was the hottest girl of the trip for me. So maybe that is how German's stick to this 50 E /30 min everything? However, I don't agree. I think this is an over-generalization. It seems that every time I am in Sharks I make friends with Germans. I am pen-pals with a few German's from Stuttgart and they had very similar tastes to mine. In fact, I think we all did the same girl over the course of a day and we all paid the same price if I am not mistaken. It was a guy from Stuttgart the visit prior that told me to offer Gina an hour session for 100 E. So this is all bull. But guys from Stuttgart are not locals to the Hesse clubs anyway.

You can probably get many nice girls to go to the room for 50 E /30 min sessions but my experience is that many girls will not. I think you are a fool to travel all the way to Germany to fuck ugly girls and old women and to settle for less desirable women just so you can write in this forum that all your sessions were 50 E /30 minute sessions. It is futile to try to stem the tide of inflation during your annual visits.

Oh and one more thing: There is no way that a girl is going to turn down my offer for 100 E /30 min for a session with a BJ I like and a finish to that BJ that I like and go with a German guy or a frequent tourist that writes in this forum for 50 E /30 M and give them 50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. That is nothing but bullshit.

HS, I enjoy your posts (more so now that I am stuck in the American sex prison for last 4-5 months). And thanks for writing great reports. That said, with all due respect, I must say you are reading my posts about rates a bit incorrectly. Besides the "standard rate", you probably also read that once you pay higher for any services, even by mistake, "your rate" is essentially written on your forehead, you (not everyone else) will have to pay that higher rate or even more for the next few months / years until these girls forget your rate or fresh new girls come in who don't know your rate, not even thru their WG friends. I am sorry my friend, you now probably are in this category. But you are not alone, many many tourists for sure and even few local Germans may fall in your category. Though this is a relatively small size category (few hundreds) compared to the overall FKK customers in all over Germany (few hundred thousands to even millions), this is a vocal, active and proud (to say I got this service still so much cheaper than in USA!) group in forums like ISG and unfortunately spreading these higher rates as a new normal. It doesn't have to be this way if you care about your own money. There is hope, there is a fix. When in Germany, if you try not to pay more the German standard rates for your next few trips even if the hottest girls you want decline, you will see the results before your know. Soon they will accept your standard German rate payments. Like I said, these WGs need your money a lot more than you need the sex with them, all you have to do is to show some self-restraint for next few times they ask you for higher rates.

Your hottest girl of the trip saying "Germans like to have sex with ugly women", was definitely wrong, like you also eluded into. Have you seen how Germans used to literally book Janine DE at Sharks for hours (sometimes with only drinks at the first couch) that a tourist like you or me would have never a chance on her? This was 1-2 years back, and no monger will ever say that Janine DE is ugly. Even in RTC's now, have you seen Amira RO or Diana RO at Dietzenbach? Have you seen Alexandara RO at Arabella? Or Maria BU at Bernds now? Or from couple of years back, Ada RO and Andrea RO at F39? How about Misha RO in Oase? All these girls makes (and made) tons of money mostly from German mongers but still following the standard rates and in turn providing excellent service so that customers would always go back for more. And nobody with normal sense of beauty probably will even by mistake will call any of these girls ugly, in contrast chances are that some of them are better looking than your "hottest girl of the trip".

This is not our USA (or your girl's Romania) where different girls may have different rates. No, this is Germany, the land of structures in business and life. Rates are exactly same for all FKK WGs, irrespective of looks. Please don't bring (or encourage) the failed concept of different rates for different girls based on their looks from our countries where there is no FKK and the P46 scene is so bad that we end up traveling to Germany for pussies. Please don't s*it where we all are now eating, as we ruined our kitchen in home by s*itting there so much that we don't even have much food back there.

True, that some FKK WG will ask to wash your hands or use anti-bacterial liquids or wet baby-wipes on your hands before you do FIV on her. But isn't that a good practice? In fact, when you go into a room (or before starting public sex), if you ask the girl for a wet bay-wipe (most girls carry those) to clean your hands before you touch her, maybe the girl will have a bit more comfort feeling to let you FIV?

You read it right from my post these:

BBBJ with CIM finish in 30 minutes is 100 e (30 min with BBBJ is 50 e standard, plus CIM extra 50 e).

BBBJ with CIM finish in 1 hour is 150 e (1 hour with BBBJ is 100 e standard, plus CIM extra 50 e).

30 min standard session is 50 e, includes BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, BLS, and public sex. Each additional 30 minutes is 50 e, includes the same service. If you cannot negotiate 30 min / 50 e standard session, maybe go for 60 min / 100 e standard session; at least you are not paying higher than the standard rate.

Please note that only standard extras are CIM 50 e per session (some will swallow as well with this) and Anal 100 e per session. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is extra in the Standard Rates. You may chose to pay extra for anything (like you do HS), but that is non-standard, you are just giving her one-off extra money by your own volition.

It's your money, spend it the way you like. But please don't try to tell the rest of us who are doing this mongering in Germany for decades what the German FKK standard rates are or should be, just by following what some sharky girls made you believe. (I hope) you are smarter than someone falling in traps by these cartel of sharky WGs.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Delta in Coach class and it wasn't even comfort plus. In fact I saved 800 $ by going back on a Sunday. My flight was just over $2,000 this time.
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Go on Delta today. I logged on yesterday at night and Comfort+ from Austin thru Atlanta to Frankfurt in the early spring was over $1600 but coach was $636. I hate flying coach being taller but with $100 off using some miles the ticket was $536 and I might get upgraded with Medallion status two months prior to flight if Comfort Plus is not sold out but if not I do not think one can beat $536 RT; my flight to Arizona for the annual spring training family trip is more! So is the Phoenix hotel than the Frankfurt ones! Go buy your Delta tickets now to the land of DFK / FIV for 50 Euros!! Germany's finest WGs await your filthy fingers!

