FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Shark16]

I doubt that very much I. E 'that you get exactly the same'. Unless that just means 'sex' but if you mean 'sex with high 8's, 9's and 10's (the only ones I go with) including DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and analingus' I doubt it even more! But there's no point in arguing.

You read me correct. I always find someone hotter and will encourage the readers of this forum to do the same. And you are correct: There is no point in arguing. Let's just agree to disagree.

I rarely go for 30 min sessions and my standard is 60/100.

Not true. Why suddenly being so defensive? But again, no point in arguing. Those who want the facts can simply read your reports and make up their own mind.

Peace. Out.

[Sirioja]

You started your original reply with "I disagree: but I don't see any specific points of real disagreement, other than to say "I disagree".

You can say Steffi is an exception, Janine is an exception, Evita is an exception and so on. I can only give specific examples from my first hand experience. And I am not even talking about girls that I never sessioned with -- such girls might not remember me or my face at all. If I give a handful of examples of specific girls who were multi session girls for me, and they don't even remember my face, that disproves the theory that these girls have super mythical memory which was built on endless internal discussions between them.

I never said these girls have zero memory. Just that they don't have super memory. If you give examples of this girl remembered this or that, that is a normal thing to expect. In any business line, business owner knows and remembers a few things or even many things about some/many customers: perfectly normal and expected.

I did say "some" girls remember "some" details about "some" guys "some" times. What gets written up here, in tones of wonderment and glee, are the instances when those examples of memory are presented. Yes it stokes my ego as well but there is no Herculean feat of biochemistry here.

I will wager any amount of money that almost no girl remembers anything about 3000 guys. Not even a real recognition of the faces. Half the girls probably can't tell which Asian they had fucked a few months earlier, they may all look the same to them. Unless it was a repeat regular customer.

And then you said you knew 75% of the girls. That is precisely what I said. Due to ISG and other mongers, men actually know a lot more about girls than vice versa. Info about girls is written up, recorded, stored, and is searchable. Half the guys who stepped into the dens of Sharks knew about servies and physical description and tats of Mandy at one point, never ever having seen her before.

Not so about the guys. And just looking at any one club -- there are at most a couple of hundred girls at Sharks in a year. Many of them stay for a few years even. In a give year, there are thousands of different mongers passing through the doors of Sharks. You do the math.

Girls usually have very good memory, this is part of their job, they remember in which room, details about sex, details about you, your job, your plans, your dreams for life as asked me Kate when I will go, but she looked worried when I told her this is with helicopter and have to jump from helicopter to reach this ultimate spot = helli ski in Alaska. On this Saturday, I returned with a girl, I had only 1 room with her on March, when she saw me she smiled, she remembered about my way for sex, too much love in bed for her, but we repeated and she nearly made on bed. When I move all over FKK land, as say some girls: this guy goes everywhere, they remember me from other club. At Wellcum where I go only on August, to prepare and recover from the hell of Zoncolan, some girls remember me from previous Summer even I never had room with them. I met a Sharks pole dancer at Marina Slovenia, no room at Sharks but she remembered me at Marina. Before she didn't smile to me, now back at Sharks she smiles to me. What is funny is some girls who know details about me, tell me we were in room together, when I will never go with them. Girls look at us, what we do, with who we go, know details.

About us, even when we don t go with this girl.

For sure, I m afraid Janine was not even able to remember her own real name, but busy superstar with her busy Asian business, Evita knew I went only with Megan. When I chose her friend, very pretty, very sexy look, Nina, but my worst FKK room, she came from so low level Spanish business, I was downstairs after 15 mn, not waiting for her, the only girl I didn't walk downstairs with, she was running after me, asking if I would give her 50, even I put off condom because I didn't want to lose my time with a little girl behavior, when usually after 15 mn I m still kissing the girl, but she got her 50, but Evita and Mia I never had room with, went straight to lockers to ask her what happened. Mia came to me just after.

Girls look at us, talk about us, but don t become paranoiac. Some guys bullshit more than girls and need to gossip rather than fucking. This is FKK land. Even at high level Globe, I felt a German busy superstar didn't really want to go with me, about what she heard about me, very selective, so she thought she would not be good looking and in bed enough for me and was afraid I would go to complain on desk, she didn't know I never complained about any girl, even about so low level Nina. During our 2 hours first room, she told me: now I know, I will run to You. After her booking on desk, she came back full smiling, asking: I want a good fucking to finish my night. 1 hour later, she was exhausted with very dry vagina, at 2. 30 am, when she was so wet, asking me to fuck her again at 8 pm.

