FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Sebastiane]

I don't agree with Mr. Shark. I speak fluent German and the service I get varies from girl to girl and from club to club. Sure girls talk but it is not as bad as you are making out. In over 10 years of mongering all over Germany I can speak with experience. When I started years ago at Palace 50 e usually got you DFK, sex, BBBJ and a GFE with some girls for 30 min. Now you have to pay 100-150 for the same but you go for an hour. And I personally am not going to haggle over 50 euros with a girl who is the one I want to go with! Sure you can keep on rejecting girls until one agrees to do everything for 50 e but that's not why I go to FKKs. I go to have sex with the most beautiful girls and very few of the hottest girls now with give you what you want for just 50. I would rather pay a 10 100 for 30 min than wait for a 6 for a measly 50 e saving! Obviously there is some variation depending on the club: a 10 at Samya with everything I want will be less than a 10 at Palace or Harmony or Globe simply because the latter clubs have higher rates.

I know girls talk- I myself have mentioned it- but it can also work in your favour if you have a good reputation. And that increases if you've become a regular!

At the end of the day we all go to FKK looking for slightly different things other than just fucking. Some want to try only girls who are 18 or 19, some will only go for optificks, some wait for the 10's only, some want a fuck for 50 only no matter what. And some guys pre-book their favourites for multiple hours or even the whole day!

I personally don't think the effect of tourists on pricing is that high as most of the customers tend to be locals -- even though it could be Auslander who live and work in Germany.

[Sirioja]

My experience is very similar too. For over a decade, latest being in early 2018 (wish I can get out of this sex prison soon, else I might as well die LOL). That said, if even by mistake, even for only once, literally just one time, you pay more than the "standard" rates for any of the services, you are NOT going to get anything for the standard rate never ever in that club. And may even be not in any other clubs in Germany, Switzerland and Austria! Until you stop going to FKKs for couple of years by when fresh new girls come into the business who never saw / heard of you. These WGs talk. I mean really really TALK! About every single details about you. They have a lot of time in between sessions, even the busiest girls. They talk on the couches, in the locker rooms, in their sleeping rooms, restaurants, everywhere. Consider the girls in your personal life talking, make that 100 times for these WGs. If one girl sees a post here in ISG that she thinks her friends should know, that will be spread viral in no time LOL. And they never ever forget who was a sucker (or not), even after many years!

Don't be paranoiac, girls talk, but guys bullshit even more, so many need, rather than enjoying fucking girls.

Manners and skill pay as money, but 50 are for rabbit sex, too short to take time to make love in bed, with foreplay. Making really cum girls, not just fake porn moaning, make girls looking at you in different way. Even those who try to block at the beginning but when they feel it s coming, most of girls will help you to make them cum, some pressing on your head. Even exhausting for some, but it s like a drug, they want to feel, and they don t get so often real orgasmus, some nearly squirting, some with really sticky juice. Funny to try to make them taste their own juice.

[Gino02]

It seems to happen more than you think. You make it sound like it is impossible. It's not. I can't recall a club visit in 2018 where I did not have the opportunity.

Of course; if you go for 1 h sessions a lot more girls will provide a good performance (including all the services that FKK visitors normally would expect). I'd say 80- 90% of the girls (including the hottest). So, 100 E /1 h is the going rate IME. But yes, there are enough hot girls that will happily provide good performance in a 50 E /30 mnts session too. It's not about which girls provide what, but about your own attitude and expectations (and possibly a bit of luck and charm).

Of course #2; my experiences in 2017- 18 have basically been at Oase and World (and to a lesser extent at Atlanta / Sharks/Bernd's/Rom). I have not been to Palace and Mainhattan in a long time. The reason is primarily that I find it more difficult to get good peformance at a normal rate there. So; there you go.

My experience is very similar too. For over a decade, latest being in early 2018 (wish I can get out of this sex prison soon, else I might as well die LOL). That said, if even by mistake, even for only once, literally just one time, you pay more than the "standard" rates for any of the services, you are NOT going to get anything for the standard rate never ever in that club. And may even be not in any other clubs in Germany, Switzerland and Austria! Until you stop going to FKKs for couple of years by when fresh new girls come into the business who never saw / heard of you. These WGs talk. I mean really really TALK! About every single details about you. They have a lot of time in between sessions, even the busiest girls. They talk on the couches, in the locker rooms, in their sleeping rooms, restaurants, everywhere. Consider the girls in your personal life talking, make that 100 times for these WGs. If one girl sees a post here in ISG that she thinks her friends should know, that will be spread viral in no time LOL. And they never ever forget who was a sucker (or not), even after many years!

