Panama City

[Buster McNutty]

I visited and stayed at the Hilton in July. I'm seeing some misinformation about it; it is chica friendly. They charge a $15 guest parking fee and take their passport and copy it. Or you can go in through the casino, take that elevator bank to the pool level, and then grab a separate bank of elevators to the rooms. Not the best place to pick up ladies, but you get Honors points.

[Dickhead]

People are always telling me I should write a book on either mongering or traveling, or both. Writing is hard work. I'm retired. I was only in Latvia for two nights. One night I went out to dinner with a woman from Spain I picked up in line at the grocery store, and the other night I got drunk with a bunch of Aussies. I didn't monger. I'm just saying the regular women are pretty good looking. I did see two obvious hookers on the flight from Riga to Warsaw, but I don't know which country they were from. I tried to look at their passports when we were boarding but was unsuccessful in spotting the country. There is a board for Latvia, and there was a pussy club right by my hotel in Old Town. Those clubs in Europe are always too expensive for me.

But I don't think Latvia will ever be part of Russia again. They hate those fuckers. Latvia did not give them citizenship, or their descendants either, so a lot of the ethnic Russians there are stateless. They changed that law finally, as far as the descendants go, but they did not make it retroactive. I did not go to Lithuania, but the other two Baltic States seemed to be doing quite well on their own, if the number of drunk British tourists puking in the streets is any indication. But I liked Latvia a lot more than Estonia. Better beer and cuter women.

I'll give KK back 3 of the 5 points now that he has clarified, but I bet a lot of those hookers still think in lei, since they are probably all making remittance payments.

[Lucky Nuts]

Romania does not use the euro. Minus five. Similar to Poland, where I am now, they don't have their fiscal shit together enough to qualify to use it. Your credibility is eroding. I don't like Romanian women. Had enough of them in Spain. Polish women are fat. I was just in Latvia and there are a lot of hot women there.

But do you really want to fly to the capital of Kentucky? Are there good hookers in Kentucky? I thought everyone was strung out on heroin or Oxy.

I'm interested in hearing more on Latvia. Is there an active message board for that country? I've been thinking of getting there before it's part of Russia again. What's the going price range?

Are you keeping notes? You really ought to write a book titled Dickhead lol.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Romania does not use the euro.

No, they don't. But the Romanians you screw in the FKK clubs in Germany to which I was referring you do pay in Euros. They are Romanians getting paid in Germany. I was never in Romania. So, when I said the Romanians never took their minds off the Euros perhaps that was because they were getting paid in Euros by the johns there. Do I need to apply to get my 5 points back now or am I going to get -5 for another infraction of (k) redibility.

Latvia, guess they do breed beauties, I banged a beauty from there at Artemis. Hot blond, blue eyes (perhaps contacts), perfect body.

[Dickhead]

Romania does not use the euro. Minus five. Similar to Poland, where I am now, they don't have their fiscal shit together enough to qualify to use it. Your credibility is eroding. I don't like Romanian women. Had enough of them in Spain. Polish women are fat. I was just in Latvia and there are a lot of hot women there.

But do you really want to fly to the capital of Kentucky? Are there good hookers in Kentucky? I thought everyone was strung out on heroin or Oxy.

[Kosher Kowboy]

This attitude, however, is complete horseshit and is what messed up Costa Rica: "one guy paying $1, $10, $100 or $1,000,000 will not drive up prices however hundreds if not thousands of men paying more would. I am just one. So what I pay is irrelevant except to myself and the hooker. " It is indeed relevant, and if you want to come down and in the pond, you are on your own.

I agree with you actually, the johns collectively screwed up Costa Rica. They paid up. And yes, I will get the spelling right for 'Kolombia ' ! What I really meant was if I go to PTY or anywhere and paid $1,000,000 myself alone would not force up prices as one single monger. However, if many mongers did such than yes, what happened in CR could happen anywhere. I think we actually agree. Glad you enjoyed some ancient MX posts, I dropped the 3rd person writing style and the ' K's as well in recent years. The CR and DR reports all dissapeared when another board went under.

Shifty is a great word you chose for the Romanians, first one I did started negotiating her tip with my dick in her mouth, they never lose focus of the Benjamin's, or Euros in their case.

I'm not looking to pay over market or outbid anyone, I am a cheap J** by nature, but I would pay up as in rent an Elite girl for an hour at market price if you got great quality AND you got great looks and it was market rate; like anything I don't want to pay more than I have to, I'd rather fly home with it and put it towards a RT ticket to Frankfort! Or Berlin, Artemis was my favorite.

[Dickhead]

I would have said much the same thing to KK had I not remembered him from many years ago. It's true that Romanians are some of the shiftiest, and if he can handle them, he will probably be okay in PTY. And, since he won't be going to Colombia for a while, he will have plenty of time to learn how to spell it correctly. Although, he'll probably spell it Kolombia, but that is better than Kolumbia. He has some very funny posts from México going back ten years or so.

