FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Hessen Bub]

Before I realised it I was joined by a young girl who looked Korean but later told me that she's from Kazakhstan.

Dinara?

Hessen Bub

[Jackyo]

I tipped her generously and told her I'd DEFINITELY be back....

If the girls here are spoiled, its because some of the customers (not all of them but some of them) spoil them. This only raises their expectations.

Mostly its the tourists who do the tipping so guess what: if you come across as a tourist, you are targeted for the aggressive upsell.

That first Brazilian chick you had probably started out innocently in the profession and then she came to understand the psychology of the upsell. Now look at her: she provides bare minimum services and you have to give in to her upsell so she puts in an effort.

The way to avoid rocking the boat is not to tip but to ask for extra time or for extra services. Or bring a small token gift the next time you return.

[Priamos]

Last week I visited the Palace for the first time in my life. By this I mean, not only was it the first time in F.am.M, it was the first time I visited a German FKK club. It was a funny and enjoyable experience, but one thing that really surprised me (and upon re-reading some of the postings here I see that maybe it shouldn't have...) was the incredible diversity in quality between providers. The hostess at the entrance who took my 90 euros even tried to warn me - or guard herself against future complaints - telling me in passing "when you pick a girl, do remember to ask her what services are included".

I went there around lunchtime, which apparently quite a few local businessmen do as well for it was packed with both girls and punters. I took my time and did a bit of sauna and jacuzzi before getting around to the action. Unlike similar clubs in other countries the girls are apparently not allowed to follow you into the water or the sauna; they only hawk around the bar and in the cinema.

In the end I went to the bar, ordered a softdrink and smiled to a hourglass-shaped woman in her mid-twenties who promptly joined me. She turned out to be from Brazil (or so she said) and offered me a standard half hour for 50 euros. I liked the look of her big bust and rounded hips and so accepted. This was a mistake. As soon as we were in our room she told me flatly "if you pay 100 euros I can stay for an hour and make it real nice for you". Huh? I was sortof planning to pay extra for premium services, but under the circumstances I was not going to: giving in to this kind of pressure rarely produces anything other than additional demands. I told her, no, just 1/2 hour - let's get on with it. After about 8 minutes BJ (uncovered to give her her due) she let me come on top of her, but with her hand between her legs to prevent deep penetration. As I found this a bit offputting I asked her to ride me instead, which she did - with all signs of annoyance and making a maximum effort to avoid touching me. When in the end I protested mildly, she exploded: "So much work for 50 euros! Who do you think you are?" I replied mildly that I'm the guy who just paid for half an hour and we've spent less than fifteen minutes here, but... "you want good service, you pay extra!" My response: "we're not discussing price here..." at which point she interrupted with rising hysteria "Oh YES, we ARE!". OK, what can one say? Apparently the "half hour" does not mean 30 minutes, but is rather a shorthand for basic service. How basic is left for the girl to decide. I may also suspect that my "Brazilian cutie" despises the clients more than most working girls: as I later noticed she spent most of her time in the club canoodling the other women.

After this experience I almost gave up, but in the end went into the cinema where they were showing one of these silly films about male strippers and a female audience misbehaving. Two couples were making an exhibitionist stunt on the floor which was quite funny to watch. Before I realised it I was joined by a young girl who looked Korean but later told me that she's from Kazakhstan. Would I like her to join me? I still felt a bit bruised and was about to say no when the threw herself on me and started to administer French kisses and lick my face. Wow, what a change from the first provider who'd probably have scratched out my eyes if I'd tried to kiss her! It took me about 20 seconds to get "excited" and 2 minutes to decide that this was an opportunity not to be missed. She took me to a room and I forced myself not to offer her extra money: now I wanted to see for comparison how much she was willing to work for a standard fare. A lot, it turned out. She continued kissing and caressing and allowed me to insert my fingers anywhere I liked (another no-no with the first girl), then progressed to a very enthousiastic uncovered 69. When I finally came on top of her I only had the stamina of a herring left. She moved her lower body frantically back and forth and made all the inciting noises she could think of; unsurprisingly I exploded inside her after a couple of minutes. I tipped her generously and told her I'd DEFINITELY be back....

...and I will. I'll be back to her, and back to FKK Palace. But I have learned to pick carefully - even at this "upmarket" place which I would previously have thought maintain certain minimum standards.

[Jackyo]

Yeah, it was my last day at Frankfurt and I will not be back for at least a few more months. I actually may not even see this girl ever again if it is a temporary job for her. But I'll take the advice!

.. I've mailed her stuff from overseas after the fact.

I simply address it to her care of the club.

When I return, I go find her and it guarantees that she remembers me and we take off from where we left off.

[Hejasverige]

Omg, I hope it's not the same brand the London brothel used.

Durex, euroglider and condomi is perfect for my size. The UK brands I'm aware of are Trojan and Mates.