Only for once, few years back, I paid 200 e for an hour of super hot sweaty 1 hour public session with CIM in Palace kino, which I should have paid the standard 150 e. After that one mistake, I could not get any standard rate service in Palace for next couple of years from any girls!

Even worse (or should I say was better for me), I was surprised that one girl I never met before, very nicely told me in Globe (Zurich) that she saw me in Sharks couple of years back with her friend, and she knows what I like and how much I pay. She described quite correctly all these but also warned me that the costs are going to about double, but she would like to give me discounts as she wants to be my regular like her friend back in Sharks. She is a Globe hottie in early 20's!

So IME, whatever maximum I pay for whatever service one time, just ONE TIME, even by mistake, that becomes a minimum rate (almost like written on my forehead) that I will have to pay across the board for these WGs. And if I paid more than the standard rates, they will try to get even more for the same service in every occasion as they know I don't stick to standard rates. I think I can bring the rates back to standard only in one of the two ways. Either I stop going to FKKs for next couple of years, and then the new girls don't know me. Or accept a lot of declines from these WGs until they all talk and the cartel decides that this guy is no longer a sucker, so only way to get any euros from him is by delivering services at standard rates, which is still some awesome money compared to nothing!

[Shark16]

I knew there was a word missing in my report. Nice find, Gino. Here is a better link to RB's report I think: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post1702812.

[Gino02]

I have never had such luck getting all these for just 50 e.

Have you by any chance read this old post #7576 in Artemis thread http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...812&viewfull=1#post1702812 (or something similar) and practiced these principles, not only hard negotiations? If you did and your results didn't improve, I am sorry I don't have any other suggestion. But if you are yet to practice these principles, very likely you will start having amazing results once you start, like my experience over the decades. Good luck Pksimar69.

[Shark16]

Would you feel comfortable rephrasing your original statement to "there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service for 50 EUR 30 min"?

It seems to happen more than you think. You make it sound like it is impossible. It's not. I can't recall a club visit in 2018 where I did not have the opportunity.

Of course; if you go for 1 h sessions a lot more girls will provide a good performance (including all the services that FKK visitors normally would expect). I'd say 80- 90% of the girls (including the hottest). So, 100 E /1 h is the going rate IME. But yes, there are enough hot girls that will happily provide good performance in a 50 E /30 mnts session too. It's not about which girls provide what, but about your own attitude and expectations (and possibly a bit of luck and charm).

Of course #2; my experiences in 2017- 18 have basically been at Oase and World (and to a lesser extent at Atlanta / Sharks/Bernd's/Rom). I have not been to Palace and Mainhattan in a long time. The reason is primarily that I find it more difficult to get good peformance at a normal rate there. So; there you go.

[Member #4636]

I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick in my post below. I just want people to understand my perspective.

You did not sound like a dick. I get that perspective because I also feel the same too. If something is not ordinary and you have already spent to get there, you want the best out of it so you don't mind to throw an extra 50 e to get there. I have also done the same, I prefer to give something more and increase the pleasure. It is all VFM at the end of the day.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Haven't been following closely. Perhaps HS101 is not booking his trips 5-6 months in advance.

How much time do you spend per day executing these searches? I've seen some airline websites that show two month calendars side-by-side. So for example, the calendar on the left would show 31 price points for outgoing flights on March 2019. Calendar on the right would show the 30 price points for each calendar in April 2019. Skyscanner uses such an interface, so you can at a glance see what might be the cheapest day in a given month to fly into Frankfurt and what the cheapest day to fly out of Frankfurt on a given month:

https://www.skyscanner.co.nz/wp-cont...t.png?fit=1048, 1223.

Is that how you are able to do it quickly? I hear other people setup email alerts. Like send me an "email when JFK-FRA ticket is under $500".

I do book 2-4 months in advance usually. I clicked on that link. Delta has the calendar view as well for one full month or a 5 week view that shows the options 5 weeks before your selected departure date and 5 weeks after your selected return date. Something like that.

Don't really spend that much time, am booked four months out now and probably in another month or so will start sniffing around for the spring in the meantime maybe I will check every 3 days for shits and giggles just in case a steal is out there. I can't remember who it was but I vaguely recall I think Badinsweet once posting about some search he set up and often found very cheap flights from I think the west coast for $500-$700 (I think) . Once I see a fare I want to buy I quickly open hotels.com up to make sure it is not Messe time as the hotels will be triple, quadrupled jacked up if not more. Than I buy. My goal is to get the flight for $1 K or less and get a room for $100 a night or less and try to get a 7 day overhead for air / lodging in the $1500-$1700 range or under ideally, between $1700-$1800 I think about it any higher I keep hunting. The greater my overhead the more visits to Day Care I will make to balance all out.

