FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Member #4285]

I think I would like to re-create the scene but I know I'll need George Lucas' Industrial Light and Magic team to provide the CGI for the enormous schlong part.

Haha, thanks for the laugh, and nice report.

[Basketcase]

Hey All,

I hate to say it but Palace is off the weekly trip list for me too.

This was my trip report from a Palace raid that I did.

I was there with a good crew just recently and took it up since the reports were getting good and a senior member would be chaperoning this one. I even called in a friend for his debut visit too and he got bitten by the same woman as me - Vanessa (Germany) of the long straight fashioned brunette who had fake bullet hard C cups and wears a body suit that exposes her breasts and muschi area but covered everyelse up including backside and frontside (except for tits and muschi as stated above). She can be described as having a hard look. Her shark attack on me was wanting more money for putting in an effort, that is, more than €50 for a less than 30 minute session by way of a trinkgeld. She did all the right moves prior to the room like offering muschi licking, kissing, etc... but these services did not eventuate in the room.

Then there was the incident with Evelina (Czech Republic) who was recommended to me by a senior member as a closer and to give me back my faith in Palace girls. The result from that is I got short shrift that she was not going to the room unless I also took her friend Angelina (Czech Republic) too. Certainly a case of YMMV and IMHO since others must have gotten excellent service from her I understand.

I have only time ever had a girl say you must take both girls to a room when I only wanted one and that was Georgina/Georgi (Romania/Germany) at Oase and her friend Christina (?) with the reddish hair she was working with.

I just did not get a good vibe from the other girls so did not partake of much more during a 12 hour visit - yes 12 hours!!!

I had one session where I had popped and that was with Gina (Czech Republic) but was less than satisfied when she kept complaining or talking about options and desires when I just wanted to just get on with the sucking and fucking. During BBBJ she said her neck was hurting from prolonged sucking (like 1 minute) me an used more hand than mouth when going for the CIM finish. It was going to work so I just about finished myself off by fucking her ample boobs which are bolt ons. €50 extra there due to COB finish where at times I do not get charged that at Oase or World. Now with the pricing menus at Palace - it is now official that COB is €50 extra.

Then as the crew was breaking up to leave I decide to take kino pot luck. The kino is empty and I plonk myself down to relax and enjoy a scene where a big boobed blond is getting shafted by a hunk with an enormous schlong. I think I would like to re-create the scene but I know I'll need George Lucas' Industrial Light and Magic team to provide the CGI for the enormous schlong part. Anyway 4 Italian boys come in and treat the kino like a football stadium, yelling, and pointing and basically acting like they are hooligans on a rampage with another European firm.

Irena (Russia) sidles up to me and entices me with her moves giving me touches where I am most sensitive - she knows her touch and reacts well to my gasps and groans. We move to BBBJ. The sucking is full and firm. Eventually the Italian noise makers leave and Irena breaths a sigh of relief that the spectators that are annoying are gone. Irena continues to suck me using her hands in the right places on Eier, on sensitive area in between the testicles and anus, on the male nipples, on inside of thighs, etc... She sucks and sucks and I then get a sense of warmth and release as I empty my seed sack's contents into her mouth. Irena continues to suck me to completion. Nice sensations of her mouth pumping me dry and taking me deep throat into her warm, willing mouth. Well done.

This episode with Irena almost puts my faith back in Palace.

I catch up with my friend and he has been sharked as well with Vanessa (Germany) too. He did have a good session with a refugee from Oase - Cindy (Romania). She is a good one at Palace guys.

Thinking through the evening I realised that I did not enjoy the experience at Palace. Food and drink were good and there are very good facilities but the girls are the main thing I visit for and for me to treated like a walking ATM in my interactions with getting a connection with the girls turning into me declining to session with them has made me decide to take Palace off my raid list for my trips.

All the best,

Londonbasketcase

[Euro100]

Just curious why in the Palace thread, no one can every remember the name of the alleged sharks. It always seems to be "some Spanish girl" or her sister "some dark girl". Not saying the place isn't sharky, but the reports claiming shark bites seem dodgy and short on details. What is it that clouds mens minds such that they can't identify the alleged sharks?

