Panama City

[BatInTheCity]

This, too, is subjective, but Colombia now seems way better than Panama. Hell, Miami is probably better now, too, when you factor in the cost of flights to PTY vs. MIA. In Miami, you can order reviewed, verified GFE escorts off the internet for as low as $160/ hour without needing to screw around buying drinks, negotiating, and then paying a chica fee.

I am afraid I have to call BS on the $160 for a well reviewed GFE girl in Miami. If you use the main review site (the e. review) and the verify site (P411) the lowest you will find is $400 for a well reviewed girl in Miami. Double of what you claim. Now, I am very open to being wrong if you can prove it. Bat.

[Dickhead]

given the average occupancy rate in Panama at approx 80%

Where did you get that number?

[Sargent 50]

For easter week, it better that you plan way in advance and arrive the weekend before. Get a beach room via airbnb or something and make contacts with the girls and propose a beach trip. During easter week the city dies completely.

Just the info I was looking for.

[Mfins]

If the Hyatt was truly trying to discourage this activity, it would advertise the fee so that such men would stay elsewhere. But that's not what's happening. The Hyatt doesn't even call it a guest fee on the folio. It calls it an "upgrade fee," whatever that's supposed to mean.

I will agree with you on this point. The hotels in Panama who charge a "guest fee" they are very sneaky about it. Sometimes it just shows up on your bill at the end of the trip. Although since these are not love hotels, I am not sure how they would advertise it or inform people of the potential extra charge at check in. They can't call it a guest fee because most patrons of the hotel have legitimate guests up to the room and they would not stand for being charged a fee for this. They can not call it a "hooker fee" at check in or on your reservation for obvious reasons. So I am not really sure how they are supposed to let people know in advance as they do not know who checking in is there to bang prostitutes and who is there on vacation / business.

[Mfins]

You can't be serious. You're assuming the Hyatt is sold out every day of the year? I doubt it's sold out more than one or two days per month. If the Hyatt was doing that well, the rate wouldn't be half of what, E. G, the Courtyard charges.

There's also no way it took the Hyatt over three years to figure out Habanos was two blocks away. My last time at the Hyatt, if I sat in the lobby for an hour at night, I'd count at least ten escorts coming or going. That's a huge amount of business for the Hyatt.

If the Hyatt was truly trying to discourage this activity, it would advertise the fee so that such men would stay elsewhere. But that's not what's happening. The Hyatt doesn't even call it a guest fee on the folio. It calls it an "upgrade fee," whatever that's supposed to mean.

This is way too optimistic. There was never a time in Panama where there were zero hotels near Habanos known to be chica-friendly with no fee. Where are all these other options? If they exist, no one has mentioned them.

They exist and if you wish you can look back at all the posts going back years to find them. Many of them are my posts. Maybe not walking distance but within ear shot.

I'm not going to debate this issue. However, I will make a few points of fact. Each room does not have one person in it most of the time. Many times its between 2-4 so no I am not saying its 100% occupied every day of the year but, given the average occupancy rate in Panama at approx 80% and given that most rooms have more than just one guest staying in it I am giving you an estimated number of guests per year who stay at the Hyatt. The couple thousand mongers (if even that many) staying there each year is not even a blip on the radar. Regardless of your opinion or mine if you don't buy my explanation that is fine. However, the fact is they charge it because they can and, they will continue to charge it and people will continue to pay it. (aside from a few). I can also assure you they will tolerate hookers and mongers staying at their hotel within reason but, they in no way want to be known as a Hooker hotel. In fact I bet Hyatt corporate would shut the franchisee down and de-brand the hotel if it got out of hand. That was part of the reason the Veneto was sold / filed bankruptcy / taken over. Wyndham forced them to de-brand the hotel.

[JL Miami]

There are over 165 rooms at the Hyatt. With over 80,000 guests staying there a year. How many of those do you think are staying there because of this board? How many of those guests are bringing back prostitutes? I assure you its a very small number / percentage.

