FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Dedalus]

Actually I agree and normally I would be a hard-ass and bring the problem to the attention of the manager. There few a few things to take into consideration in this case:

I have known Angelique for many years and, with a few small exceptions, I have always had a good relationship with her.

It was clear that she had been drinking a fair amount of Sekt and I think that this probably affected her judgment. That fact that she was drunk, or at the very least “tipsy to the max” would have been a big factor in the manager’s decision had I been inclined to take it that far. I am not sure how that would have affected her status there, but I did not want to take any chance that she would be bounced.

Guys, like I said in my post, it was difficult for me to even share this experience. Angelique is a well-known FKK star and has deservedly been praised on all of the major forums. I have noticed changes in her attitude and I think it is fair for me to warn everyone to be on the lookout for certain signals with her. I am sure that she is still a great experience for some people and if any one wants to enjoy her, then you have my best wishes.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Optimist]

I did my first visit to Palace and did not like it. Sorry for all those members who love Palace but I comment only on what I saw

I went on a Sunday midday after visiting Oase and before visiting World. The men to women ratio was about equal (in Oase it was 2 women to each man and in World 6 women to each man). there were 8 girls.

None of the girls seemed at all interested in approaching the men. Looks wise they were so so.

I went to a room with Anisa of german and lebanese descent. She was soso -she did not kiss and announced that she did not like men. The session was half hour and no great experience.

I saw the staff shout (and I mean really shout) horribly at a worker. And I also heard of a monger who had been cheated by a worker there. I really got the impression that the management did not treat the girls well and that the girsl did not value the customers

I was very disappointed given all the good reports of Palace. So I will never (it was that bad) go back and will stick to Oase and World (on which I will report as I get time)

Shiatsu

[Ortos]

Novize,

What you say is absolutely correct in a general sense: Bring the matter up to the reception; and often the girl will back down before you arrive at the management's door., esp. if she is genuinely trying to take advantage of you or rip you off.

However, I don't believe that these matters are always 100% black-and-white. I can think of a few scerarios and situations in which one might choose to just cut your losses and hand a girl a lesser amount, like 20E instead of 50E, rather than go to the managment. This is not necessarily bargaining: It is dealing with the "nuisance factor." It's like settling out of court, even though you are innocent, to avoid the nuisance.

Let's not forget that there are lots of scenarios out there and different people will tend to deal with a given situation in a different way. Some guys are shy, some don't possess the personality or lingusitic skills to march the girl up to the reception, others maybe are too stoned or just cannot be bothered or would rather pay a small amount than cause, what in their eyes is, a confrontation. In other cases, maybe some guys are not 100% certain about the exact time, but they just "feel" they are being taken advantage of. Whatever.

With you and me, maybe it's a matter of principle. But not every guest at an FKK would see it the way you and I do.

In the end, it is up to each individual to deal with these situations as he/she thinks is best. However, you advice is very correct: In most cases one should go to the reception desk, or at least threaten to do so. It depends on the situation and the individuals involved.

But the big question (for me) is whether of not there is a growing trend in the three FFM clubs to try to suck extra money out of guests. This again may go back to some sort of profiling by certain girls who would prey on men they perceive as foreigners (i.e. non-German) and/or men who they perceive as being new and inexperienced to the FKK scene. I myself feel it is not a simple coincidence that incidents of girls trying to over-charge are suddenly becoming more and more numerous. Am I the only one who has experienced this lately?

Ortos

[Novize]

Why bargain?

Imho the best way to deal with these situations is the following:

Don´t pay more than the common rate in the club. If a girl isn´t happy with that, offer to her in a friendly way to discuss the issue at the reception. Most probably the girl will be happy with the going rate then.

If not, make use of the receptionist´s moderation! Be friendly and calm during the discussion, but also insistent. Accept the fair judgement of the receptionist, who will most probably follow your good line of argument (if you feel treated unfair by the club-management, you should avoid the club and go somewhere else).

If you want, you can compromise now. Tell the girl friendly, that your dissent is solved now and that you both know how to handle things in the future and offer to share the losses.

Acting like this should assure that

- the club-management gets to know what happens in their club and
- they can react

before these things are published via internet. If necessary, they can organize a general briefing for all girls.

- You showed clearly that you are not easy to rip-off, but fair to the girl.

- You still have the chance to join the girl in the future – next time most probably without the need to discuss money issues afterwards.

Have fun,

Novize

[Wobby]

I would like to know if this is th same Angelique that was there a few years ago before the new building.

I think it was about 4 years ago I met an Angelique there who had loads of curly brown hair and also a bone that stuck out of the small of her back. she also said that she came from siberia (I think). Anyway the session was really cold but she looked fantastic, probably one of the most beautiful women I've seen in such a club.
Then a couple of years ago I saw her again, I thought that it was the same woman but I wasn't sure, but with her looks it was worth the risk. Then from the start she was fantastic and did everything you could wish for and more.

