Panama City

[Combo]

Yes indeed, it is interesting and true what you say. Next time I will do more research beforehand, and try out some of those cheaper places that the locals go to, as well! I do feel like I got beat out of $100-200, and that is upsetting, but I will try to get over it.

It's interesting to me how the gals did not seem to think (or care) if they might be perceived as greedy for asking for a propina! They don't really mind how they are perceived, do they? It's like they don't have strong self-awareness, or don't care! And to be fair, 2 of the gals did put in some effort. Like this one chica who got some weed out of her purse, and we smoked in the bathroom, with the fan on. She was cool.

But yeah, it pays to do the homework beforehand. I will definitely do that if I ever to go Asia. (I've never been! Yet!

It's a learning experience!

[Viva Chicas]

If the girl has had sex with 200 or 2,000+ guys does it matter? Once she takes a shower and washes her cuca it is as good as new.
I think it is just a mental game that guys play to pretend their puta is more innocent than another puta. To be the first of the day,
would be a worthy goal and that makes some sense. If you actually know the girl, and the lifestyle she lives, or if she has a Colombiano.
for a boyfriend living with her, it gives you better odds of getting a fresh cuca for that day.
Living in Panama has been a great advantage. I am actually friends with some of the girls and that gives you the key to knowing what,
actually goes on. Some things are just amazing and hard to believe. And everyday is a new adventure. The Colombianas are there to
make money, and no, they do not love you. Just enjoy it for what it is, a nice diversion from reality.

[Mfins]

I kind of go by the motto " If I didn't see it than it didn't happen" Meaning if I didn't see the girl leave with a guy or guys, and / or I have no first hand knowledge that the girl actually banged someone than my mind doesn't even think that the pro. Has been with multiple clients.

Now of course I realize I am just tricking my mind into thinking that way and rationally I realize the girl has had hundreds or thousands of clients in her life but its what keeps me playing this game we all enjoy.

Also, If I like the girl I tend to force my self to believe when a girl tells me " I have only been working here two weeks or, I have never done this before". It makes things in my mind better.

No guy wants to think about or know that a girl has taken 1000's of dicks in her life when he is laying pipe.

Just have to trick your mind somehow.

[Dickhead]

On the one hand, if you are worried about how many other guys your hooker has fucked, mongering may not be for you. On the other hand, you'll probably get over it. I knew a gringo in Argentina who used to take his own sheets to the private apartments. He got over it.

[El Patron24]

Hey, now that is a wee bit disturbing! I mean, it is slightly disturbing to think that she has had hundreds (or thousands) of dicks inside of her. I mean, I don't want to disparage her for turning lots of tricks and having a net worth of, what, $100 k USD? $200 k USD?? That is wonderful that she was able to generate some net worth (if she actually did) from turning tricks. But come on, now. All of a sudden, her value (to me) has plummeted because she has banged so many guys.

Surely I can't be the only dude who finds it off-putting if a gal has fucked a thousand guys?

What sayeth the experts? Do you guys care how many guys the ho has banged? Or no? What is the consensus on this matter?

I am sure the woman is beautiful. That is not the issue. The issue is the number of dicks that have entered the pussy. That is very problematic, in my humble opinion.

I think anytime you approach a working girl you have to assume that she has banged thousands of dudes. That is her profession. Why would she not have a goal in her career to bang every dude in the city for cash?

I think all guys like to pretend that the girl they are hitting at that moment just does it on the side, from time to time. The truth is she probably has some type of boyfriend who is banging her. Then if she is strapped for cash she is at a sleezy club in the day getting banged by locals. Then she gets all dolled up at night with a new attitude and jacks her prices up for the foreigners.

If she isn't banging 5 guys a day on a standard day then she isn't working very hard is she? These girls can't survive on one guy a day. If they could bang 24 in a day. I don't think very many of them would have a problem with that.

Now keep in mind there are likely girls who have kids or shitty jobs and then go out and bang one or two guys for pay.

Can we really trust any of these girls to know the difference?

[Biff Dangler]

Hey, now that is a wee bit disturbing! I mean, it is slightly disturbing to think that she has had hundreds (or thousands) of dicks inside of her. I mean, I don't want to disparage her for turning lots of tricks and having a net worth of, what, $100 k USD? $200 k USD?? That is wonderful that she was able to generate some net worth (if she actually did) from turning tricks. But come on, now. All of a sudden, her value (to me) has plummeted because she has banged so many guys.

Surely I can't be the only dude who finds it off-putting if a gal has fucked a thousand guys?