It sometimes takes Hotels a while after opening to implement fees and policies. They learn on the fly. I'm sure there were numerous incidents at the hotel, and / or other guests complaining so they decide, we are going to charge a fee. Maybe its to make extra money (they are running a for profit business) maybe its to discourage prostitutes as guests, maybe its a risk reward..

You can't be serious. You're assuming the Hyatt is sold out every day of the year? I doubt it's sold out more than one or two days per month. If the Hyatt was doing that well, the rate wouldn't be half of what, E. G, the Courtyard charges.

There's also no way it took the Hyatt over three years to figure out Habanos was two blocks away. My last time at the Hyatt, if I sat in the lobby for an hour at night, I'd count at least ten escorts coming or going. That's a huge amount of business for the Hyatt.

If the Hyatt was truly trying to discourage this activity, it would advertise the fee so that such men would stay elsewhere. But that's not what's happening. The Hyatt doesn't even call it a guest fee on the folio. It calls it an "upgrade fee," whatever that's supposed to mean.

It won't make a dent. There are so many other hotels to choose from and quite honestly people will just get used to paying the $30 and budget for it. These fees have been popping up for as long as I can remember in Panama and, it has not effected business in general.

Other things that pop up do effect business however. Including immigration sweeps at the clubs rounding up the girls for deportation. Laws limiting alcohol sales and when a club has to close, taxes on cashing in chips at the casino (although this is one is more of a personal observation).

I will concede however the Hyatt was new, close, and reasonably priced.

This is way too optimistic. There was never a time in Panama where there were zero hotels near Habanos known to be chica-friendly with no fee. Where are all these other options? If they exist, no one has mentioned them.

[Lee]

Why is there a guest fee at the Hyatt?

If you put this question to the staff of the hotel the answer you get is that the new manager is a woman. When the old one moved on to Peru (a man) and in came the new female manager up came guest fees. $15.00 did not chase you a way so it went to 30 dollars.

After your visit if you receive a survey from Hyatt corporation about your stay in Panama comment that the only negative thing you found was the $30.00 fee to have a friend visit you in your room.

Lee.

[Mfins]

Glad I paid a visit recently and knocked Panama off my bucket list because I have a feeling the new Hyatt chica fee will hurt mongering there across the board. Less clients means even higher prices and eventually fewer chicas. Prices are already rising and Panama is much more expensive now than other nearby countries.

It won't make a dent. There are so many other hotels to choose from and quite honestly people will just get used to paying the $30 and budget for it. These fees have been popping up for as long as I can remember in Panama and, it has not effected business in general.

Other things that pop up do effect business however. Including immigration sweeps at the clubs rounding up the girls for deportation. Laws limiting alcohol sales and when a club has to close, taxes on cashing in chips at the casino (although this is one is more of a personal observation).

I will concede however the Hyatt was new, close, and reasonably priced.

[Mfins]

The Hyatt makes a copy of the ID of all guests who get charged a fee. The Hyatt probably has twenty copies of your "co-worker's" ID, so why make such a foolish argument? Do you want Hyatt Place Panama showing Hyatt corporate the IDs of all your "co-workers"?

Now this part, I agree with. The real issue with the Hyatt is the lack of transparency. It's B. S. For them to charge a $30 fee without actually notifying people of the charge in advance. Not once have I heard the front desk mention a fee they just say they need to see the woman's ID and then they make a copy of it. In the span of 6 months or less, the fee has gone from $0 to $15 to $30 with no notice and no mention of it on their site, check-in info, etc. Negative reviews for this practice absolutely should be posted far and wide.

The situation at the Hyatt has gone downhill because of the $30 chica fee, but I don't understand the complaints about the breakfast. The Hyatt serves a huge, free breakfast buffet every day, with a nightly rate as low as $65. What are people expecting? Steak and eggs?

Sounds good in theory, but where do we go? The Marriott is at $30 now as well. Does anyone know about the Crowne Plaza or Hilton? Perhaps the hotels a little farther away don't get as much traffic with the Habanos girls.