This attitude, however, is complete horseshit and is what messed up Costa Rica: "one guy paying $1, $10, $100 or $1,000,000 will not drive up prices however hundreds if not thousands of men paying more would. I am just one. So what I pay is irrelevant except to myself and the hooker. " It is indeed relevant, and if you want to come down and [CodeWord140] in the pond, you are on your own.

[Kosher Kowboy]

With that attitude your pocket will get raped! Change that or pay big! $100 for a 10 should be what you pay MAX, if you like maybe $300 all night! Don't make things bad for everyone by paying more and emptying your own pocket!


They just see an opportunity to dig for gold!

Perhaps your critisism is constructive in nature but this isn't my first rodeo.

I've seen plenty of Latin Americans, amongst a slew of other types of ladies in my life abroad and can hold my own. I actually find them (even the hot Columbian girls) very easy to negotiate with. Haven't been to Columbia yet (springtime) but they have been in just about every locale I have mongered in, even the FKK's. The Romanians are actually tougher, they toss curveballs and sinkers and sliders not just fastballs and underhanded softball pitches. The Columbians work all over the world. I'm not worried about my ATM card getting eaten alive, more woried about the mosquitos.

But one comment on prices, one guy paying $1, $10, $100 or $1,000,000 will not drive up prices however hundreds if not thousands of men paying more would. I am just one. So what I pay is irrelevant except to myself and the hooker. Every monger is their own boss, ' unions' don't exist and even the hookers who click together and promise not to budge always have several who will not conform and give in to the john.

That being said, I am interested in your ' 100 for a 10 being the max' one should pay comment. I can't imagine all the girls being 10's and if 100 seems to be one of the going rates +/- a few bucks for a Habano quality girl, does this mean I should pay no more than (please insert your suggested price here) for a girl who I consider a 5-8 ? Just curious.

If a 10 gets 100 than what is your price structure on the non 10's?

[TripAdvisor16]

I guess ' cheap mongering' as I put it was used more in a comparative way to what I've blown (had fun doing it) in the FKK clubs and prices in the USA. I apologize for the confusion. I've set 100/150 as my baseline for nighttime carry out and it looks like that is easy where others have kindly suggested.

However, I am interested in finding out the upper end be it 200 or 300 or whatever it may be and see if it is worth the difference in price / service between the Habano's / Veneto girls. If you can pay 200-300 and the girl you get is say 2-4 notches higher than a 100/150 girl on a scale of 1-10 than I would entertain that option othwerwise I'm more than content with the usual stops mentioned in many posts here.

Hope that clarifies and sorry if my original post was confusing. Perhaps what I am getting at is the price point delta between places like LE Palace and Elite (both suggested below) vs the 100/150 at Habano's / Veneto worth the difference in the opinion of Panama's regular and seasoned punters?

Hope that clears things up, thanks guys. I am not a fan of TLN, the massage parlors or even taking these girls to dinner or hanging out but to each their own I fully respect we all have our ways of playing and there exists no right or wrong, better or worse as we captain our own ships. . For me it is take one home, finish, go grab another one an hour later. But, I will pay up for a hour+ if the girl is an absolute knockout stunner that the majority of men would rate an 8+ otherwise a buck or buck and a half for the 5-8 range is fine.

Thanks.

KC.

With that attitude your pocket will get raped! Change that or pay big! $100 for a 10 should be what you pay MAX, if you like maybe $300 all night! Don't make things bad for everyone by paying more and emptying your own pocket!

If you don't adjust your mindset, they will [CodeWord123] your pocket! Take this advice and don't let them take you for an ATM machine! $ don't equate to a quality experience with these chicas!

They just see an opportunity to dig for gold!

[Dickhead]

I agree that the quality to price ratio is more consistent in terms of looks than in terms of service, although it's certainly not a tight correlation. Service is much more important to me than looks, I will say that. Looks have to meet a minimum standard, and then I focus pretty much entirely on service. That was less true when I was younger.

[Lucky Nuts]

Why no day game? I thought you was a player!

There you are chasing cuban pussy again.

Hey guys so I'm thinking of breaking out of sex prison one last time this year and heading over to PC. Do the chicas start thinning out in November and heading back home or does it usually happen beginning of December?

Hyatt looks so cheap these days and the tickets I'm getting for practically nothing with all my points.

Oh yeah I still had good day game last week. I just said it's very difficult and less than half the chicas want to come over before 7 so make sure you collect plenty of whatsapp numbers first night in town.

Got to love those Cubanas! Since they are in sort supply in Panama I'm going straight to the source in December. My second trip there.

To answer your question I think November is a perfectly good time to visit Panama.