But I recognised again the bone sticking out and so it was clear it was the same woman. I have since then had a couple more sessions with her and it was always fantastic. I hope it isn't the same woman that everybody is now complaining about.
The other strange thing which I noticed was she also disappeared for a couple of minutes just before every session, and this week I had Cecille for the second time, she does this as well. So where do they go and what do they do?

Any ideas?

Has anybody any feedback on Victoria the red head, she seemed to be having a lot of fun with a guy in the cinema, she also looks very nice.

[Ortos]

Dedalus,

Thanks for another sterling report. And esp. for up-dating us on your incident with Angelique. Way back in 2002 (or was it 2001?), she was my second or third experience at Atlantis. I sessioned with her twice I think, then moved on to other girls. At that time she was younger and had not yet reached the star popularity at Atlantis that she later did; so she was less full of herself, perhaps less cocky and less confident. Anyway, when she would see me, she would try to talk me into sessioning with her, but with a wry smile we both knew it wouldn't happen so it was no big deal.

Now she still recognises me at Palace, but doesn't really try to talk to me anymore, but we still say hello to each other. Recently, I've seen her at Palace on an occassional basis, something akin to Marina's appearance, say, once or twice a week sometimes, then a week or two not there, then she might be there several days on the trot. She still has steady customers some days, and I've seen her in a room with a guy for several hours and I've seen her walking away from the pay lockers cluching two or three green 100E notes in her hand as she retreated to the women's locker area.

But your description of what happened last Monday brings to my mind some general thoughts:

During the first quarter of 2005, on my occassional visits to FKKs round Frankfurt, I have noticed a distinct and disturbing trend amongst many, but not all, girls: to try to round up session time to higher figures and generally try to suck money out of you at any cost. I have documented a few of the cases that I have directly experienced, starting with Czech Andrea at World, a few cases at Palace and at Oase. What is particularly disturbing is that this trend seems to be all pervasive and even affects girls with whom I have multi-sessioned with alot over the past year or so.

So what gives? My instincts tell me something rotten is afoot. I see signs of this attitude growing. It is occurring more frequenly and more widely than it used to. And it may prey on the less-experienced punters more than those of us know what is going on. Clearly, Dedalus, you knew exactly what Angelique was doing and you, just like me, stared wide-eyed as you watched an old "girlfriend" there, as it happened a legend, just spit in your face and say: "You know, I'd rather have the extra 20E than keep you as a repeat customer." I mean, basically that is what she is saying...When you see formerly top acts like Andrea at World and Angelique at Palace...and there are others as well... sink to these levels, one must really scratch the head and think a bit.

But here's something that might be a bit revealing: At least some of these girls are willing to bargain! So the technique you used with Angelique (to give her 20 instead of 50E) is a good compromise, esp. if you, as happened to me in a recent FKK situation, have written the girl off in your head as a dead cause, and don't want to go through the hassle and spotlights of taking the matter up to the reception desk. Last month, when a girl I had previously respected started to pull this, and I decided it was better to just cut my losses with this girl rather than get into some kind of confrontation, I said to her: "Look if you want 50E, let's go talk to the manager about it; but I'll give you an extra 20E just to end the discussion here..." The offered 20-note was snatched out of my extended fingers in a heartbeat. Case closed! But a shame, another great one gets scratched off the list for the future...

One further point: If this is happening on a widespread basis, and if some of the girls do talk to each other about specific male clients, it is good to stand up to one girl, so that she might report back to other girls in her clique: "Don't bother trying it with this guy, he's too sharp, he knows what is going on..." Or the opposite: "See that guy over there? He's an easy mark! I just sucked an extra 50E from him and he didn't even bat an eye-lash!"

So be aware of what is going on and act accordingly. The above comments are not restricted to Palace or any club in particular. They apply generally.

Ortos

[RedDog]

i had a similar expearance. I used to session with here every time and never had a bad expearace often spent 1 hour with her. then one day i was with a different girl and we spent a few hours together. then ANGELIQUE gave me some shit about blonds i took it in good fun. then she got agressive and pissy i just told her she lost a customer for life. (it will be hard to hold out on that as her sessions where always good but there are a lot of good providers) she did not liek that and walked off n a huff. Maybe it was a bad day. it was like more than a year ago if i ever make it ot palace maybe i will give her a try again. but i doubt it as a other fav of mine is working there i think.

[Tawan]

Most of the ladies were very good looking. I picked Linda, 25 years old, from the Seychelles (most likely Brazil - but who cares?).

Musta,

I agree with you about her great attitude and service, but Linda is not Brazilian. She has a pretty french accent and speaks french (actually creole). So we can probably believe her when she says she's from the Seychelles.