Disagree, strongly. The Hyatt has gotten a huge amount of business from this and still does. If the Hyatt didn't want to be known for this, they would have had a guest policy from Day 1. Instead, they were happy to make the money in their early years, but now they're either trying to "go straight," so to speak, or they're trying to milk the cow for all its worth. (If the Hyatt was trying to discourage this, they'd mention the $30 fee prominently on their site and at the desk. But they don't do either).

There are over 165 rooms at the Hyatt. With over 80,000 guests staying there a year. How many of those do you think are staying there because of this board? How many of those guests are bringing back prostitutes? I assure you its a very small number / percentage.

It sometimes takes Hotels a while after opening to implement fees and policies. They learn on the fly. I'm sure there were numerous incidents at the hotel, and / or other guests complaining so they decide, we are going to charge a fee. Maybe its to make extra money (they are running a for profit business) maybe its to discourage prostitutes as guests, maybe its a risk reward. There thinking is, we will deal with this from time to time and the risk and hassle that goes along with it but, there is going to be a surcharge for doing it. Im not even going into the fact the Panamanian Staff does not like dealing with drunks coming back in the middle of the night with pre-pagos from Colombia. I don't know the exact reason. What I do know is your business, my business and every other Mongers business they can live without and if the police get called to the hotel too frequently, or a room is destroyed, or there is puke to clean up etc they will just stop allowing "paid guests" I have seen it happen in many hotels in many different parts of the world.

[JL Miami]

Back in 2015/2016 I was going back with chicas and not getting charged anything (even though technically they had a $15 fee). The Hyatt I think had recently opened. As time goes by they start to enforce a chica fee because things tend to go sideways. Hookers invade hotels in LATAM like roaches. Before you know it bad things happen like furniture being destroyed or fights breaking out. Then management starts to enforce the fee to increase revenue and make up for losses.

I remember when the Veneto first started to introduce a fee. Now that hotel has gone down hill. I've seen this fee business elsewhere in LATAM. First its optionally enforced. Then its strictly enforced. Then the fee is jacked up to a higher price.

There's no way the Hyatt chica fee is to cover damages. They have a credit card on file for the room, so they don't need to charge fees to cover losses. The fee is simply a money-grab now that the hotel is established.

Does anyone know who the GM is now? Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it seemed like there was no fee when a man was GM and then the fees started when a woman took over. But I didn't see the woman I thought was GM during my last trip, so I don't know who was responsible for the jump from $15 to $30.

Glad I paid a visit recently and knocked Panama off my bucket list because I have a feeling the new Hyatt chica fee will hurt mongering there across the board. Less clients means even higher prices and eventually fewer chicas. Prices are already rising and Panama is much more expensive now than other nearby countries.

The Marriott fee is probably a bigger deal, since the Hyatt didn't even exist until a few years ago. But Panama is going downhill quickly.

My company ships me to Panama, so I don't have a choice, but there's no way I'the book a trip to Panama on my own dime to hook up with escorts. If either go to Miami or head to Colombia or maybe Brazil.

[Member #4722]

Glad I paid a visit recently and knocked Panama off my bucket list because I have a feeling the new Hyatt chica fee will hurt mongering there across the board. Less clients means even higher prices and eventually fewer chicas. Prices are already rising and Panama is much more expensive now than other nearby countries.

[YippieKayay]

The situation at the Hyatt has gone downhill because of the $30 chica fee, but I don't understand the complaints about the breakfast. The Hyatt serves a huge, free breakfast buffet every day, with a nightly rate as low as $65. What are people expecting? Steak and eggs?

Back in 2015/2016 I was going back with chicas and not getting charged anything (even though technically they had a $15 fee). The Hyatt I think had recently opened. As time goes by they start to enforce a chica fee because things tend to go sideways. Hookers invade hotels in LATAM like roaches. Before you know it bad things happen like furniture being destroyed or fights breaking out. Then management starts to enforce the fee to increase revenue and make up for losses.

I remember when the Veneto first started to introduce a fee. Now that hotel has gone down hill. I've seen this fee business elsewhere in LATAM. First its optionally enforced. Then its strictly enforced. Then the fee is jacked up to a higher price.