Radler,

I know you like this place, and you want to defend it. And that's fine by me. But since I used the term "this Spanish girl", I guess I owe you an answer. Her name is/was Sandra, at least that's what she told me. I went back and looked at my "records" to remind myself of her name . I also found out that this incident already happened in April 2006. (So, OK, it was more than a year ago, a little over 2 even ...). I have to admit that my memory is a bit cloudy; what can I say there were *SO MANY* other clubs and other girls since then. So I looked up my old post on this incident, and here it is: http://internationalsexguide.info/fo...t.php?p=452512.
As you can see: I described the girl in detail to try to warn off others. While I am "cloudy" now, I certainly was not then. (Also, reading that old post, it seems that the management only made me pay an extra 25, not 50; so this part of my memory is not exactly accurate. And in addition I did not get dressed right away after the incident, but first boned Ambra. Maybe a not so minor detail, I admit. BUT: what is true is that I got ripped off, the management did not come to my rescue, and Ihave never come back to Palace.)

Since there are over 900 posts under my name, I am not exactly a newbie, which should put your assertion to rest that it's always the newbies that bash Palace. And it's pretty easy to check that I am not a whiner and generally have a great time going to the clubs. I have had many great sessions and pretty much always reported on them (in the interest of full disclosure: on the same day that Sandra ripped me off, I had a tremendous session with the blond, petite, and very pretty Rumanian Ambra at Palace; see the aforementioned post). But I have only twice been really pissed at management, once at Palace, and once at Atlantik in Hanau. Neither club gets any more of my business; it's as simple as that.

euro, member 3 of PSBASHG (Palace Shark Bitten Anonymous Self Help Group)

[Travelerb69]

Well, that was enough. I took the condom off, told her she was a complete waste of time stating to her that she'd been upselling big time, refused a blowjob, tried to sell unsafe sex, refused to have covered sex and basically didnt seem interested in earning her money at all. By now I was wrapped in towel and heading for door. She stopped me and tried the "sorry teenager" upset angle on me, which soon returned to "narked tom" when I told her not to bother, it was too late. I advised her that she was a gorgeous girl and if she amended her attitude she could earn very well. I even pointed out that I'd spent 2.5 hours with someone earlier and might have with her if she'd bothered to give service. Finally I said she needed to bear in mind that names and descriptions are shared online and with a floored reputation her earnings might plummet. With that I left saying I intended to speak to the management about her and she shouldnt expect any money.
(some will disagree with me here as time was spent, but really 50 euro for 2 tugs of the hand and a row?)

After a shower I was still wound up and went to lounge by the pool for a while to relax and calm down. Guess who appeared doing the whole "sorry" act. She was bricking herself that the management might get involved.
I made it clear I considered the episode over, that I wasn't prepared to discuss it and asked told her to go away and leave me in peace. Still, it took a minute before she got the message.
I never paid. I didnt report her specifically to the management. I would have on the way out had the other incident wth "Amy" not intervened in the mean time. It seemed pointless after that too, I wasn't going back anyway.


DT, founder of Palace Shark Bitten Anonymous Self Help Group.

ps: I've gained a lot from the boards and feel a little guilty I have not reported properly on my September trip. (Did Hessen three and some others in NRW) I came back going through a bit of a "why am I doing these trips?" phase as some of us do. As such I let reporting slide. Apologies fellas, next trip will be reported in my normal style.

Great report, DT. Congratulations on standing on your ground on both issues with the girls/sharks, you were totally correct. And please add my name to the Palace Shark Bitten Anonymous Self Help Group

Regards, Travelerb69.

[Dick Travel]

Radler, apologies for the lack of details on the girls. I was wishing to concentrate more on my general experiences of Palace. Which to re-iterate are either a very good time or an abismal time.

I think we all appreciate there are many board lurkers who don't post. I think perhaps first timers who have a good time will often post a raving review in their post FKK happy glow state. Maybe most Palace first timers don't get a happy glow! They probably swear at themselves for ever going there, write off FKK's alltogether and we never hear from them. Alternatively, some will be less reactive, write it off as one bad experience, decided to go elsewhere instead and take the step of posting instead of lurking in order to warn others. That would explain the trend of first time posters who choose the Palace thread for their debut posting are often giving "Palace bashing" reports. Maybe?

I didn't give detail as I think most can see that although I'm by no means a "regular" FKK visitor, I've been around the block, earn't my spurs and am a step above fresh shark bait level.

I did end my post with the comment that ones radar needs to be fully functioning at Palace, even the experienced can get bitten there.


Details:

I too had a similar argument on my last visit. I can't recall the girls name but she was dark skinned..........

I have now retrieved the notes I made (as I do for ref) from my PDA.

The girl in this case was Amy from the Dominican Republic.


I also mentioned I'd had other nibbling attacks that evening.

