FKK Palace - Frankfurt

[Mr Ho]

If you read Lanthano's Oase post today you'll see he was also subected to this on our outing in Oase last Thursday. I get why 50/30 is not attractive to the girls. The truth is that you don't really see that price anywhere with quality in the rest of Europe. UK (London) is minimum 150/ hour. Manchester is less but the LU options are poor (not as bad as London where its escorts only). Spain: Madrid (Vive) - best club in the World for me but 260 per hour now. Diana Plus is great value at 100/ hour but a lot of girls there now want 150. Factory Air 150/ hour. Malaga: Scandalos moved prices up recently to 220/ hour now back to 200. Estark remains great value at 150. Fontana near Algeciras is 180/ hour. Globe in Zurich is 240/ CHF / hour. Artemis Berlin 120/ hour basic service and a lot of upsell (though I happen to love the club).

So you can see why finally the girls in Hesse's are getting to wanting 150/ hour for full service!



You generally get what you pay for in life. Time for the Hessen clubs to set some proper policies. In all of them. As for making you divert to NRW I'm afraid I'm not on that page. Oceans is cold to me though I like the food and the layout. I will not return to the cancer lounge at Living Room as I prefer to stay alive. Samya is fun and I actually like the vibe at Mondial. But overall NRW just does not match up to the nudity in Hessen.

We had it lucky till recently. I discovered FKK in 2009 and for few years, 50 euro 30 min good enough session was possible, it was golden era, but now we got to face the reality of negotiating each thing you want to do in room or it can end up as an extra LOL. What was normal before is no longer normal in some FKK. NRW, service is still there.

[Mr Ho]

I will tell you soon my friend!

Good luck and enjoy!

[BigBuddy69]

If I recall the old 50/25 rule in Samya going up to standard 50/50 when Oceans opened.

Actually you don't remember so well because Samya was the last of the big NRW clubs to go the standard 50/50 and it was a few years after Oceans opened. Maybe you can afford to pay 100/30 min but me I can't. As long as your price policies stay in Hessen it's fine for me, but don't bring them in NRW please.

[PayForIt]

The scale of upsell, hear me out LOL. Man, upsell is becoming hardcore that you have to check every single moves you make in room LOL! Seriously, it is getting too much now that, I get tired in some clubs with such tendency, which make me buy ticket to NRW region where upsell is more mild or none.

If you read Lanthano's Oase post today you'll see he was also subected to this on our outing in Oase last Thursday. I get why 50/30 is not attractive to the girls. The truth is that you don't really see that price anywhere with quality in the rest of Europe. UK (London) is minimum £150/ hour. Manchester is less but the LU options are poor (not as bad as London where its escorts only). Spain: Madrid (Vive) - best club in the World for me but 260 per hour now. Diana Plus is great value at 100/ hour but a lot of girls there now want 150. Factory Air 150/ hour. Malaga: Scandalos moved prices up recently to 220/ hour now back to 200. Estark remains great value at 150. Fontana near Algeciras is 180/ hour. Globe in Zurich is 240/ CHF / hour. Artemis Berlin 120/ hour basic service and a lot of upsell (though I happen to love the club).

So you can see why finally the girls in Hesse's are getting to wanting 150/ hour for full service!

I just do not know why the clubs do not tell their customers that prices have increased. I recall the old 50/25 rule in Samya going up to standard 50/50 when Oceans opened. Very sad but it happens. Whilst I fully accept that without a stated policy increase it would be possible to still track down some girls doing everything for 50/30, they will be the less good looking girls and that practice has always existed. It is why you can still get 100 in Diana Plus where most of them are not lookers, and the odd stunner wants to push to 150. But I'the rather the Globe policy be implemented. It's one price. Service is full on and excellent from all of the girls. I believe the club gets rid of girls who get several complaints about service. If we all knew we would have fantastic rooms time after time for 150/ hour in the big Hessen clubs I don't think many would mind so much. And making it 100/30 to encourage customers to take the hour is fine with me.

The current ambiguity on prices means far too much haggling which can ruin the mood anyway. I had the most amazing session with [CodeWord901] in Mainhattan last night. But only after she'the said "look. Its 150 for the hour and I promise you I will make you very happy. Let's not discuss money all night and I'm sure you can afford 150. If my service is poor we go to reception". I went to the room and genuinely would have paid 200/ hour for that service. Fantastic.

You generally get what you pay for in life. Time for the Hessen clubs to set some proper policies. In all of them. As for making you divert to NRW I'm afraid I'm not on that page. Oceans is cold to me though I like the food and the layout. I will not return to the cancer lounge at Living Room as I prefer to stay alive. Samya is fun and I actually like the vibe at Mondial. But overall NRW just does not match up to the nudity in Hessen.