I will bring a packet of my own and see what happen.

As far as I know Palace is open every day.

They use London brand condoms. My opinion is they are awful. Bring your favorite and clear it with the girl in advance. I've had them refuse mine because I didn't clear it up front.

[Chicafan]

Does anyone know if the Palace is open every day? I don't wanna travel all the way and find out it's closed for refurbishment or anything like that :/

Which condom brand do they use at the Palace?

As far as I know Palace is open every day.

They use London brand condoms. My opinion is they are awful. Bring your favorite and clear it with the girl in advance. I've had them refuse mine because I didn't clear it up front.

[Hejasverige]

Hello chaps!

I'm going to Frankfurt soon and spending a few minutes per day to do some research. I want to be prepared and know as many do's and don'ts as possible.

I'm coming over from Sweden to "relax" for a few days and just try out the facilities in Frankfurt My first question is:

Does anyone know if the Palace is open every day? I don't wanna travel all the way and find out it's closed for refurbishment or anything like that :/

Which condom brand do they use at the Palace? I went to a brothel in London once and they had some kind of strange condom model that didn't fit my not so big weener. Damn, that was embarrassing.

Btw, have you seen this clip from Artemis, haha that little blondie...omg...
http://www.bravo.co.uk/sincities/ep08.html

[Atooz]

How about bringing her a token gift the next time you see her? A box of Schokolade, z. B.

Its a slippery slope. Don't grease it unnecessarily.

Yeah, it was my last day at Frankfurt and I will not be back for at least a few more months. I actually may not even see this girl ever again if it is a temporary job for her. But I'll take the advice!

[Jackyo]

Good advice often given by the regulars of this forum but, hey, the guy said that it was 4am and the place was closing.... How can he book extra time or ask for extra services then?

How about bringing her a token gift the next time you see her? A box of Schokolade, z. B.

Its a slippery slope. Don't grease it unnecessarily.

[GandJim]

If you were particularly pleased book extra time with her or ask for extra services.

Good advice often given by the regulars of this forum but, hey, the guy said that it was 4am and the place was closing.... How can he book extra time or ask for extra services then?

[Jackyo]

One more question: How do you all feel about tipping the girls for great services? On my second visit to Palace a week later, I had another great session with Kittie. She was licking my little Panda right up till 4am, the time when Palace closes. I had to stop her to tell her that it was 4am. She was just such a sweetie that I spontaneously tipped her 20 US dollar on top of the 50E I paid her (I was running low on Euro). I am afraid that the practice of tipping the girls may eventually evolve into some kind of entitlement.

... you will know that tipping is not recommended.

Yes, it will evolve into a form of entitlement.

If you were particularly pleased book extra time with her or ask for extra services.

Do not... repeat: do not tip! Do not rock the boat!

Its a slippery slope which none of us will be able to crawl out of.

[Atooz]

You describe yourself as a victim (of her game). I don't believe you! I'm pretty sure you forgot to mention something important here...!

for me it sounds as if YOU started the same thing again boy...
If you want to rest, rest, don't kiss or try to disturb women at work!

If you want to play with women without wanting to pay anything, play your games outside, o.k.
But why do it in a brothel? You want to find out, if you're considered by *****s to be a smart guy? You need this?
Because you visited them at their working p(a)lace, for sure you will end up entangled in "their game" and you have to pay!

IMHO, in your case the management took a wise decision.
You poor victim you! :-)

Without passing judgement on Rexon's situation (I was not there and don't know what actually transpired), Nick the G actually brought up something interesting. I think it is possible that the Management would side with the girls simply because they know that some customers do take advantage of the girls from time to time. And if you are a new face, they will probably not give you the benefit of the doubt.

At the end of the evening when I was leaving the club, the same manager that Valentina and I talked to earlier in the day was at the front desk and she was nice and asked me how everything was. I don't know if she actually remembered me and tried to smooth things over after realizing she made a mistake from observing me and my mannerism during the course of the evening or that she was just being courteous to her customers. As I mentioned earlier, it did turn out to be a nice evening for me and I was feeling good and planning on returning in a few days. So, it didn't even occur to me to take advantage of the opportunity to explain my situation to her again. I would the next time this occurs to me again though as I would like to give the management a chance to run their club in a more customer-friendly manner.

I'm sorry that my initial report evoked or brought back so much negative feelings/emotions against some of the girls and the club itself. Let's return to talking about the nice experiences and beautiful girls and start feeling good again! Attitude is everything.

One more question: How do you all feel about tipping the girls for great services? On my second visit to Palace a week later, I had another great session with Kittie. She was licking my little Panda right up till 4am, the time when Palace closes. I had to stop her to tell her that it was 4am. She was just such a sweetie that I spontaneously tipped her 20 US dollar on top of the 50E I paid her (I was running low on Euro). I am afraid that the practice of tipping the girls may eventually evolve into some kind of entitlement.

