Panama City

[Frankfurt]

That's right- but Cafe Beirut on the corner will serve alcohol in white paper cups.

For those that are not familiar with Latin America, (or those that have forgotten) Good Friday (March 30) means DRY (no alcohol) day.

Most of the venues will be closed.

Sorry to bring that up.

Mellow.

[JohnWatson314]

Ok, I'll ask: where do you find the escorts in s. Fla who are not $400? For a well reviewed girl here, I find them to be 400 to 600 and sometimes a boatload more. I am open to getting a new source if you have it, thanks.

You can find the best Miami and South Florida girls on here for $200 and under. Not to mention the best reviews and community:

http://independentgirls.com/indiboar...south-florida/

[HectorPF]

So for anyone that cares what the half name change was all about, Don Julio is the name of the guy who runs / partially owns Habano's. He used to be a major importer of Cuban cigars to Panama. He still does, but he also has started his own cigar brand named after himself, Don Julio. Obviously you can buy his cigars at Don Julio's / Habano's.

Don Julio has found himself in such favor with the President of Panama that he recently was part of a few official international delegations (China among others).

I am not sure if the President likes the cigars or the women more.

[Lee]

Observations:

The Veneto is dead. Throw dirt on it.

If you have any fond memories of Las Vegas Suites it's gone. Just a framework left quite literally.

Donjulio / Habano's is alive and well.

The Hyatt place hotel is a great place to stay with a crappie $30.00 guest fee.

Love it, hate it, couldn't care less about it, or whatever your opinion it cannot be avoided.

It's spreading across the city like a cancer. The price of love is gone up $30.00.

Tinder and other electronic pickup joints is growing as a reliable source of short time love.

Part two later after I figure out why I cannot attach photographs.

Lee.

[BatInTheCity]

I already told you guys where to go for South Florida. Is not the "main site" there, and the prices aren't anywhere near $300 for well-reviewed escorts.

Ok, I'll ask: where do you find the escorts in s. Fla who are not $400? For a well reviewed girl here, I find them to be 400 to 600 and sometimes a boatload more. I am open to getting a new source if you have it, thanks.

[Mellowg]

For those that are not familiar with Latin America, (or those that have forgotten) Good Friday (March 30) means DRY (no alcohol) day.

Most of the venues will be closed.

Sorry to bring that up.

Mellow.

[JL Miami]

When I'm home I often hobby in Miami. There's a guy who provides me with babes and I don't ever pay less than $300 per hour and that's a good price.

Yeah that had me scratching my head too. Never been to Miami but my friend lived there and said it was expensive for girls. He did go to Tootsies a lot though.

I am afraid I have to call BS on the $160 for a well reviewed GFE girl in Miami. If you use the main review site (the e. review) and the verify site (P411) the lowest you will find is $400 for a well reviewed girl in Miami. Double of what you claim. Now, I am very open to being wrong if you can prove it. Bat.

I already told you guys where to go for South Florida. Is not the "main site" there, and the prices aren't anywhere near $300 for well-reviewed escorts.

As for the Hyatt, it's ludicrous to claim it has 80,000 guests per year if 40,000+ of them are +1's in a room. If the Hyatt rents 30,000 room nights per year and 3,000 or 4,000 of them are to mongers, that's a lot of business. And I doubt they rent anywhere near 30,000 room nights per year, or else the rate wouldn't be half that of the Marriott.

[Turgid]

I am afraid I have to call BS on the $160 for a well reviewed GFE girl in Miami. If you use the main review site (the e. review) and the verify site (P411) the lowest you will find is $400 for a well reviewed girl in Miami. Double of what you claim. Now, I am very open to being wrong if you can prove it. Bat.

When I'm home I often hobby in Miami. There's a guy who provides me with babes and I don't ever pay less than $300 per hour and that's a good price.

[Member #4722]

I am afraid I have to call BS on the $160 for a well reviewed GFE girl in Miami. If you use the main review site (the e. review) and the verify site (P411) the lowest you will find is $400 for a well reviewed girl in Miami. Double of what you claim. Now, I am very open to being wrong if you can prove it. Bat.

Yeah that had me scratching my head too. Never been to Miami but my friend lived there and said it was expensive for girls. He did go to Tootsies a lot though.

[BatInTheCity]

This, too, is subjective, but Colombia now seems way better than Panama. Hell, Miami is probably better now, too, when you factor in the cost of flights to PTY vs. MIA. In Miami, you can order reviewed, verified GFE escorts off the internet for as low as $160/ hour without needing to screw around buying drinks, negotiating, and then paying a chica fee.

I am afraid I have to call BS on the $160 for a well reviewed GFE girl in Miami. If you use the main review site (the e. review) and the verify site (P411) the lowest you will find is $400 for a well reviewed girl in Miami. Double of what you claim. Now, I am very open to being wrong if you can prove it. Bat.

[Dickhead]

given the average occupancy rate in Panama at approx 80%

Where did you get that number?