[Member #4636]

Not for the Palace thread. And I will report fully in Mainhattan. But was at Mainhattan tonight and my policy of 100 for full service in an hour failed miserably. For basic service the girls would agree 100/ hour but if I wanted DFK / BBBJ / DATY. It was 150 hour or 100/30 minutes (which made the hour sensible). So you are right. Things have changed and I too only go for top lookers unless someone really strikes a chord / chemistry.

If you go for 100/ hour full service and especially of you are looking for top lookers your chances to find what you are looking for are less than 10 %. At least for clubs like palace and manhattan.

You don't want to waste your time by been rejected all the time because you will be pissed of and go to the kino for jerking yourself off LOL LOL.

I know this before going and because of the service I want (always BBBJ, DATY, CIM at least) ,100 is the standard price for an hour or less.

100 -hour for that, you have chances 20-30 % in these clubs. If you offer 150 e then you are there, your chances increase to 90 %. So you end up saying 150 full service but forget anal of course.

30 min sessions I don't like because I not only don't enjoy what I want but because there will be a stress around to be in time.

[ExpatLover]

Not for the Palace thread. And I will report fully in Mainhattan. But was at Mainhattan tonight and my policy of 100 for full service in an hour failed miserably. For basic service the girls would agree 100/ hour but if I wanted DFK / BBBJ / DATY. It was 150 hour or 100/30 minutes (which made the hour sensible). So you are right. Things have changed and I too only go for top lookers unless someone really strikes a chord / chemistry.

Impact from the new law, less newcomers, mostly Romanian girls who are controlling the ops in clubs, many girls don t want to get register to protect their private life and future some girls have got letters from the tax office at home where the name prostitution was written.

[Member #4636]

Let see, by the look of it, palace changed to interior that look identical set up as Artemis main bar, I wonder how line up will changes.

I will tell you soon my friend!

[Mr Ho]

Not for the Palace thread. And I will report fully in Mainhattan. But was at Mainhattan tonight and my policy of 100 for full service in an hour failed miserably. For basic service the girls would agree 100/ hour but if I wanted DFK / BBBJ / DATY. It was 150 hour or 100/30 minutes (which made the hour sensible). So you are right. Things have changed and I too only go for top lookers unless someone really strikes a chord / chemistry.

The scale of upsell, hear me out LOL. Ok, once, I was so eager to negotiate about DFK and BBBJ and it was included just in 100 euro for one hour session, I was like, wow I got the fair deal as standard house price like how it is supposed to be, I am in room, I was happy with session with DFK BBBJ etc. And I was going to lick her pussy, then she hold her pussy and said, no, that is extra 50 euro LOL! Man, upsell is becoming hardcore that you have to check every single moves you make in room LOL!

Seriously, it is getting too much now that, I get tired in some clubs with such tendency, which make me buy ticket to NRW region where upsell is more mild or none.

[PayForIt]

I know the original house price, but that is no longer by the way, I only go for top lookers, so mostly it involve some upsell and I understand that to some extent, I give into 150 euro full package session for one hour, but if it is more, some other options has to be thrown in.

Not for the Palace thread. And I will report fully in Mainhattan. But was at Mainhattan tonight and my policy of 100 for full service in an hour failed miserably. For basic service the girls would agree 100/ hour but if I wanted DFK / BBBJ / DATY. It was 150 hour or 100/30 minutes (which made the hour sensible). So you are right. Things have changed and I too only go for top lookers unless someone really strikes a chord / chemistry.

[Mr Ho]

I don't really get all of this, and in particular 150 being a "mild upsell". The standard price is 50/30. We all know that girls do not want to honour that any longer. I can completely understand why not. It encourages guys (I'll confess I've been guilty of this) to bang a lot of girls for not a lot of cash. Sure there are girls in this club and others who will still give DFK / BBBJ and F&S for 50/30. They are unlikely to be top performers or lookers. They are girls who need to make the house fee. Or are genuinely just very generous. In this day and age I tend to think that paying a girl 50 euros for 30 minutes of unbridled banging away, DFK / BBBJ is asking a lot. I agree with one contributor. Just be honest on your website and on the door. Tell mongers the prices have changed. It's no longer 50/30. OR. Say it is that for a basic service. Which we all will understand to be (and they should say to be legally compliant) CBJ and sex.

I know the original house price, but that is no longer by the way, and I got lucky sometimes when I was not really mood to go to room because I just had session or for whatever reason, so I go just 50 euro and 30 min and wow the session was provided with full service even including rim job few times, but those sessions I can count in my almost 10 years in FKK.