Recently my time is consumed drooling and dreaming of the reinspritzing Gypsies in Vienna and staring at the girls on those sites. How that city and those studios weren't on my radar before I have no clue.

[McAdonis]

I just searched March 4-18 and April 2-16 and the rates are $836 to $939 w taxes JFK to FRA. (Comfort+).

Haven't been following closely. Perhaps HS101 is not booking his trips 5-6 months in advance.

FWIW I check the Delta site if I am up late or up early once a day between midnight and 6 AM and I would say every 3 weeks or so a drastic drop hits and I buy. I got my last flight while in FRA, left for a club early to get the cheaper entry and the price was over $1600 bucks came back and logged on and was something like $835. I got the ticket and went to bed. I woke up the next day was over $1700 again. They don't advertise these flash drops.

How much time do you spend per day executing these searches? I've seen some airline websites that show two month calendars side-by-side. So for example, the calendar on the left would show 31 price points for outgoing flights on March 2019. Calendar on the right would show the 30 price points for each calendar in April 2019. Skyscanner uses such an interface, so you can at a glance see what might be the cheapest day in a given month to fly into Frankfurt and what the cheapest day to fly out of Frankfurt on a given month:

https://www.skyscanner.co.nz/wp-cont...t.png?fit=1048, 1223.

Is that how you are able to do it quickly? I hear other people setup email alerts. Like send me an "email when JFK-FRA ticket is under $500".

[Kosher Kowboy]

No.

Delta in Coach class and it wasn't even comfort plus. In fact I saved 800 $ by going back on a Sunday. My flight was just over $2,000 this time.

My colleague made his arrangements a few days after me and he left on Friday which was a more popular day and he paid 3,000 $ this trip and that was coach class too.

I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick in my post below. I just want people to understand my perspective.

What route are you taking on Delta?

I always fly thru Atlanta if the price is right if not thru NYC and Comfort+ is all I sit in. Comfort+ JFK-FRA is pretty much always $900 +/- $75 RT but not one search engine or the Delta site itself will route you thru there so I buy one ticket to JFK and than a second ticket JFK-FRA. Delta won't say why they won't route thru there on searches on a combined ticket so try it out next time a la carte the only catch is have to get to JFK but from there it is a steal. How much is a flight to JFK from where you are? Add $1 K to that and see how much it is RT thru New York? Has to be less than $2 K-$3 K?

I just searched March 4-18 and April 2-16 and the rates are $836 to $939 w taxes JFK to FRA. (Comfort+).

FWIW I check the Delta site if I am up late or up early once a day between midnight and 6 AM and I would say every 3 weeks or so a drastic drop hits and I buy. I got my last flight while in FRA, left for a club early to get the cheaper entry and the price was over $1600 bucks came back and logged on and was something like $835. I got the ticket and went to bed. I woke up the next day was over $1700 again. They don't advertise these flash drops.

[HungryStud101]

From USA flight cost 2000 to 3000 usd? Business class right?

No.

Delta in Coach class and it wasn't even comfort plus. In fact I saved 800 $ by going back on a Sunday. My flight was just over $2,000 this time.

My colleague made his arrangements a few days after me and he left on Friday which was a more popular day and he paid 3,000 $ this trip and that was coach class too.

I'm sorry if I sounded like a dick in my post below. I just want people to understand my perspective.

[ExpatLover]

Please tell me Gino and Shark16: When did CIM not come with an Extra fee? I have been going to the FKKs since 2010 and it always has. Maybe you misunderstood my posts? It is rare that a girl will throw in CIM for free in a FKK. If they do decide to give it up for free that is not standard. Am I wrong?

You think a guy that pays for an extra service is a sucker? I think a guy that sits with a girl in a room for hours on end or takes a girl home and brags that they did this for 700 Euros is also a sucker. Hell, 700 euros is 2 full days in an FKK with a little left over.

My flight costs at least 2000-3000 $. Car rental and hotels are also expensive (car rentals are 2 X the USA). The opportunity to get away to visit an FKK is rare. Also understand that old women in the US charge incredible prices. 300 $ to 600 $/ hour. Vegas is an expensive place to monger. My favorite agency is at 500 $/ hour Girls at the world famous Vegas Brothels are ugly and I wouldn't fuck most of them for free. I get across the pond rarely and I don't come here to make a point with a WG over 50 Euros. This is not that big a deal for us really and I am not going to sleep with ugly women to save 50 Euros. She has to do something for me optically. So even though there are many 50 Euro options, I usually do not care to spend too much of my precious time with them...maybe I will do a few 50E sessions per visit. I did 3 this visit and last trip I can remember 4.