Go to some of the plain looking 6-7's in the back of the club with cobwebs growing on them and you may be able to get this. But probably not the FIV. You're not going to get that. I had a girl spray my hands (and hers) with an anit-bac and tell me I can put my fingers anywhere but that was 100 $/30 session.

You can probably get many nice girls to go to the room for 50 E /30 min sessions but my experience is that many girls will not. I think you are a fool to travel all the way to Germany to fuck ugly girls and old women and to settle for less desirable women just so you can write in this forum that all your sessions were 50 E /30 minute sessions. It is futile to try to stem the tide of inflation during your annual visits.

Oh and one more thing: There is no way that a girl is going to turn down my offer for 100 E /30 min for a session with a BJ I like and a finish to that BJ that I like and go with a German guy or a frequent tourist that writes in this forum for 50 E /30 M and give them 50 e for 30 minutes including BBBJ, DFK, DATY, FIV, sex in public etc etc all. That is nothing but bullshit.

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You raise some excellent points. I think you are correct, even at Mainhatten I find ' cheaters' in the middle tiers (not the top tier girls) and at the bottom of the food chain deals can be had. In general as many have pointed out, these girls don't want fingers shoved in there, bacteria and hangnails etc can knock them out of work several days or longer. YMMV as always but the hot girls aren't going to be rejecting your high (er) offers to go get some less paying guys bacterial laced fingers jammed up there for less money. I don't like to call bullshit really on anyone, I think much has been discussed in posts and many more times in backchannels about this ' wedding night 50 e' talk going around and IMHO I have full faith in this group as a whole to do with all that is posted in this thread and others to read and decipher and apply their own experiences and that of their friends to what they have read and walk away with their own opinions on the variances presented. Some may come up with the exact same conclusions you do but even if they do perhaps in a way it is good a voice is out there hammering home especially to new guys what ' would be nice' or ' what was' in the Land of Oz simply to encourage new guys to study and research hard and fight for their Euros. I agree Artemis is more, I am sure the NRW has better deals but '50 e wedding nights throughout the Land of Hessen with the Precious Princesses?? '.

I highly doubt Aladdin is floating around the skies of Hessen on his magic carpet ride (soon to be Santa Clause and his flying sleigh full of gifts for Romanian children) landing on the roofs of the Big 5 (especially Palace and Mainhatten) and stuffing 50 Euros notes with their greasy hands and fingers up these Precious Princesses cervixes!

Readers can decide for themselves just note the previous statement does not include the middle or lower tiered girls who will probably give Santa Clause and Aladdin a special two for one wedding night for 50!! If you ask me a true top tiered Shark would tell Aladdin and Santa to go fuck themselves if they asked for a 50 wedding night. As they would me. As they would you. But hey, if some guys want the internet fantasy they can fuck the Oase Queens (one who is well documented to have charged a very well known and IMHO very wise and astute regular FKK attendee for a 150 e BBBJ hour) than let them. That guy who reviewed the Oase Queen for 150 e is a fine example of ' truth in reporting. ' And than there is the ' Fake News' channel, just tune it out if it bothers you, the proof is in the pudding you don't need to prove anything HS. You had a good trip, congrats!

You're right about what that Romanian girl told you, a few told me similar along the lines that a local price point driven and determined German / Turk will lower their standards to get their price but unless they are a well known long time regular to that girl if they are in the upper tier ' no way' especially to the FIV. The middle tiers will play ball and the lower tiers will give it up for 50 so there is truth to ' 50 e everything' can be found at Sharks or Oase type places but are the top tiered girls giving it all up for 50 ?

Not fond of the channel but let's say ' we report, you decide. ' There have been enough reviews posted and stories shared many perhaps in the private message system to mix in with some of these PSA pricing structures of wedding nights for 50 e (maybe Sharks management will toss in some champagne too so the guy can stick his finger in the bottle of booze to serve as a disinfectant for the always included FIV.) At the end of the day I will go where I want, see who I want at the club (s) I enjoy the most and sometimes price is not everything, so many guys can fixate on price when in my experience (which is all I can speak for) much more than simply the Euro amount goes in to the melting pot when I decide on a club, a girl and a session. My melting pot maybe be different than the next guys and so on, neither of us are right or wrong; we simply do what floats our own boat.

At the end of the day HS we can only focus on ' us' and what we can accomplishment and enjoy with these girls and pay what we are comfortable with, we may be crazy but we aren't idiots and certainly can read between the lines as can others. It's just an internet post. It's just guys sitting behind a keyboard. Sitting behind a keyboard any guy can get a wedding night and shove his entire foot up some girl's kunt at Sharks who usually does 1000 e appts all day with fly ins from around the world, those types always give 50 e wedding nights but only if your fingers are over 8 inches long, not manicured and have dangling hangnails. Most of these girls will often request you not use mouthwash or offer you gum either as they really get off with DFK with some guy with horrible breath and bacteria in his mouth as well. If one matches that description they are in luck!