Jenny, Bulgarian, slim, black hair ?shoulder length, pale skin, blue eyes, very tasty !
Good outside room, normal little chat, wandering hands, tester kiss etc. Once inside the room switched to immediate upselling, a very brief handjob, moved towards a BJ but paused to try an advance upsell to CIM, got the "maybe" response. She then wouldn't even start a blow job without committment to CIM. Instead she laid on the bed and tried to sell me sex without a condom for 500 euro. Of course I refused, I am neither wishing to risk my health with her or blow 500 euro on that attitude.
I should have quit then but instead I thought I could still make something of the session by giving her a good fucking ! So I said, "lets just have sex eh?" and and put the condom on myself. She then positioned herself kneeling, back to me, head down on knees, bum pressed down on her feet (together tucked under her bum). In other words completely positioned such that there was no earthly way I could enter her. Afetr about 30 seconds I laughed and she looked around with a "what's the matter" look.

Well, that was enough. I took the condom off, told her she was a complete waste of time stating to her that she'd been upselling big time, refused a blowjob, tried to sell unsafe sex, refused to have covered sex and basically didnt seem interested in earning her money at all. By now I was wrapped in towel and heading for door. She stopped me and tried the "sorry teenager" upset angle on me, which soon returned to "narked tom" when I told her not to bother, it was too late. I advised her that she was a gorgeous girl and if she amended her attitude she could earn very well. I even pointed out that I'd spent 2.5 hours with someone earlier and might have with her if she'd bothered to give service. Finally I said she needed to bear in mind that names and descriptions are shared online and with a floored reputation her earnings might plummet. With that I left saying I intended to speak to the management about her and she shouldnt expect any money.
(some will disagree with me here as time was spent, but really 50 euro for 2 tugs of the hand and a row?)

After a shower I was still wound up and went to lounge by the pool for a while to relax and calm down. Guess who appeared doing the whole "sorry" act. She was bricking herself that the management might get involved.
I made it clear I considered the episode over, that I wasn't prepared to discuss it and asked told her to go away and leave me in peace. Still, it took a minute before she got the message.
I never paid. I didnt report her specifically to the management. I would have on the way out had the other incident wth "Amy" not intervened in the mean time. It seemed pointless after that too, I wasn't going back anyway.


So, beware, experienced mongers occasionally get chewed here. I guess it's par for the course, you get some bad ones. I normally cough the 50E up and mark it up to experience. But sometimes enough is enough.

I re-iterate though, some of the girls are great, but I'd be wary to go back now, would I be able to relax and find the good girls? Sharks lurk in all FKK waters but it does seem Palace has quite a lot.

Maybe the crunch is affecting trade and the management are seeing less "tourist" / "business" one timers coming through. Perhaps they are sensing a need to amend the business model and rely a bit more on regular trade fed by quality service.

Anyway, enough said, I feel better for the rant, thankyou for listening.

DT, founder of Palace Shark Bitten Anonymous Self Help Group.

ps: I've gained a lot from the boards and feel a little guilty I have not reported properly on my September trip. (Did Hessen three and some others in NRW) I came back going through a bit of a "why am I doing these trips?" phase as some of us do. As such I let reporting slide. Apologies fellas, next trip will be reported in my normal style.

[Breadman]

Just curious why in the Palace thread, no one can every remember the name of the alleged sharks. It always seems to be "some Spanish girl" or her sister "some dark girl". Not saying the place isn't sharky, but the reports claiming shark bites seem dodgy and short on details. What is it that clouds mens minds such that they can't identify the alleged sharks?

Other curiousity is the persistent pattern of first time posters (hello Long Black Coat) who pop in to share their shark bite stories. You'ld actually gain some cred by posting a review or two somewhere, anywhere before popping in for a little Palace bashiong.

And what about the newbies who post glowing info like Cc Rye and Bob Mantis back around November? Should we question their 'cred' on these reports until they start posting more reviews?

Some of suspect it is just an alias for the long time Palace bashers.

And are you actually suggesting that these negative reports are being done by other members of the board? If so, then all the positive reports from newbie's might be coming from someone defending these anti bashing?

[Hessen Bub]

Yes, GT has its issues, some sharks also, but I would not compare any other club with Palace regarding girls bad attitude and services. And what is worse, again, management does not care at all.

Maybe management does not do enough to get the club a better reputation. But still: It's the girls that rip guys of, not the club itself. There's so many great service providers at Palace. And they expelled a girl named "Stella" just a few weeks ago, they put out the menus - there's something happening. And again: I do get bad sessions at other clubs too - Paradise, World, Oase, GoldenTime. Not as many as newbies - but that's not only being a regular guest, it is just some experience built up in a few years of clubbing.