What sayeth the experts? Do you guys care how many guys the ho has banged? Or no? What is the consensus on this matter?

I am sure the woman is beautiful. That is not the issue. The issue is the number of dicks that have entered the pussy. That is very problematic, in my humble opinion.

When I was a younger man things like that used to bother me whether if we were talking pros or girlfriends / hookups. It's a TOTAL waste of your mental energy to care or speculate on how many dicks a woman as had inside of here. First of all on the pros who gives a shit if the number is 200-500-1000? Those Colombia chicks at Habanos were all getting fucked in Colombia long before they came here. Just assume every working girl has fucked 1,000+ guys as it is probably true.

With dating it's the same thing. Girls fuck a lot more dudes than they let on. But the essentially point is this: who cares? Don't you like a confident chick in the sack who knows what she wants and knows how to please you?

Chicks aren't your property, it's not like a new vs. Used car. And besides whether they are a new or used car their fucking engines are broken and need repair every day anyway no matter how used they are. You don't want to own them, just borrow them for an hour.

[Mellowg]

Surely I can't be the only dude who finds it off-putting if a gal has fucked a thousand guys?

I am sure the woman is beautiful. That is not the issue. The issue is the number of dicks that have entered the pussy. That is very problematic, in my humble opinion.

In my humble opinion, it would be naive to think a pro would limit the number of customers satisfied per night. She will do as many as there are available and willing customer around.

If one has hung around in those meeting places, and observed the business, one never sees a pro limit herself to x number of customer per night. It is more a question of running out of customers.

I think it would be less than realistic to expect a girl (from streetwalker to posh salon) who has been on the market for a few years to have had less than a few thousand encounters with Mr. Big (or small as the case might be), or else she is in the wrong business.

Remember, a thousand a year is less than 3 customers a night.

I assume a newbie who walks in the DelRey in Costa Rica or the Veneto or Habanos here in Panama is soooo blinded by his surroundings that he sees none of that.

Mellow.

[MarianoRiv]

I know the Ukranian also. However, I have never sessioned with her. She used to work in Playa Del Carmen Mexico at a place called Chilly Willy's. I new her from there and now she has been working in Panama for over a year more or less. Biff I am glad you were able to finally partake and it was a good time. I was sitting at Habanos one night for about 6 hours watching the action and drinking and my friend and I saw her come and go with 5 different guys within the time we were there. The next time I saw her at Habanos and I was catching up with her and asked her what the Maximum number of Clients she has had in a night and she said 9 was the most. She could have had 10 but, was exhausted. That girl makes some $$.

If I may be so bold as to comment on some of the above terminology, often employed, it is somewhat amusing to read something like the above, "I have never sessioned with her. " This is hilarious, because it is so vague! I mean, of course, everyone understands what it means, but it just cracks me up because I could never say "I sessioned with her" instead of, "I fucked her" or "I had sex with her"! Ha!

I guess it is just a special part of the monger culture that I will have to adapt to! After all, mongers are just a wee bit "special"!

[MarianoRiv]

I know the Ukranian also. However, I have never sessioned with her. She used to work in Playa Del Carmen Mexico at a place called Chilly Willy's. I new her from there and now she has been working in Panama for over a year more or less. Biff I am glad you were able to finally partake and it was a good time. I was sitting at Habanos one night for about 6 hours watching the action and drinking and my friend and I saw her come and go with 5 different guys within the time we were there. The next time I saw her at Habanos and I was catching up with her and asked her what the Maximum number of Clients she has had in a night and she said 9 was the most. She could have had 10 but, was exhausted. That girl makes some $$.

Hey, now that is a wee bit disturbing! I mean, it is slightly disturbing to think that she has had hundreds (or thousands) of dicks inside of her. I mean, I don't want to disparage her for turning lots of tricks and having a net worth of, what, $100 k USD? $200 k USD?? That is wonderful that she was able to generate some net worth (if she actually did) from turning tricks. But come on, now. All of a sudden, her value (to me) has plummeted because she has banged so many guys.

Surely I can't be the only dude who finds it off-putting if a gal has fucked a thousand guys?

What sayeth the experts? Do you guys care how many guys the ho has banged? Or no? What is the consensus on this matter?

I am sure the woman is beautiful. That is not the issue. The issue is the number of dicks that have entered the pussy. That is very problematic, in my humble opinion.

[MarianoRiv]

Of course they asked for a propina! They figured if you were foolish enough to give them $150, you'd be foolish enough to add a propina.

I'm not trying to be an asshole. I enjoyed your report.