Didn't little Bulgarian princess remember about you?

[Member #4581]

JNPR, it doesn't surprise me that Janine was forgetful. Same with Sylvana. They both were lonewolfs.

Steffi talks to me once in a while, because I have monger friends that go with her. So Steffi knows me, even though I have never sessioned with her. Same with Evita. They'd often be cuddling up with a monger friend while I was standing there beside them as a third wheel. Monger friend would say "Hey, do you know McA?" Their smart-ass response was always "Yes, of course. He is always here". I have probably been introduced to Evita five times in this manner, although we've never actually spoken directly one-on-one. WGs know me through their network of WG friends and through their network of clients.

Ninety percent of the WGs I have a scouting report on are WGs I have never sessioned before. Many I have never even personally talked to. I only know about them through my monger friends network. I attend the clubs maybe 75 days a year. Many of my monger friends attend even more than I do. Or I have monger friends that dedicate 90 percent of their visits to one club, so when I visit their home club, I get subject matter expert level of knowledge from them. Often, they overload my brain with names and scouting reports. I retain about 25 percent. But these guys tend to be happy to repeat, if I ask them to share. When I said that a WG could probably remember 3000 faces and small details about each, I would say a substantial percentage of the faces they know, are not mongers they've sessioned with, but mongers that are at the club most often or spend the largest amounts.

In reality, I may have only logged 10 visits at Sharks this year. To the WGs, it probably seems like am there more, because I am always sitting on the couch (never doing long rooms). But there is continuity. Sometimes a fresh-off-the-bus WG will see me walking by and say "Hey baby where you go?" The veteran WG will will then abruptly say to FOTB WG, "Don't waste your time with that one. He only goes with WGs with big tits". They do the tits cupping motion with their hands, which is universal. I laugh. They laugh back. I keep walking around the track. There are also WGs that do the FKK club circuit. Egyptian Angelina knows me from Palace, Oase, and Sharks. Her friends at all three of those clubs never approach me.

You started your original reply with "I disagree: but I don't see any specific points of real disagreement, other than to say "I disagree".

You can say Steffi is an exception, Janine is an exception, Evita is an exception and so on. I can only give specific examples from my first hand experience. And I am not even talking about girls that I never sessioned with -- such girls might not remember me or my face at all. If I give a handful of examples of specific girls who were multi session girls for me, and they don't even remember my face, that disproves the theory that these girls have super mythical memory which was built on endless internal discussions between them.

I never said these girls have zero memory. Just that they don't have super memory. If you give examples of this girl remembered this or that, that is a normal thing to expect. In any business line, business owner knows and remembers a few things or even many things about some/many customers: perfectly normal and expected.

I did say "some" girls remember "some" details about "some" guys "some" times. What gets written up here, in tones of wonderment and glee, are the instances when those examples of memory are presented. Yes it stokes my ego as well but there is no Herculean feat of biochemistry here.

I will wager any amount of money that almost no girl remembers anything about 3000 guys. Not even a real recognition of the faces. Half the girls probably can't tell which Asian they had fucked a few months earlier, they may all look the same to them. Unless it was a repeat regular customer.

And then you said you knew 75% of the girls. That is precisely what I said. Due to ISG and other mongers, men actually know a lot more about girls than vice versa. Info about girls is written up, recorded, stored, and is searchable. Half the guys who stepped into the dens of Sharks knew about servies and physical description and tats of Mandy at one point, never ever having seen her before.

Not so about the guys. And just looking at any one club -- there are at most a couple of hundred girls at Sharks in a year. Many of them stay for a few years even. In a give year, there are thousands of different mongers passing through the doors of Sharks. You do the math.

[Mr Ho]

I feel the same, for a year I went back and forth over 50 Euros with a favorite and same thing with a new found favorite too over the same amount; now I am happy fucking both of them regularly at club rate for services rendered. Zero regrets now. Life is too short to haggle over a few Euros if it is the girl you really want to fuck and no more walking away from a girl because she won't let me shove my bacteria and fungus laced fist with dangling hangnails up her fucking kunt for 50 Euros during our wedding night.

As if prison isn't bad enough tonight I got dragged in to a torture chamber, just another arm of the Sexual Prison System we live in. Had dinner with another monger from this neck of the woods and got dragged in to Perfect 10, Austin's finest strip club after eating. The girls were actually all very doable, many lookers but no action. Just $20 dances. I happily would have paid $100 for a CBJ and a fuck tonight even $150 from any Shark! I would have paid any Gypsy even more to service me. We got dances instead. Biggest fucking scam ever. Combined 10 dances for $200 and $30 on club entry. For what? I got nothing from them. Our strippers are actually pretty but we can't fuck them but we can fuck our hookers but they are ' The Deplorables ' ; can't win either way. This country sucks.