HB

[Travelerb69]

Other curiousity is the persistent pattern of first time posters (hello Long Black Coat) who pop in to share their shark bite stories. You'ld actually gain some cred by posting a review or two somewhere, anywhere before popping in for a little Palace bashiong. Some of suspect it is just an alias for the long time Palace bashers.

Someone asked why always Palace. Well, there was the great photography controversy in the VV thread this summer. And lets not forget the 100E hours girls at GT.

Hi Radler,

the explanation for the reports about shark bites coming from new posters(of course with just a few posts in their curriculum) seems very simple to me: among ISG members only newbies with little info go to Palace nowadays, and surely those are the ones bound to be bitten by the sharks there. True there a few experienced punters here that go there also but those know their way around at the club and get better service.

Yes, GT has its issues, some sharks also, but I would not compare any other club with Palace regarding girls bad attitude and services. And what is worse, again, management does not care at all.

[Ekliges Lauern]

Wow, seems myself and the previous poster really stirred a hornets nest.

Just curious why in the Palace thread, no one can every remember the name of the alleged sharks. It always seems to be "some Spanish girl" or her sister "some dark girl". Not saying the place isn't sharky, but the reports claiming shark bites seem dodgy and short on details. What is it that clouds mens minds such that they can't identify the alleged sharks?

Other curiousity is the persistent pattern of first time posters (hello Long Black Coat) who pop in to share their shark bite stories. You'ld actually gain some cred by posting a review or two somewhere, anywhere before popping in for a little Palace bashiong. Some of suspect it is just an alias for the long time Palace bashers.

Someone asked why always Palace. Well, there was the great photography controversy in the VV thread this summer. And lets not forget the 100E hours girls at GT.

[Jackyo]

I wonder why this appears to be (anecdotally) primarily a Palace phenonema.
Is it just because there are too many newbie, shark vulnerable, wide eyed newbies that attend Palace and roll over too easily? Maybe, it would explain why the girls try it on here. Or is it just that being in central Frankfurt near the Messe etc that there are quite wealthy international busines men making up quite a proportion of the clientele, so they can write off E50 extra scams easier compared to the Ryanair flying FKK hobbyists?

It is too easily accessible and is the first destination of anyone arriving at FRA. They can, for that reason, charge an entry fee beyond what the other two major Hessen clubs charge and still get traffic.

And yes, the average tourist doesn't know better. They aren't demanding enough of the girls and the girls know they can get away with it.

Its the same reason why Hamburg, which is the widest known reputation for paid sex in Germany, is such a let down in terms of Preisleistungsverhaeltnis.

If this club were to survive solely on the return customer factor, solely on local clients (a Stammkunde), it would have to change its service orientation and the girls would have to really earn their fees. If the average tourist gets a bad session and says "I'm not returning ever again.", its no big loss. There are so many of them where they came from.

Again it comes to down to whether the girls are transactional (which they are this club) or are more relationship oriented (which they aren't except for a certain select few here who visit the place often enough and who are therefore shark proof).

[Hessen Bub]

that the management pay her the difference.

In no way. Maybe in a very bad case they will give her free entrance the next time, but no money paid. This refers to all clubs I know.

HB

[Dick Travel]

Wow, seems myself and the previous poster really stirred a hornets nest.

The most disturbing thing to me is this : At Palace I was beginning to sense that unless very early in a session one made the right noises in response to upsell suggestions, then you were condemning yourself to a very "lack lustre going through the motions with snotty reluctant attitude" service.
A "maybe" seemed to be insulting. It's almost as if the girls don't feel a E50 session is worth bothering with. (not all the girls though)

(as an aside, I wonder if the girls have expressed wishes to raise the standard price but it's been resisted by the management?)

At other clubs although I might experience attempted upsells, my standard response of "maybe, lets see" does not have a negative effect, in fact i think for some providers it's a challenge which results in them going for it and providing notably good standard services, following which they normaly get their wishes as I'm enjoying myself and more often than not do finish with a CIM or other extra.

Imagine yourself looking at new cars at a major dealers, you talk to a sales person, take a short test drive, then happy in your choice you're in the office sorting out the price etc. Lets say it's for a shiny BMW. The dealer then asks if you'd like the sunroof option and colour co-ordinated wing mirrors, only £700 more. You reply no thanks and suddenly he acts insulted and starts preparing to deliver a Ford Escort to you. No ! It wouldnt happen.