I tend to go only for stunners mostly and look, some mongers claim they always get all for just 50 euro, but I do not think they get that from German table girls and friends in palace for example. I only go for top lookers, so mostly it involve some upsell and I understand that to some extent, I give into 150 euro full package session for one hour, but if it is more, some other options has to be thrown in.

I read some crazy prices in various threads like some girls asking for 300 euro or more for one hour etc. , but to me that is crazy upsell and I do not mind paying a bit more for doing something more for top lookers. It used to be so much more easier, but in this recent years, there tend to be more and more of price fixing among girls in near city clubs like palace.

If one want to get all for standard price of 50 euro as you say, almost only place you get that from most girls are NRW beside oceans. Palace and Artemis, but palace is the most up selling club of all FKK.

Let see, by the look of it, palace changed to interior that look identical set up as Artemis main bar, I wonder how line up will changes.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Thanks. You'll have a great time with Lanthano. He is superb company and good fun. And don't worry about the Mainhattan thing. It happens. In fact, having seriously wanted to go to World all day today, work took over and I'm typing this from the bloody hotel room in central FRA. So, I am going to risk another shot at Mainhattan tonight. Not on your recommendation at all but just to see. If it's awful I'll head back to Oase as there several there last night I'the have happily roomed with in addition to the two I did. I'm skipping Palace as my last two visits here were not that great.

I wish you a good time

Few there I really like, pull the names from the Mainhatten thread and maybe one you will fancy or maybe not, perhaps another. And if not I have heard from a few this week how good Oase is the pickings / value great as well. I love this time of year, w / o fail regardless of country or city or place always a great time to be a buyer. Has held true for my 25 years or so travelling locally and afar

Enjoy your trip and do not work to hard!

[PayForIt]

You would probably have more fun talking to me than with the Gypsies as I did that day talking to Lanthano was more fun than the Sharks. He too has some interesting theories and things he implements, different than mine in some regards but we both get from one point to the next happily. Hope you two had fun and he didn't pull the local upsell on you if he did please warn me as I booked him on an upcoming trip !

Great post

Thanks. You'll have a great time with Lanthano. He is superb company and good fun. And don't worry about the Mainhattan thing. It happens. In fact, having seriously wanted to go to World all day today, work took over and I'm typing this from the bloody hotel room in central FRA. So, I am going to risk another shot at Mainhattan tonight. Not on your recommendation at all but just to see. If it's awful I'll head back to Oase as there several there last night I'the have happily roomed with in addition to the two I did. I'm skipping Palace as my last two visits here were not that great.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I don't really get all of this, and in particular 150 being a "mild upsell". The standard price is 50/30. We all know that girls do not want to honour that any longer. I can completely understand why not. It encourages guys (I'll confess I've been guilty of this) to bang a lot of girls for not a lot of cash. Sure there are girls in this club and others who will still give DFK / BBBJ and F&S for 50/30. They are unlikely to be top performers or lookers. They are girls who need to make the house fee. Or are genuinely just very generous. In this day and age I tend to think that paying a girl 50 euros for 30 minutes of unbridled banging away, DFK / BBBJ is asking a lot. I agree with one contributor. Just be honest on your website and on the door. Tell mongers the prices have changed. It's no longer 50/30. OR. Say it is that for a basic service. Which we all will understand to be (and they should say to be legally compliant) CBJ and sex.

But 150 is not a mild upsell. Most of the girls will automatically revert to a better than basic service, including DFK and BBBJ if you book them for one hour for standard 100 - not an upsell. Then CIM has always been 50 more. So one hour including BBBJ and DFK and CIM at 150 is no upsell. Not mild. Just not upsell at all.

I appreciate many girls want to push for 100/30 for BBBJ and DFK. I have a simple way around this which I deployed very happily twice in Oase last night. Lanthano will report far better than I on our mutual exploits. I say "we go to the room for one hour. I expect more than basic service. If I finish in 15 minutes I still pay 100. If I finish in 45 its 100. If I finish in 59 minutes and 59 seconds its 100" - I explain but will not elaborate as its obvious from the above. I am yet to have a single girl refuse this. It means you get all of the services, for max one hour, for 100. No upsell. Standard price. Only difference is that whereas in days gone by you could stipulate 50/30 now you don't get much for that. So to take it to 100 and buy the extra hour and guaranteed full service works. Most girls are confident they will get you over the line inside 30 minutes. It needs management. One of the girls was clever enough last night to ask me how many rooms I'the had that day. She was assessing the likelihood of getting an early finish!