[Sargent 50]

For easter week, it better that you plan way in advance and arrive the weekend before. Get a beach room via airbnb or something and make contacts with the girls and propose a beach trip. During easter week the city dies completely.

Just the info I was looking for.

[Mfins]

If the Hyatt was truly trying to discourage this activity, it would advertise the fee so that such men would stay elsewhere. But that's not what's happening. The Hyatt doesn't even call it a guest fee on the folio. It calls it an "upgrade fee," whatever that's supposed to mean.

I will agree with you on this point. The hotels in Panama who charge a "guest fee" they are very sneaky about it. Sometimes it just shows up on your bill at the end of the trip. Although since these are not love hotels, I am not sure how they would advertise it or inform people of the potential extra charge at check in. They can't call it a guest fee because most patrons of the hotel have legitimate guests up to the room and they would not stand for being charged a fee for this. They can not call it a "hooker fee" at check in or on your reservation for obvious reasons. So I am not really sure how they are supposed to let people know in advance as they do not know who checking in is there to bang prostitutes and who is there on vacation / business.

[Mfins]

You can't be serious. You're assuming the Hyatt is sold out every day of the year? I doubt it's sold out more than one or two days per month. If the Hyatt was doing that well, the rate wouldn't be half of what, E. G, the Courtyard charges.

There's also no way it took the Hyatt over three years to figure out Habanos was two blocks away. My last time at the Hyatt, if I sat in the lobby for an hour at night, I'd count at least ten escorts coming or going. That's a huge amount of business for the Hyatt.

If the Hyatt was truly trying to discourage this activity, it would advertise the fee so that such men would stay elsewhere. But that's not what's happening. The Hyatt doesn't even call it a guest fee on the folio. It calls it an "upgrade fee," whatever that's supposed to mean.

This is way too optimistic. There was never a time in Panama where there were zero hotels near Habanos known to be chica-friendly with no fee. Where are all these other options? If they exist, no one has mentioned them.

They exist and if you wish you can look back at all the posts going back years to find them. Many of them are my posts. Maybe not walking distance but within ear shot.

I'm not going to debate this issue. However, I will make a few points of fact. Each room does not have one person in it most of the time. Many times its between 2-4 so no I am not saying its 100% occupied every day of the year but, given the average occupancy rate in Panama at approx 80% and given that most rooms have more than just one guest staying in it I am giving you an estimated number of guests per year who stay at the Hyatt. The couple thousand mongers (if even that many) staying there each year is not even a blip on the radar. Regardless of your opinion or mine if you don't buy my explanation that is fine. However, the fact is they charge it because they can and, they will continue to charge it and people will continue to pay it. (aside from a few). I can also assure you they will tolerate hookers and mongers staying at their hotel within reason but, they in no way want to be known as a Hooker hotel. In fact I bet Hyatt corporate would shut the franchisee down and de-brand the hotel if it got out of hand. That was part of the reason the Veneto was sold / filed bankruptcy / taken over. Wyndham forced them to de-brand the hotel.

[JL Miami]

There are over 165 rooms at the Hyatt. With over 80,000 guests staying there a year. How many of those do you think are staying there because of this board? How many of those guests are bringing back prostitutes? I assure you its a very small number / percentage.

It sometimes takes Hotels a while after opening to implement fees and policies. They learn on the fly. I'm sure there were numerous incidents at the hotel, and / or other guests complaining so they decide, we are going to charge a fee. Maybe its to make extra money (they are running a for profit business) maybe its to discourage prostitutes as guests, maybe its a risk reward..

You can't be serious. You're assuming the Hyatt is sold out every day of the year? I doubt it's sold out more than one or two days per month. If the Hyatt was doing that well, the rate wouldn't be half of what, E. G, the Courtyard charges.

There's also no way it took the Hyatt over three years to figure out Habanos was two blocks away. My last time at the Hyatt, if I sat in the lobby for an hour at night, I'd count at least ten escorts coming or going. That's a huge amount of business for the Hyatt.

If the Hyatt was truly trying to discourage this activity, it would advertise the fee so that such men would stay elsewhere. But that's not what's happening. The Hyatt doesn't even call it a guest fee on the folio. It calls it an "upgrade fee," whatever that's supposed to mean.

It won't make a dent. There are so many other hotels to choose from and quite honestly people will just get used to paying the $30 and budget for it. These fees have been popping up for as long as I can remember in Panama and, it has not effected business in general.

Other things that pop up do effect business however. Including immigration sweeps at the clubs rounding up the girls for deportation. Laws limiting alcohol sales and when a club has to close, taxes on cashing in chips at the casino (although this is one is more of a personal observation).

I will concede however the Hyatt was new, close, and reasonably priced.

This is way too optimistic. There was never a time in Panama where there were zero hotels near Habanos known to be chica-friendly with no fee. Where are all these other options? If they exist, no one has mentioned them.