Wonderful girl, if you're nice to her you can really get her going. My 2nd time with her, she spent 10 minutes patiently instructing me on how correctly to administer DATY.

[Iseeu]

Dedalus,
Just wanted to thank you for a great set of informative, well-written, and entertaining posts from your recent trip.

[Dedalus]

I have always thought that FKK Mondays were a pretty good deal. Although the line ups are often a little depleted, there are fewer customers than usual and in the big Frankfurt clubs there are often enough top-acts present to make a visit very worthwhile. Usually the atmosphere is a little more relaxed than on a weekend or even a late week visit. I am also fond of Thursdays since the line ups are even better.

As fate would have it, I had a choice of spending the evening at a sauna club last Monday night before taking an early flight, or crashing at a Hotel. Now, I ask you: How many hotels can offer what the Palace offers for 65 Euros? Yes, one has to “check out” pretty early, but that would have been the case for me anyway. The choice was pretty clear to me.

Arrived at the Palace 9:30. It looked like a typical Monday. There were indeed a number of guests, however nothing compared to the previous weekend’s wild Messe chaos. A number of fine ladies were present: Both Dianas, Dilara, Shasha, Jessy, Angelique, etc. Not an All-Pro line up but still a pretty good team. Both Dianas are looking pretty good! I was very close to booking the smaller of the two. I know that her reputation is not great, but I have had a few good sessions with her in the past and she is also looking really fine; much better now than back then. At the very least it could be a good “Optikfick”. Sasha from the Ukraine is also one who looks very intriguing. I wanted to book her on Friday, but she was “stehts besetzt”. I thought that this might be a good night to try out this Ukrainian nightingale. As I was lounged out on the smaller swing sofa, both Sasha and her blonde friend walked by and caught my eye. Instead of Sasha coming over her friend ELENA (another one) came over and introduced herself. Even though I was initially interested in her friend, something about Elena was very captivating. She is a cute blonde who reminds me a little of Renee Zellweger. She is also from the Ukraine and sports a lotus tattoo around her navel. I thought that she would be a good start to the evening.
In the room she gave a solid performance. Good BBBj and committing 69 with that fine body of hers was a major turn on. We explored three different positions; cowgirl, doggie and missionary which with her long sexy legs was a real delight. She did not kiss but that was ok with me.

There are better performers at Palace but Elena holds her own pretty well. I would take her up on a repeat session, maybe for a double pack session with Sasha

name: Elena
hair: Blond
size: ~ 1,65 m
figure: slender, b-breasts Good legs
origin: Ukraine
born: ~ 1984 ?
tattoos/piercing: Lotus Tattoo around her navel
service: bbbj, GFE
other: often wears a light blue wrap around her waist
location: Palace

Later at the bar I ran into to ANGELIQUE. It has been several months since I have had a session with her. Not sure why really, other than just not feeling the right “click” with her. Also usually when I am at the Palace, then Marina is my number one priority. Angelique has observed this and a few time in the past has berated me for only liking blondes now. Monday she started in on me again. Usually it is a playful chiding and on this night it started out so as well. I decided that renewing my relationship with this Siberian tigress might be fun. She has always been a treat to be with, even if she does like to push an hour session on me.

Before we went off to find a room we chatted a bit at the bar. I got the distinct impression that she was a little high on something. As she got closer I could smell the Sekt. This would be interesting. In the room she started talking again and being a little careless with her cigarette. I still have the light burn mark on my leg. That’s ok, for accidents can happen. We eventually got down to business and it was a typical Angelique session, despite her inebriation. We finished with about 5 min. left and she told me that we would to an hour session. She did not ask, but told me. I smiled and gently turn her down; telling her that the night was still young, and we might see each other again later. She said Ok and she went for the cigarettes and started talking again. I started to don my towel and tried to ease her to the door but she was determined to keep on talking and to finish her smoke. When she finished she got up and said ‘ich muss aufs toilette” and disappeared for and 3-4 minutes. By now we were about 40 minutes in the room and I was getting a bad feeling. She came back and before she had a chance to light up again or start talking again I asked her “Sollen wir jetzt gehen?” and we headed off to the lockers. I really was quite surprised when, before I even put the key in the lock to retrieve my wallet she announced that ‘ich kreige hundred von dir”. I gave her 50 but she was pretty insistent, and said that we were in the room for 50 minutes and that she was getting 100 euros. I have known Angelique for quite some time now and felt pretty comfortable telling her that she surely knew that this was NOT right. Then she started to negotiate. ‘Dann gibt mir noch zwanzig”. I asked her if she really wanted to do this. She did not seem to want to back down even after I told her that this was going to have consequences. Again, she did not back down. I sighed and gave her the extra 20. She looked at me and asked if the 20 was really that important to me. I told her that I was disappointed in her and that there were other girls working there who I expected this from, but not her. She tried to make it up to me by buying me a pack a smokes but for me, the damage was done. Again, she wanted to know why 20 euros meant so much to me, and again I told her that it had nothing to do with the money but with the principle. She did not seem to understand and stormed off in a huff.