But girls will ask for as much as they think the market will bear (like any supplier of a service). And if they get the feeling that you don't know the scene, they will start their "asking price" really high, hoping they might just get that one sucker that will go for it.

Yes indeed, it is interesting and true what you say. Next time I will do more research beforehand, and try out some of those cheaper places that the locals go to, as well! I do feel like I got beat out of $100-200, and that is upsetting, but I will try to get over it.

It's interesting to me how the gals did not seem to think (or care) if they might be perceived as greedy for asking for a propina! They don't really mind how they are perceived, do they? It's like they don't have strong self-awareness, or don't care! And to be fair, 2 of the gals did put in some effort. Like this one chica who got some weed out of her purse, and we smoked in the bathroom, with the fan on. She was cool.

But yeah, it pays to do the homework beforehand. I will definitely do that if I ever to go Asia. (I've never been! Yet!

[Mfins]

So, I have a strong bias against paying up for chicas. I have been coming to PTY for years (and now live here) and have never paid more than $100 for the girls at Habanos or Veneto. Those of you who are regulars know that for the last year or so a Ukrainian girl who in my opinion is one of the prettiest women on the planet has been getting away with charging guys 250-300.

I've talked to her quite a bit for the last year but could never get her off those high prices.

Let me tell you about last night however:

I started drinking at happy hour at Mendoza's on Via Argentina. The owner of relax oriental massage hangs out there and we have a beer together now and then and that is my normal happy hour hang out. Anyway, I wasn't really in the mood to do much but met some interesting people who had never heard of Habanos and like a true gentlemen I decided to walk them there.

Walking people to Habanos if one of my favorite things to do (especially young guys I meet at Veneto). They are always fucking amazed and then start showering me with free drinks. I think my purpose on earth is perhaps to introduce people to Habanos.

Anyway, I only recently got back into town after a couple of months in Europe and ran into the Ukrainian chick there. We caught up a little bit, etc. She of course tries to get me to leave with her at which point I say her prices are just too high. She says "for you, 200". I said yeah, but then there is the cab rides, hotel room, etc. She says "I'll take care of that".

I say "ok". So instead of driving to the usual places we walk to the left out of Habanos and then the first left. Hotel a few buildings down on the left.

Anyway, what can I say? It was truly the single best sexual experience I have had in my life. Usually when a chick does the GFE thing it doesn't work on me because it is unconvincing. In addition to being so gorgeous and skilled at her job she completely and totally had me in a fantasy land as if she was the sole woman on the planet and myself the sole man. It was really that good.

Damn, I am thinking of cutting out all of my other activities just to budget more time with her.

Anyway, after that I went back to Relax and got a BJ there.

I know the Ukranian also. However, I have never sessioned with her. She used to work in Playa Del Carmen Mexico at a place called Chilly Willy's. I new her from there and now she has been working in Panama for over a year more or less. Biff I am glad you were able to finally partake and it was a good time. I was sitting at Habanos one night for about 6 hours watching the action and drinking and my friend and I saw her come and go with 5 different guys within the time we were there. The next time I saw her at Habanos and I was catching up with her and asked her what the Maximum number of Clients she has had in a night and she said 9 was the most. She could have had 10 but, was exhausted. That girl makes some $$.

[El Patron24]

I was also there for the first time on Saturday evening, around 10:00 pm. There was abut a 1:1 M / F ratio at that time. The women were very passive. I was there with a gringo friend who is normally well-loved by Latinas and we didn't have anyone approach us. In fact, I didn't see any girl approach any guy. You can think of the place as a much upscale version of La Mayor or other similar clubs in that neighborhood. Almost everyone sitting at tables and very little mixing and mingling. And an occasional girl half-heartedly working the pole on the stage. For those who like that kind of a club, it's the nicest one of that kind of thing I've been to in PC. The girls were generally good looking, I don't do number ratings because they're so subjective. Nearly all appeared to be in their 20's or very early 30's. All silicone-filled, some both upstairs and downstairs. They also all had that hardened working-girl look to them. You won't find anyone just out of her Colombian village at this place.

Both of us preferring a mix and mingle atmosphere, we then went to Boca. I hadn't been for over a year but recognized several women. The best looking one in the place was young with enhanced boobs and a classic Latina butt. The longest time I saw her out of the back rooms between clients was about ten seconds. I once saw her get no more than six steps into the bar before she was grabbed by another guy. With another guy following just in case the first one didn't have his $15. I hope she was hitting them up for tips as that's a tough way to make $40 an hour. One of the pleasures of Boca is walking around flirting and playing grabass with the girls. No Spanish required, just a couple pictures of George Washington and many of the girls will go for a little discreet groping in the bar areas. I've found this to work most reliably with the older ones. Personally, I enjoy being able to walk around to the girls to be much more fun than sitting at a table so I'll keep going back to Boca.