I also don't deal with any salespersons who try to elicit my earnings or likely level of spend prior to telling me the prices. In the UK kitchen and double glazing salespersons are notorious for this. Thankfully pricing is standard at FKK's irrespective of ones bank balance.

I wonder why this appears to be (anecdotally) primarily a Palace phenonema.
Is it just because there are too many newbie, shark vulnerable, wide eyed newbies that attend Palace and roll over too easily? Maybe, it would explain why the girls try it on here. Or is it just that being in central Frankfurt near the Messe etc that there are quite wealthy international busines men making up quite a proportion of the clientele, so they can write off E50 extra scams easier compared to the Ryanair flying FKK hobbyists?

The appearance of the laminate cards could be both a good sign and a bad sign. On the bad side, it suggests the number of complaints has gone up, sure this could just be the men are growing balls, but more likely it's that more providers are sharking. On the good side, it suggest management acknowledge a problem exists. Hopefully they see it as a shark problem as opposed to men trying to wriggle out of payments.
I'll reserve judgment. However, I note in my personal experiences and those reported by others, that the management is yet to support the man when he brings an issue to their attention. So, maybe they have introduced the cards to protect the providers?

Finally a question. It seemed to be suggested below that where a dispute arises and the man doesnt pay all the girl claims shes owed, that the management pay her the difference. Can this be? Is that the case? Surely that would mean the managment are then providing more than just premises fo consenting adults to meet in, if they get involved with payment for sexual services are they on dodgy ground?

DT

[Travelerb69]

Sorry, I can't agree with you. The only legitimate claim that she has is for her time, since she is working on a time basis, and once you commit to a session, she is entitled to payment for her time since she cannot be soliciting other customers while she is with you.

We pay for services that we receive and do not pay for services that we do not receive. In everyday life we would never put up with this sh*t, but in an FKK club we should, because the service provider is a naked woman and we're ashamed that we're in a pay for sex environment?

If I ask for CIM, and she gives me a BBBJ, but I don't come, she is not entitled to the CIM bonus, since I did not come in her mouth. She is entitled to payment for the standard service that she provided, assuming that she did provide at least the minimal level of service that could be expected at an FKK club. And, apparently, some of the Palace SP even have a problem with that.

Could not agree more. We pay for their time and the services that were actually provided, not for so=called commitments of services ahead, which, by the way, are generally just an upsell from bad sex workers.

As for the boycotting Palace , I am already doing it and have no intention of going there till things really change, which I don't think is gonna happen. Yes, their location is good, but I'd rather go to clubs not so centrally located but shark-free.

[Jackyo]

Sorry, FKK newbie here.

Do guys where like bath towels around their waists at Palace or are they provided robes?

Just curious what to expect... Thanks.

All nude is an option, too, by the way.

Let it all hang out.

That is what FKK is all about.

The only club I really see this practiced by the men (to match the non-apparel wearing of the women) is Bernds though.

Wrap yourself in a towel and/or robe turn yourself into a polar bear.

[Iseeu]

Maybe I wasn't clear. I said that if YOU back out of anal after agreeing to pay for it, then she has a legitimate claim to the money. But if SHE backs out, then you should not have to pay. OK, maybe "backs out" isn't the best term.

Sorry, I can't agree with you. The only legitimate claim that she has is for her time, since she is working on a time basis, and once you commit to a session, she is entitled to payment for her time since she cannot be soliciting other customers while she is with you.

But what right does she or any other provider of service have to be paid if you decide to back out before receiving an additional service? It happens every day in many different circumstances.
* I call the plumber to come and fix the sink and toilet. He fixes the sink, but before he gets to the toilet I check and the toilet is working fine. Should I pay for fixing the toilet?
* I make an appointment to see my physician to take out my appendix, but upon checking he sees no reason to take out, and leaves it up to me to decide if I want to have the operation. Should I pay for the appendix removal or just for the office visit?
* I leave my keys in my car, get locked out and call a locksmith to pick the lock. But as he arrives, I manage to open it with a coat hanger. Should I pay him for the service call or also for picking the lock?

We pay for services that we receive and do not pay for services that we do not receive. In everyday life we would never put up with this sh*t, but in an FKK club we should, because the service provider is a naked woman and we're ashamed that we're in a pay for sex environment?

If I ask for CIM, and she gives me a BBBJ, but I don't come, she is not entitled to the CIM bonus, since I did not come in her mouth. She is entitled to payment for the standard service that she provided, assuming that she did provide at least the minimal level of service that could be expected at an FKK club. And, apparently, some of the Palace SP even have a problem with that.