[Jethro69]

Is there a consensus regarding the best chica friendly hotel within a close distance to Habanos now that the Hyatt place has turned on us harmless mongers?

[JL Miami]

What board is the best for escort reviews in Miami?

IndependentGirls dot com, by far.

Elite and LE Palace are the top of the top of stripclubs in Panama. The owner. A french guy, has a very special taste for the ladies that work there. You will not find any dark skinned girls, and if you do, it will be because she is tanned. Most of them are white girls and ULTRA HOT. Centerfold type.

Thanks. Both are owned by the same guy? How is the experience? I believe LE Palace has been advertising no cover charge, which made me wonder if the place had gone downhill. If I just want to have a couple beers and take in the scenery, will I have a good time, or is it a non-stop sales pitch and $12 beers?

I'm not bragging at all. I've been able to nail a solid 9 for about $30, and the same 9 has gone TLN for $60.

Crazy things happen when there's a lot of chemistry and especially when the rent is due, but let's not give people the wrong impression here. Anyone expecting to pull a 9 in Panama for anywhere near $30 is going to be disappointed 99 times out of 100, and now that the Venezuelans are being pushed out, prices are on the rise across the board.

[JL Miami]

I have so far written to Hyatt headquarters about this scam!

I spelled out in my letter, that once I pay for the room, I can have as many guests as I want.

I spelled out the following scenarios:

1 I'm doing business in their city and I want to hold a meeting in my room.

2. I want to have a drink with a friend before we go out to dinner.

3. My co-worker is staying at a different hotel, and wants to see my room and how the pool area is.

4. Do they enforce this fee, if my guest is male? If not there being prejudiced against heterosexuals!

In your own letters come up with other scenarios!

I really like the hotel but this is bad business!

[Deleted by Admin]The Hyatt makes a copy of the ID of all guests who get charged a fee. The Hyatt probably has twenty copies of your "co-worker's" ID, so why make such a foolish argument? Do you want Hyatt Place Panama showing Hyatt corporate the IDs of all your "co-workers"?

Also post negative reviews on TripAdvisor, Google and so on, if enough people complain about.

This scam, they'll lose business and will change there practice!

Now this part, I agree with. The real issue with the Hyatt is the lack of transparency. It's B. S. For them to charge a $30 fee without actually notifying people of the charge in advance. Not once have I heard the front desk mention a fee — they just say they need to see the woman's ID and then they make a copy of it. In the span of 6 months or less, the fee has gone from $0 to $15 to $30 with no notice and no mention of it on their site, check-in info, etc. Negative reviews for this practice absolutely should be posted far and wide.

Amen LuvPanamaBabes. I wrote two letters to Hyatt, first one was for the thing they serve at breakfast and claim it is 'food' -nah far from it unless since last May things have improved but I doubt it.

The situation at the Hyatt has gone downhill because of the $30 chica fee, but I don't understand the complaints about the breakfast. The Hyatt serves a huge, free breakfast buffet every day, with a nightly rate as low as $65. What are people expecting? Steak and eggs?

I strongly believe in BDS (not BDSM guys) movement -since we can't impose sanctions, we should at least stop giving them our business in PTY.

Sounds good in theory, but where do we go? The Marriott is at $30 now as well. Does anyone know about the Crowne Plaza or Hilton? Perhaps the hotels a little farther away don't get as much traffic with the Habanos girls.

Mongers who stay at the Hyatt are such a tiny fraction of their overall business and, that is why the tolerate it while also being able to capitalize on a guest fee. The last thing the Hyatt wants is to be known as a prostitute hotel. They have to much to lose. Don't get me wrong the fee sucks and I hate paying guest fees but, I can also see the business side of it.

Disagree, strongly. The Hyatt has gotten a huge amount of business from this and still does. If the Hyatt didn't want to be known for this, they would have had a guest policy from Day 1. Instead, they were happy to make the money in their early years, but now they're either trying to "go straight," so to speak, or they're trying to milk the cow for all its worth. (If the Hyatt was trying to discourage this, they'd mention the $30 fee prominently on their site and at the desk. But they don't do either).