And to touch on something that's been discussed here, Boca, and La Mayor next door, are perfectly safe, even at 2:00 am. If you want to save the "gringo getting laid" outrageous cab fares, have the driver take you to Habana, which is a big dance club about a block and a half further along the way to Casco Viejo. Then just walk back the way you came. You'll recognize Boca with all of the food vendors outside.

Is Boca local Pana girls or mainly Colombians? I have yet to check it out but would like to.

[Combo]

Thanks, guys, for the information. I was a dumbass and gave a few Colombianas $150. Damn it. It was just too easy to accept that $150 price and run with it. Although I can say that they all asked for a "propina" (tip), afterwards, which I declined to give them, since I thought that the $150 was more than enough.

Biff the, it sounds like you found a great one! Thanks for sharing! Interesting stuff! Sounds like you got good value at $200! Better value than the Colombianas I was with.

Of course they asked for a propina! They figured if you were foolish enough to give them $150, you'd be foolish enough to add a propina.

I'm not trying to be an asshole. I enjoyed your report.

But girls will ask for as much as they think the market will bear (like any supplier of a service). And if they get the feeling that you don't know the scene, they will start their "asking price" really high, hoping they might just get that one sucker that will go for it.

[Wrong Places]

Well, last night, Saturday, I aimed toward the "New Gruta Azul" on north side of Via Espana and about 150 mtrs from "12 de octubre" road. Large fluorescent blue sign you cannot miss it.

Mellow

I was also there for the first time on Saturday evening, around 10:00 pm. There was abut a 1:1 M / F ratio at that time. The women were very passive. I was there with a gringo friend who is normally well-loved by Latinas and we didn't have anyone approach us. In fact, I didn't see any girl approach any guy. You can think of the place as a much upscale version of La Mayor or other similar clubs in that neighborhood. Almost everyone sitting at tables and very little mixing and mingling. And an occasional girl half-heartedly working the pole on the stage. For those who like that kind of a club, it's the nicest one of that kind of thing I've been to in PC. The girls were generally good looking, I don't do number ratings because they're so subjective. Nearly all appeared to be in their 20's or very early 30's. All silicone-filled, some both upstairs and downstairs. They also all had that hardened working-girl look to them. You won't find anyone just out of her Colombian village at this place.

Both of us preferring a mix and mingle atmosphere, we then went to Boca. I hadn't been for over a year but recognized several women. The best looking one in the place was young with enhanced boobs and a classic Latina butt. The longest time I saw her out of the back rooms between clients was about ten seconds. I once saw her get no more than six steps into the bar before she was grabbed by another guy. With another guy following just in case the first one didn't have his $15. I hope she was hitting them up for tips as that's a tough way to make $40 an hour. One of the pleasures of Boca is walking around flirting and playing grabass with the girls. No Spanish required, just a couple pictures of George Washington and many of the girls will go for a little discreet groping in the bar areas. I've found this to work most reliably with the older ones. Personally, I enjoy being able to walk around to the girls to be much more fun than sitting at a table so I'll keep going back to Boca.

And to touch on something that's been discussed here, Boca, and La Mayor next door, are perfectly safe, even at 2:00 am. If you want to save the "gringo getting laid" outrageous cab fares, have the driver take you to Habana, which is a big dance club about a block and a half further along the way to Casco Viejo. Then just walk back the way you came. You'll recognize Boca with all of the food vendors outside.

[Biff Dangler]

Nice report Biff. I have actually seen that Ukranian chick around. I myself prefer the LatAm girls while in LatAm, but she does look like a gem. Is there a group of Ukranians or is she rolling solo?

She rolls solo.

Meanwhile I went out Monday night. Veneto was pretty lame. Habanos better as always. There was one smoking hot black chick that I would have banged if it were a Saturday night or something but I didn't want to be out late or anything. So I went to relax and was 69 ing with this chick who had a nice pussy. List price is 80, whether or not I had a discount because I drink beer with the owner is not something I should really elaborate on. There were two girls at relax (on a Saturday there are usually like 5). One was like an 8, the other like a 6. In my younger days I would have gone with the 8 based on looks but she wasn't really making eye contact or anything. Meanwhile the 6 was looking pretty damn enthusiastic so I went with her.

Good choice.