[Lucky Nuts]

I agree with you partially (50%) . Value=Quality / price relates more to a good or item (sold on a shelf or catalogue) than a service (lawyer, hooker etc.). Their pussies, tits, mouths etc. Are fixed objects, they do not change w price paid yet their service levels definately do between various men. The guy who pays 100 for ' Rosa' gets the same pussy that the guy who pays 150 yet the guy paying 150 may (or may not) get better use of her pussy, this varying service quality unlike the non-changing physical quality is entirely different and not fixed. Quality with mongering must be broken in to two not a singular entity as you have done with the MX comment. One being looks, one being service. And you are correct, they do not always go hand in hand but one must separate the two rather than lump both in to one package. Sticking to the pussy, I'll answer you two ways. Yes, I've been to MX dozens and dozens of times and you are correct once again about the pussy throughout the world, not just Latin America. Dynamics remain the same be it in the USA, MX, AUS, GER and so on. My passport agrees with you fully. As to MX, you are right and you are wrong. (I don't mean that disrectfully, just discussing) There does exist a huge difference in price and quality when it comes to looks / body however when it comes to service what you say holds true 100%. Using the infamous now run down Boystown as an example, you had girls for $70 in say the club ' Papagayos' while you had girls in basic rooms for $20 when Boystown was hopping. And there was a huge difference between the $70 and $20 girls when it came to looks, such a gap that even Stevie Wonder would be able to see the difference. However when it comes to service, exactly what you said above held true, there was little to no difference in service levels. However, the girls making $70 were generally happier and did give better service than the $20 ones, they also had a much higher rate of PPS. Those two variables pulling at each other from opposite polar ends like a game of tug-of-war were always in play vs each other. So one could make an argument sometimes NOT always girls making more per act are happier and in turn SOME provide a better service but that has been debated for over a decade maybe two on these boards and others as have all the dynamics mentioned.

In Costa Rica the massage parlor girls were 50% the cost of a girl at the Del Ray but the service level often exceeded that of those at the Del Ray. Exactly as you say, and those familiar with the old Beetle Bar in Jaco know that the same girls work there on the weekends that work the Del Ray during the week yet raise their prices and give shittier service in Jaco. Thats where your opinion of the concept of price elasticity of demand comes in, and you are correct. I will even add to your correct theory in yet another split dynamic; that you get the same girl providing two diff price points AND two diff levels of service all depending on whether they are in the Del Ray in San Juan or the Beetle Bar on the fancy west coast of CR. So we have two types of quality, looks and service, and in the CR example a split dynamic of location adding to the mix as the other variables (same girl) are the same. The john also is entirely different, more blue collar in SJ yet white collar in Jaco thus driving up demand / amount willing to pay and the impetus behind the exact same girls providing a diff service and charging more based on the ' suits' on CR's west coast. Maybe things changed in Jaco, been over 10 years, heard it wasn't the same.

But when we discuss quality in this little game we play, two qualities exist, that of looks and that of service and the two as most know do not always go hand in hand either. What I am getting at here is not the service level you get in PTY as price goes up. Simply put:

' In the experience of Panama City's experienced mongers, if you pay more at a place like Elite is the girl better looking in general than if you pay less at Habano's? ' (this question intentionally leaves out all aspects of service).

Quality of service not asking about, simply looks. Service I will negotiate on my own. I think the seasoned mongers can sniff out the scammers 90% of the time, always a risk, one I am willing to and enjoy taking. I like a good challenge.

I appreciate the replies, hell if you are in PTY when I am I'll buy drinks and a dinner if anyone is game.

Respectfully,

KC.

I found a stunner one night at Elite and paid the big bucks for her. It wasn't impulsive either. I had to go back to my hotel room and get the money then return to Elite. But I was "stunned" at how beautiful this chica was and how she danced the pole. The next day I was very sorry I did it and I've never returned to Elite since. The problem is that the cost is not a "little more" for a "little hotter" chica. It's a crazy amount something like $450 total. So I don't go there to be tempted anymore. There are equally hot chicas at Habanos but of course they also get scooped up the quickest. The best nights to score the hottest chicas are M,Tu, & W. Thursday is party night for groups of business guys in town and the place is jammed. From my experience the weekends have the fewest chicas but I haven't been there on a weekend in over a year so can't say if things might have changed.

[Kosher Kowboy]

KK, I know you've been to Mxico, but did you notice that there is almost no relationship between price and quality there? That is true throughout Latin America. It's true of pussy. It's true of hotels. It's true of restaurants. The whole concept of Value = Quality divided by Price is anathema, as is the concept of price elasticity of demand.

So if you want to pay twice as much, don't expect anything better!