[Viscount]

Kind offer, my friend. But I prefer to spend my time chatting up the ladies, rather then having to argue with the managemnet and sharks over poor business practices.

I looked in on the place not long ago. With all due respect to HB and yourself, (both respected Gents, with valuable opinions) I stand by my assessment of the joint. And I think that the Roemers are NOT simply being bitchy Germans. Quality and service is off. The place ain't what it use to be and there does seem to be a domineering shark and scam mentality in most of the girls. Factor in management's "Wir haben kein Einfluss." mentality and I've got no use for the place. Best wishes to those of you who are patient enough to look for a diamond in the VERY rough.

BTW, Ortos; I am hoping that one of these days you will be able to accept my statement that it is NOT about the extra 10 fish on the entrance fee. However it has everything to do with finding the best line-up for my hard earned Euro.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Have to agree with the fact that the Palace has gone" down the nick" I first visited two or three years ago and thought it was the best place ever,then I went through a stage of going to Oase,the last few times in Europe,I have been to PHG and GT,and although the girls are not naked they seem much nicer and are certainly hotter,next week I intend to go to Ying Yang,to see what all the fuss is about, and considering I will be operating from Hahn this is a bit out of the way,but the last few visits to the Frankfurt clubs,has how can I put it,left me disappointed.

hope someone finds my views of interest.

Viscount.

[Ortos]

Kind offer, my friend. But I prefer to spend my time chatting up the ladies, rather then having to argue with the managemnet and sharks over poor business practices.

I looked in on the place not long ago. With all due respect to HB and yourself, (both respected Gents, with valuable opinions) I stand by my assessment of the joint. And I think that the Roemers are NOT simply being bitchy Germans. Quality and service is off. The place ain't what it use to be and there does seem to be a domineering shark and scam mentality in most of the girls. Factor in management's "Wir haben kein Einfluss." mentality and I've got no use for the place. Best wishes to those of you who are patient enough to look for a diamond in the VERY rough.

BTW, Ortos; I am hoping that one of these days you will be able to accept my statement that it is NOT about the extra 10 fish on the entrance fee. However it has everything to do with finding the best line-up for my hard earned Euro.

Cheers,

Dedalus

Well, dear friend, this is the only time I can remember where you actually stated the 10E increase was NOT a factor in your distinctly hostile (and possibly exagerated) stance against Palace. So one of those days has just arrived. If you say, the 10E is suddenly a non-factor, well, a salute, Don Corleone... and your last sentence about "finding the best line-up" for the Euro is one of the reasons I frequent Palace over other clubs...although I would add: your own recent comments about BHH has me quite inclined to revisit my favourite old club soon...

Oh and I highly doubt an experienced monger like you, Dedalus, would spend more time arguing at the front desk than he would flirting with the girls...you and many others would be able to pick out the bad apples from this barrel, just like all the other clubs. Each place has it's pluses and minus, but for me, Palaces +s out its negatives...I love this club! But, I admit, that all the RF guys might be "right" and I and a few other "eccentrics" might be way out on a limb...

Now Nick the G makes some good points about the lack of the bonus system, etc., and he does show the local perspective. But that is just what it is: a view from the local fishbowl. Now I and alot of other guys here, may not visit Palace or any other FKK more than 100x per annum. However I probably visit Palace, say, 20-odd times a year (only!!??). Now that is frequent enough to be noticed as a demi-Stamgast, ja? We still invest enough time and Eintritt Euros to see the place from a semi-local perspective too. And still for all it's flaws, I feel distinctly positive about Palace, not hostile towards it. I love this place...and all FKKs for that matter. Just love some more than others...at different times

Ortos

[NormanBrightside]

Let me take this moment to mention a Dominican named Patricia. She calls herself a Panamanian but I doubt it. She is AWFUL. I could not stand the session and wanted to tell her how bad she was. If I see her again and she approaches me I will. I don't like to be mean but when a girl is intentionally bad it's fair game.

Interesting I know that she get's a lot of bad reports. I had a pretty good session with her a year back, ended up taking her number and saw her a few times outside Palace for free. Wasn't exactly girlfriend and boyfriend but became a little like that so I ended it (plus to be honest the sex was ok but nothing special). Have seen her every time I've been back to Palace (but no sessions) which is kind of awkward but I guess an occupational hazard. The weirdest thing however is that I ended up having a session with her sister who also works there from time to time. I didn't realize at the time but saw a very cute Dominica who seemed kind of familiar. I couldn't place her face but as she seemed to recognise me I went to talk to her and ended up having a session. It was only afterwards when she started dropping hints about Lisa that it dawned on me that I recognised her from a photo Lisa had shown me. This was later confirmed to me by Lisa. She didn't seem to mind as I guess it's really only about money at the end of the day in the Palace. Just goes to show that the FKK's can be a strange and parallel universe.