At least I got to shake Ultra Happy's hand good night.

The countries that offer beautiful pussies for sales are the good quality of life countries because it enable you to save a lot of your stress, life, time, money. Like Mr cane said, mongers believe we can fly, touch the sky, and touch down in Germany to solve this issue LOL.

We got solution to that and we also combine it with memorable trip in sky.

[McAdonis]

You can debate this endlessly, as always happens. Here are some examples. Steffi did not remember me after 2 or 3 sessions. Others like that: Janine, Aurelia, Evita, Nikki, many others. Those are just from my own personal history. You say girls can remember 3000 guests. I am positive that Steffi and very certainly Janine did not session with 3000 guys a minimum of 2,3 times. Yet they forgot me. It is those instances guys conveniently forget to mention here.

And it is not as if anyone has done a survey to test their memory. Girls talk endlessly, yes they do -- but unless you understand Romanian, you have no clue what they are yapping about. They may be talking about a hundred other things. They are sitting there talking and regurgitating only about clients and their likes and dislike?? And given how many cliques are there in these Rom gangs, how are they passing intel across sub groups, and from German to Rom to Hungarian to Bulgarian, and how are they keeping knowledge alive over years and years when they keep changing clubs and going in and out of business?

JNPR, it doesn't surprise me that Janine was forgetful. Same with Sylvana. They both were lonewolfs.

Steffi talks to me once in a while, because I have monger friends that go with her. So Steffi knows me, even though I have never sessioned with her. Same with Evita. They'd often be cuddling up with a monger friend while I was standing there beside them as a third wheel. Monger friend would say "Hey, do you know McA?" Their smart-ass response was always "Yes, of course. He is always here". I have probably been introduced to Evita five times in this manner, although we've never actually spoken directly one-on-one. WGs know me through their network of WG friends and through their network of clients.

Ninety percent of the WGs I have a scouting report on are WGs I have never sessioned before. Many I have never even personally talked to. I only know about them through my monger friends network. I attend the clubs maybe 75 days a year. Many of my monger friends attend even more than I do. Or I have monger friends that dedicate 90 percent of their visits to one club, so when I visit their home club, I get subject matter expert level of knowledge from them. Often, they overload my brain with names and scouting reports. I retain about 25 percent. But these guys tend to be happy to repeat, if I ask them to share. When I said that a WG could probably remember 3000 faces and small details about each, I would say a substantial percentage of the faces they know, are not mongers they've sessioned with, but mongers that are at the club most often or spend the largest amounts.

In reality, I may have only logged 10 visits at Sharks this year. To the WGs, it probably seems like am there more, because I am always sitting on the couch (never doing long rooms). But there is continuity. Sometimes a fresh-off-the-bus WG will see me walking by and say "Hey baby where you go?" The veteran WG will will then abruptly say to FOTB WG, "Don't waste your time with that one. He only goes with WGs with big tits". They do the tits cupping motion with their hands, which is universal. I laugh. They laugh back. I keep walking around the track. There are also WGs that do the FKK club circuit. Egyptian Angelina knows me from Palace, Oase, and Sharks. Her friends at all three of those clubs never approach me.

[Sirioja]

If you have done 1000 DATY and never paid extra you seem to have serious skills in negotiating. I don't know how you do it so I have my eyes open to read your secret!

Maybe I forgot to say that except for DATY I almost always ask for CIM, COF and I never go for 30 min sessions unless I haven't fucked for 2 weeks.

9 out of 10 I pay 150/ hour for that pack which I find normal from what I read in the ISG board. So it is not like I ask DATY only as an extra when negotiating but I want DATY to be included in the pack. There are some ladies that have asked 200 for that including BBBJ which I usually reject unless she is very hot.

150 is just normal rate for 1 hour with CIM in Hessen. I think many girls would accept at Sharks where business is not so busy now. Even cost only 125 in NRW.

Most of girls don t respect club rate which is 50/30 mn including DFK, DATY, BJ and sex, at Palace, but usually WGs don t ask for extra to be DATY, good way to change a girl behavior on first room. Some even say: thank You, after orgasmus, most say: now your turn for pleasure. Girls don t look at You in same way when You make them cum, and easier from clit than vagina, with most of them.