I agree with you partially (50%) . Value=Quality / price relates more to a good or item (sold on a shelf or catalogue) than a service (lawyer, hooker etc.). Their pussies, tits, mouths etc. Are fixed objects, they do not change w price paid yet their service levels definately do between various men. The guy who pays 100 for ' Rosa' gets the same pussy that the guy who pays 150 yet the guy paying 150 may (or may not) get better use of her pussy, this varying service quality unlike the non-changing physical quality is entirely different and not fixed. Quality with mongering must be broken in to two not a singular entity as you have done with the MX comment. One being looks, one being service. And you are correct, they do not always go hand in hand but one must separate the two rather than lump both in to one package. Sticking to the pussy, I'll answer you two ways. Yes, I've been to MX dozens and dozens of times and you are correct once again about the pussy throughout the world, not just Latin America. Dynamics remain the same be it in the USA, MX, AUS, GER and so on. My passport agrees with you fully. As to MX, you are right and you are wrong. (I don't mean that disrectfully, just discussing) There does exist a huge difference in price and quality when it comes to looks / body however when it comes to service what you say holds true 100%. Using the infamous now run down Boystown as an example, you had girls for $70 in say the club ' Papagayos' while you had girls in basic rooms for $20 when Boystown was hopping. And there was a huge difference between the $70 and $20 girls when it came to looks, such a gap that even Stevie Wonder would be able to see the difference. However when it comes to service, exactly what you said above held true, there was little to no difference in service levels. However, the girls making $70 were generally happier and did give better service than the $20 ones, they also had a much higher rate of PPS. Those two variables pulling at each other from opposite polar ends like a game of tug-of-war were always in play vs each other. So one could make an argument sometimes NOT always girls making more per act are happier and in turn SOME provide a better service but that has been debated for over a decade maybe two on these boards and others as have all the dynamics mentioned.

In Costa Rica the massage parlor girls were 50% the cost of a girl at the Del Ray but the service level often exceeded that of those at the Del Ray. Exactly as you say, and those familiar with the old Beetle Bar in Jaco know that the same girls work there on the weekends that work the Del Ray during the week yet raise their prices and give shittier service in Jaco. Thats where your opinion of the concept of price elasticity of demand comes in, and you are correct. I will even add to your correct theory in yet another split dynamic; that you get the same girl providing two diff price points AND two diff levels of service all depending on whether they are in the Del Ray in San Juan or the Beetle Bar on the fancy west coast of CR. So we have two types of quality, looks and service, and in the CR example a split dynamic of location adding to the mix as the other variables (same girl) are the same. The john also is entirely different, more blue collar in SJ yet white collar in Jaco thus driving up demand / amount willing to pay and the impetus behind the exact same girls providing a diff service and charging more based on the ' suits' on CR's west coast. Maybe things changed in Jaco, been over 10 years, heard it wasn't the same.

But when we discuss quality in this little game we play, two qualities exist, that of looks and that of service and the two as most know do not always go hand in hand either. What I am getting at here is not the service level you get in PTY as price goes up. Simply put:

' In the experience of Panama City's experienced mongers, if you pay more at a place like Elite is the girl better looking in general than if you pay less at Habano's? ' (this question intentionally leaves out all aspects of service).

Quality of service not asking about, simply looks. Service I will negotiate on my own. I think the seasoned mongers can sniff out the scammers 90% of the time, always a risk, one I am willing to and enjoy taking. I like a good challenge.

I appreciate the replies, hell if you are in PTY when I am I'll buy drinks and a dinner if anyone is game.

Respectfully,

KC.

[Dickhead]

Otherwise it's a farmers market. You pay what the vendor asks for, and not necessarily based on any metric of quality.

Who the hell pays what the vendor asks for at a farmer's market? Oh, wait a minute; I know: people who are uncomfortable with negotiating / bargaining, or with turning their back on someone and walking away. Hey, I'm from the US too, and it's not natural to me, either. But I do it, and if you don't, you get eaten alive in Latin America.

[Dickhead]

KK, I know you've been to México, but did you notice that there is almost no relationship between price and quality there? That is true throughout Latin America. It's true of pussy. It's true of hotels. It's true of restaurants. The whole concept of Value = Quality divided by Price is anathema, as is the concept of price elasticity of demand. That is why you see businesses throughout Latin America raise prices when business is slow. That is why you see chicas go home alone at closing time, rather than accept a reduced price for a product that is similar to an airline seat in that it expires. This probably dates back to the time of Hernán Cortés, because the Spaniards could never figure out that extracting and importing more and more gold and silver, while continuing to produce nothing, only increased the money supply and thus the price level, since the supply of goods did not increase commensurately. Hence the failure of mercantilism. It took the wise Scot, Adam Smith, to point this out in his Treatise on Silver. That was published 240 years ago and they still do not get it in Latin America, which is why they are doomed to economic failure forever.

So if you want to pay twice as much, don't expect anything better!