This was a tough one. This is Angelique. Everybody’s wonder-girl, Miss Roemerforum and everything. The lady working the bar near the entrance saw our confrontation and asked me if everything was ok. I said it was fine and not to worry about it. I think that she knew Angelique was a bit soused. Fazit: This was my last session with the Siberian tigress. What a shame…

As I was sitting at the front bar nursing a coffee and thinking that the night was a write-off, then I got a huge surprise. From around the corner walked a familiar face: LAURA (formerly ALT) from Kazakhstan. This beauty, often referred to as “the Ivory Princess” was quite a site! I always thought that she was a stunner during her Atlantis days, but now she looks even better. She has a trimmer waist than before and she has dyed her hair red. That wonderful ass is still an eye-grabber and those perky tits are to die for. I needed a short pause after the Angelique session, but I already knew who was going to save my evening.

After crashing for and hour on the large swing, I went off in search on the Ivory Princess. Luckily I did not have to search long and I caught her coming from the locker area. She has been out of the business for about a year or so and I was not sure that she would recognize me. Happily she did and after a bit of small talk, I whisked her off to a room. Gentleman, I know that everyone has different tastes but I can’t understand why anyone would not find this girl lovely. If you like natural breasts, great legs and a fine hour-glass figure, then this lady is for you. Her service is outstanding. Great BBBJ and 69 thrown in. As she sat on my face for the 69 she would often tit-fuck me which was OH SO GEIL!!!!
We performed the act in all the standard positions finishing with doggie. She moans so sexily during sex. Friends, this was the best session that I had over the long weekend and that is saying something.

name: Laura (Now Vivian)
hair: dark Red, shoulder length
size: ~ 1,60 m
figure: slender, C -breasts Hour-glass What an ass!
origin: Kazakhstan
born: ~ 1980 ?
tattoos/piercing: none?
service: bbbj, GFE, First-Class
location: Palace, (says that she will also be working at CoLA in Augsburg)

By this time it was nearly closing time and time for me to head toward my flight. I felt great and ready for a long rest on my flight. I am sure that I had a big smile on my face while snoozing on the plane. Thanks to Laura/Vivian, what was shaping up to be a disappointing evening turned out to be a majestic one.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[Musta Pekka]

Went to Palace on a Monday - which is supposed to be a very slow day. Not very slow in my opinion, as there were about 10-15 women vs. 20-25 men.

Most of the ladies were very good looking. I picked Linda, 25 years old, from the Seychelles (most likely Brazil - but who cares?). Rating her looks to be 7 (face 8, body 6)

A very GFE experience - not rushed at all - good sex with CIM as finishing. Paid 100€ - worth every € !

This was my first time to Palace - I was not disappointed - I will certainly come back ASAP !

[Ortos]

I know this girl too! Not from sessions, but first from Atlantis, where she would often solicit me for sessioning with her (I always passed) and at Atlantis, where she just smiles at me now, and does not pursue the chase. I could have sworn her name at Atlantis was "Gina." She claimed to be from Italy, I believe Sicily, but she speaks German like a native and probably has the native German mind-set as well.

I saw her working Palace almost every day I visited three weeks ago. I think she is now a lot thinner than she appears in the photos posted just below, but I swear that is the girl. The red-dyed hair is fairly new. She used to have dark brown hair at Atlantis.

[Hessen Bub]

Biene is her name, I guess. Have a look at the picture. She looks better than you might think when seeing the pictures.

http://www.the-palace.de/pics/girls/227/l.jpg
http://www.the-palace.de/pics/girls/228/l.jpg

Hessen Bub

[Dedalus]

Chivaz,

Volltreffer!!!! Thats her. Good call!

Thanks,

Dedalus

[Henio]

Hi Ded,

Here is a wild guess:

There is this girl that used to work at Atlantis and now works at Palace. She claims (at least when at Atlantis) to be from Palermo, Sicily. She has a rather long brownish/red hair, the height fits. The face description is debateble although we can of course have different taste. She has a tattoo of rose (or was it devil...don't remember) on her right but cheek. I remember her speaking good German (at least much better than mine).

Had a session with her at Atlantis spring 2003. Session was ok until I came doing doggy and she got startled. Turns out the condom had broken and neither of us noticed until she felt the cum. She offers Anal. Sure was glad at the time I declined that offer. I have spoken to her a few times since then and always have a good time talking to her, but never went again. Tell her that she and I equals bad luck :-)

Friend had a session with her at Atlantis and gave her good marks for being fun in the room.

There is a picture of her on the "Girls" session on Palace web site under the name "Biene".

Sorry for cluttering up the board with something that might not be beneficial to anyone.

Chivaz