[Member #4636]

And it is not as if anyone has done a survey to test their memory. Girls talk endlessly, yes they do -- but unless you understand Romanian, you have no clue what they are yapping about. They may be talking about a hundred other things. They are sitting there talking and regurgitating only about clients and their likes and dislike?? And given how many cliques are there in these Rom gangs, how are they passing intel across sub groups, and from German to Rom to Hungarian to Bulgarian, and how are they keeping knowledge alive over years and years when they keep changing clubs and going in and out of business?

I once asked these Romanian ladies what they are talking about all the time and they told me that the clients was not their main discussion. They talk about their life back home, their new heels, their stomach ache (have you noticed they keep drinking tea?) their problems with the roommates etc. I find it reasonable not talking about our dicks to be honest. They do remember a client that pays much although they don't remember their name.

[Member #4581]

You can debate this endlessly, as always happens. Here are some examples. Steffi did not remember me after 2 or 3 sessions. Others like that: Janine, Aurelia, Evita, Nikki, many others. Those are just from my own personal history. You say girls can remember 3000 guests. I am positive that Steffi and very certainly Janine did not session with 3000 guys a minimum of 2,3 times. Yet they forgot me. It is those instances guys conveniently forget to mention here.

And it is not as if anyone has done a survey to test their memory. Girls talk endlessly, yes they do -- but unless you understand Romanian, you have no clue what they are yapping about. They may be talking about a hundred other things. They are sitting there talking and regurgitating only about clients and their likes and dislike?? And given how many cliques are there in these Rom gangs, how are they passing intel across sub groups, and from German to Rom to Hungarian to Bulgarian, and how are they keeping knowledge alive over years and years when they keep changing clubs and going in and out of business?

[McAdonis]

"I stepped into the club, and this girl that I have not been with in x years knew everything there is to know about me" or "I ran into this girl who I never fucked before, but she knew all my likes and dislikes from her friends who had sessioned with me"...

I am less skeptical than you on this point. I believe these feats of memory can happen often but the posters omit details (I. E. How much they paid, how much time they spent in the room, quirky fetishes they might have). It is precisely these details that make certain mongers easy to stand out and easy to remember.

Here is a hypothetical scenario. Let's imagine your fetish is to BDSM, peeing, or bareback cum-in-ass anal. It really doesn't matter. You invest maybe 30-40 hours room time on ten different WGs, trying to build rapport. Over time, you've made your fetish known to all of them. But you soon realize all ten are just stringing you along, telling you "don't worry baby, we make this next time, I promise". Then you session Steffi. After about the fifth session, you stop going with other WGs, and make Steffi your exclusive FKK wife. Over the six months you then proceed to spend 150 hours room time with Steffi. Because you are such a VIP customer this affords you plenty of pre-and-post-zimmer couch time. Everybody in the club notices that the two of you are attached at the hip (all WGs, most of the staff, many of the local male regulars). At that point, the two of you become "talked about" because other WGs become jealous of Steffi or curious how she hooked such a good whale. Even if Steffi never says anything to anybody about your fetish, WGs will assume she performs this fetish for you. Your face, your potential financial upside as a future customer, and your fetish is then captured in the memory of about 100 WGs.

It is those kinds of anecdotes. I don't doubt those things happen or that some girls here and there know a few details about some guys they docket away as future customers. But to extrapolate such instances into "girls talk and remember" -- there is an element of grand self importance.

Yes, some posters suffer from NPD, which is mainly characterized by "exaggerated sense of self-importance". Symptoms are presented in bullet points here. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20366662.

Fact is, if you truly poll most girls, they miss as miss as much as anyone else and forget as much as anyone else. For every girl that notices who a guy is going to the rooms with, there are multiple girls who are yapping away with their pals and miss things happening right under their noses.

The only ones that are truly branded as being forgetful are WGs like Sylvana. She probably approached me at least ten times, before she finally "recognized" me and left me alone.

At about the seven or so clubs that I attend the most, I find that I know the "service reputations" of between 5-35 percent of the LU on a given night. Counting WGs that are not working that day or recently retired, I probably know the service reputation for easily a 1000 WGs.

For instance, if a monger companions asks me, "what do you know about that WG standing over there?" I can often "pull up her profile" based on what other mongers have told me and respond with "I never been with her myself. But three monger friends liked her. They all pay well so YMMV if you want just a 50 EUR session. Also of those monger friends, one only repeats if the WG does DFK, and another only repeats if the WG does anal, so I suspect the WG you are interested will be extremely open to both".