I was going to quote some parts here I agreed with but upon completion of a double read there is not one thing I disagree with. Although I don't go to the Palace, I am aware of no fewer than 5 girls who work Mainhatten and Palace bouncing back and forth and the pricing is the same. Yes, there is always a ' cheater' to be found as well who will break the Mafia rules and take a 50 or even do extras on 100 rooms others won't.

Go to the room for 100, make them happy and yes, can twist some things back in the buyer's favor. I have had some great 50's at Oase and Sharks but the better sessions I had at both those clubs were for 100 and for 100 at Mainhatten for me many of the sessions were just as good and equal in services to what I got for 100 at the others. I think whatever system you were working was similar to one I toy with. My two favs that carry around red towels are now giving up more in either time / services than they first did with no change in the 100.

Sometimes attitude can make or break a session, IMHO and for me (not telling other guys how to play their cards we all play out our own hands) if the girl knows she is headed to the room for 100 a much better attitude will be there in general and possibilities for enhancements there. I am not saying one can't find ' wedding nights' or ' wedding nights+FIV+ free Viagra' for 50 anymore but toss them 100 and work the best session you can is sometimes MY attitude. Works for me and that is all that matters.

Most of my Oase and Sharks sessions end up being 100 somehow how anyway with me ' upselling' myself, same as elsewhere when it comes time to ' Pay4 It' at the money boxes.

I must say this is an excellent post as most of yours are (here and in Spain.) I still feel bad about ' dispatching' you to Mainhatten and you walking out and I would make it up to you with 2-3 ' guaranteed not to fail Gypsy sessions' down the road but my gut is you would walk out cursing the club still feeling very dirty and cursing me out a second time !

You would probably have more fun talking to me than with the Gypsies as I did that day talking to Lanthano was more fun than the Sharks. He too has some interesting theories and things he implements, different than mine in some regards but we both get from one point to the next happily. Hope you two had fun and he didn't pull the local upsell on you if he did please warn me as I booked him on an upcoming trip !

Great post

[PayForIt]

200/ HR. I do not mind 150 euro mild upsell, but I mind 200 euro rip off, it is double the house price, if such thing exist or even ever really existed in palace LOL.

I don't really get all of this, and in particular 150 being a "mild upsell". The standard price is 50/30. We all know that girls do not want to honour that any longer. I can completely understand why not. It encourages guys (I'll confess I've been guilty of this) to bang a lot of girls for not a lot of cash. Sure there are girls in this club and others who will still give DFK / BBBJ and F&S for 50/30. They are unlikely to be top performers or lookers. They are girls who need to make the house fee. Or are genuinely just very generous. In this day and age I tend to think that paying a girl 50 euros for 30 minutes of unbridled banging away, DFK / BBBJ is asking a lot. I agree with one contributor. Just be honest on your website and on the door. Tell mongers the prices have changed. It's no longer 50/30. OR. Say it is that for a basic service. Which we all will understand to be (and they should say to be legally compliant) CBJ and sex.

But 150 is not a mild upsell. Most of the girls will automatically revert to a better than basic service, including DFK and BBBJ if you book them for one hour for standard 100 - not an upsell. Then CIM has always been 50 more. So one hour including BBBJ and DFK and CIM at 150 is no upsell. Not mild. Just not upsell at all.

I appreciate many girls want to push for 100/30 for BBBJ and DFK. I have a simple way around this which I deployed very happily twice in Oase last night. Lanthano will report far better than I on our mutual exploits. I say "we go to the room for one hour. I expect more than basic service. If I finish in 15 minutes I still pay 100. If I finish in 45 its 100. If I finish in 59 minutes and 59 seconds its 100" - I explain but will not elaborate as its obvious from the above. I am yet to have a single girl refuse this. It means you get all of the services, for max one hour, for 100. No upsell. Standard price. Only difference is that whereas in days gone by you could stipulate 50/30 now you don't get much for that. So to take it to 100 and buy the extra hour and guaranteed full service works. Most girls are confident they will get you over the line inside 30 minutes. It needs management. One of the girls was clever enough last night to ask me how many rooms I'the had that day. She was assessing the likelihood of getting an early finish!

[Member #4636]

Too bad you don't realize that 150/ h is already an upsell.

I have a different approach to ladies BB69.

150/ hour which includes BBBJ, DATY, CIM is not that bad in FKK market prices at least from what I have read about other clubs.

But it all has to do with the girl you chose, I have met some that I wouldn't go with them even if they paid me, I have also met some others that I wouldn't mind to give more to live an experience with them. It is all about value for money at the end of the day, of course I have my limits and don't want to be treated as a fool or sucker. But that is something only I can realise at the end and no one else.