Please try to see things from my perspective.

And BTW. I didn't go with the girls that wanted 150 Euro for a BBBJ+CIM. I just reported it. I was trying to avoid saying BBBJ +CIM but I don't think I am getting through to you so I will put it in print.

Everyone has the right to act like he wants, CIM was never for free except with a girl you know well and you have long booking with her, she will give everything for free just because you are spending thousans and thousands every year with her. What is sure, prices are going up and service is going down also more and more veteran girls in the girls knowing how to suck our cash.

[Mr Ho]

Please tell me Gino and Shark16: When did CIM not come with an Extra fee? I have been going to the FKKs since 2010 and it always has. Maybe you misunderstood my posts? It is rare that a girl will throw in CIM for free in a FKK. If they do decide to give it up for free that is not standard. Am I wrong?

You think a guy that pays for an extra service is a sucker? I think a guy that sits with a girl in a room for hours on end or takes a girl home and brags that they did this for 700 Euros is also a sucker. Hell, 700 euros is 2 full days in an FKK with a little left over.

My flight costs at least 2000-3000 $. Car rental and hotels are also expensive (car rentals are 2 X the USA). The opportunity to get away to visit an FKK is rare. Also understand that old women in the US charge incredible prices. 300 $ to 600 $/ hour. Vegas is an expensive place to monger. My favorite agency is at 500 $/ hour Girls at the world famous Vegas Brothels are ugly and I wouldn't fuck most of them for free. I get across the pond rarely and I don't come here to make a point with a WG over 50 Euros. This is not that big a deal for us really and I am not going to sleep with ugly women to save 50 Euros..

From USA flight cost 2000 to 3000 usd? Business class right?

[HungryStud101]

Thanks for the kind words Shark16. Hope that eventually all these scamming goes away and everyone (including the girls) is happy.

Thanks a lot for reminding us all of the correct rates. I wish this could be a sticky note on top of every FKK thread on ISG.

Some girls will not kiss. Some will not permit FIV. Some will only provide CBJ. We have to respect that (and say politely "no thank you" and move on to a better performer). What we should not respect is that services as DFK or FIV (or BBBJ) only come with an extra fee. That's a scam and such girls should be avoided at all costs.

The more pushover you are, the more upselling you will experience in the clubs. It's as simple as that. Your choice.

Please tell me Gino and Shark16: When did CIM not come with an Extra fee? I have been going to the FKKs since 2010 and it always has. Maybe you misunderstood my posts? It is rare that a girl will throw in CIM for free in a FKK. If they do decide to give it up for free that is not standard. Am I wrong?

You think a guy that pays for an extra service is a sucker? I think a guy that sits with a girl in a room for hours on end or takes a girl home and brags that they did this for 700 Euros is also a sucker. Hell, 700 euros is 2 full days in an FKK with a little left over.

My flight costs at least 2000-3000 $. Car rental and hotels are also expensive (car rentals are 2 X the USA). The opportunity to get away to visit an FKK is rare. Also understand that old women in the US charge incredible prices. 300 $ to 600 $/ hour. Vegas is an expensive place to monger. My favorite agency is at 500 $/ hour Girls at the world famous Vegas Brothels are ugly and I wouldn't fuck most of them for free. I get across the pond rarely and I don't come here to make a point with a WG over 50 Euros. This is not that big a deal for us really and I am not going to sleep with ugly women to save 50 Euros. She has to do something for me optically. So even though there are many 50 Euro options, I usually do not care to spend too much of my precious time with them...maybe I will do a few 50E sessions per visit. I did 3 this visit and last trip I can remember 4.

Please try to see things from my perspective.

And BTW. I didn't go with the girls that wanted 150 Euro for a BBBJ+CIM. I just reported it. I was trying to avoid saying BBBJ +CIM but I don't think I am getting through to you so I will put it in print.

[Gino02]

Standard rate is ambiguous. If three customers were to pay the following: 50 EUR per 30 min. 100 EUR per 60 minute. 600 EUR per 6 hours.

All three customers would have paid "standard rates". Nobody tipped or paid more than market rate. But in most cases, the guy paying 600 EUR per 6 hours would be the most desirable.

Would you feel comfortable rephrasing your original statement to "there are plenty of the hottest girls that give great service for 50 EUR 30 min"?

Excellent point McA. Only the honest, passionate and nice optifuck girls will get few 6 hours bookings (like in Globe), so essentially the market will reward the solid service and looks. No need to pay inflated prices. Similar to any other service business.