Why do I bring this up? Because as humans we tend to remember details, when we hear the same story from multiple sources (or hear the same story from the same source repeatedly). The WGs sit in the club full-time. They chat amongst each other full-time. When a customer walks by they might talk about him (that what us mongers do most of the time), so I wouldn't be surprised if each WG could easily remember 3000 faces, and some small details about each. I suspect they are more incentivized to remember the guys at the two separate extremes (I. E. Future potential whales or cheap, hard-to-please, time-wasters).

[Sebastiane]

It's been 3 years since I was in Palace but would like to go back soon but I need to know on which days the girls are completely nude.

Thanks.

[Sebastiane]

W. Because most gents including myself will pay 300 E for a day at a FKK club getting the exact same thing that you pay 450 E for. I.

I doubt that very much I. E 'that you get exactly the same'. Unless that just means 'sex' but if you mean 'sex with high 8's, 9's and 10's (the only ones I go with) including DFK, DATY, 69, BBBJ and analingus' I doubt it even more! But there's no point in arguing. I rarely go for 30 min sessions and my standard is 60/100.

[Sebastiane]

We don't have to agree. It can still be a good and respectful discussion. But I think you are missing my point a little.

I have always liked the honesty in your reports as you always seem to pay the 50 E extra to the girls. .

Thanks for liking my reports but I don't pay 50 extra for things that are not 'extras'- unless the girl is absolutely one I must go with!' I pay extra for things like analingus, [CodeWord119], CIM, anal, but rarely for DFK or DATY. I only pay that if the girl is 9+/10 and doesn't want to go to a room for 50 for 30 minutes. Then I have no problem with paying 50 extra if she won't go. Why? I don't want to miss an opportunity to have sex. The reason I usually get excellent service is that I tend to go with 4 or 5 girls per day and spend an hour with each girl. I rarely do 30 minutes sessions even from the start of my FKK career. So my average spend is more like 500-700. The most I've spent I think is 1400 but that was with 7 girls including 2 threesomes and many extras!!

I agree we don't have to agree but I just thought your post was too unrepresentative.

[HungryStud101]

Absolutely true Kowboy.

[The Cane]

As if prison isn't bad enough tonight I got dragged in to a torture chamber, just another arm of the Sexual Prison System we live in. Had dinner with another monger from this neck of the woods and got dragged in to Perfect 10, Austin's finest strip club after eating. The girls were actually all very doable, many lookers but no action. Just $20 dances. I happily would have paid $100 for a CBJ and a fuck tonight even $150 from any Shark! I would have paid any Gypsy even more to service me. We got dances instead. Biggest fucking scam ever. Combined 10 dances for $200 and $30 on club entry. For what? I got nothing from them. Our strippers are actually pretty but we can't fuck them but we can fuck our hookers but they are ' The Deplorables ' ; can't win either way. This country sucks.

I can't even bring myself to go to a USA Strip club anymore. A few times I have tried. Got the money I wanted to spend and everything, but then I just couldn't do it. Didn't even leave the house for the strip club. For that kind of money in Germany, I could have had an hour long session with a really pretty girl and fucked her in her mouth, pussy, and asshole (with a nut in each orifice) and still had time for some massage. Have passport, will travel!

[Kosher Kowboy]

I feel like a fool for not going to the room with a girl over a few Euros sitting back in the sex prison. .

I feel the same, for a year I went back and forth over 50 Euros with a favorite and same thing with a new found favorite too over the same amount; now I am happy fucking both of them regularly at club rate for services rendered. Zero regrets now. Life is too short to haggle over a few Euros if it is the girl you really want to fuck and no more walking away from a girl because she won't let me shove my bacteria and fungus laced fist with dangling hangnails up her fucking kunt for 50 Euros during our wedding night.

As if prison isn't bad enough tonight I got dragged in to a torture chamber, just another arm of the Sexual Prison System we live in. Had dinner with another monger from this neck of the woods and got dragged in to Perfect 10, Austin's finest strip club after eating. The girls were actually all very doable, many lookers but no action. Just $20 dances. I happily would have paid $100 for a CBJ and a fuck tonight even $150 from any Shark! I would have paid any Gypsy even more to service me. We got dances instead. Biggest fucking scam ever. Combined 10 dances for $200 and $30 on club entry. For what? I got nothing from them. Our strippers are actually pretty but we can't fuck them but we can fuck our hookers but they are ' The Deplorables ' ; can't win either way. This country sucks.

At least I got to shake Ultra Happy's hand good night.