2005 Archived Reports

[Belgrath]

No Deep French Kissing is usually not too much of an issue for me since I just cant ignore where else chica's mouths have been... Especially since you cant french em with dental dams or whatever and still have it be enjoyable. Kissing me or them on the chest neck side of the face is no problem as long as I dont see have any cuts, abrasions or breaks of the skin. The skin on the gums is so thin that theres always a tiny bit of bleeding with brushing or flossing so I'm paranoid cause all it takes is one virus... Besides, also paranoid about oral herpes, and mono since I never got it as a teenager. A coworker near me got mono as an adult not long ago and it knocked him out of work for a few weeks! Hard to hide that from the wife or gf.

[Country John]

Last weekend I hooked up with Betty ...... I asked if GFE was provided including DF and alas it was not.

Chef Dude, sounds like the session went well despite no GFE. Usually repeat sessions bring on the GFE and when the Latina brings on a GFE, it is a very cool experience.

If she behaved well, and if the age issue was not a turn-off, you might re-consider a repeat because you got a good rate. There is no substitute for the Latina (in any case) and especially of you turn on the GFE.

If Age is NOT an issue and you have no problems with the 30ish crowd, you MUST see Tania the Legend. She's a bit pricy at *.5 but you will not regret it. Full on GFE and expert performance that makes any gringa experience pale in comparison. Ahhhhh the Latina. Ahhhh Tania.

Country John

[Chef Dude]

Last weekend I hooked up with Betty from CL (San Diego, keyword Betty or Tijuana). The rate is $$$ for 3 hours with multiple pops. Pics and description said she was 25, petite.

I hooked up with her at the Mickey D’s in TJ. I asked her to ware a skirt and heels and she did. She was not bad but she had to be 30 at least. Took me to Hotel were I paid $58 for a Jacuzzi Suite. I must say the room was a suite and it was quite nice. When booking I asked if GFE was provided including DF and alas it was not.

Everything was covered and Betty was quite nice. The Jacuzzi was great and she accompanied me back to the border. All in all I had a nice time. Made me think what I’m missing from the Far East. I would do it again but with someone else.

[Country John]

Cuntry John,

You are the Inspector Clouseau of this board. Bumbling and stumbling about with complete naivete . However I find it hilarious that you are rountinely taken by teenage chicas with equivalent 5th grade educations.

I'm glad you are amused. I retrospect I am amused too.

First, you apparently made an unintentional error in getting the name right. For future reference it's Country John. For someone who appears to be concerned with writing style I am puzzled as to how you would miss that one. I guess it's just another way of saying: "look at me!" Maybe it was the anxiety from "suffering" through the posts. Then again, it might have been intentional in which case I would have two words for you.

Out of respect for Jackson and the members, I'll restrain myself and refrain from engaging in a flaming session. I'll simply reply to your post.

Anyone with half a brain and any experience knows that the girls don't learn the craft in school my friend, they learn it on the street. Some are in high school, some are in college but this craft is not taught at any level of organized education, none that I am aware of but maybe it is, perhaps you can enlighten us.

Someone with your apparent insight should already know that though. It doesn't matter if you fuck a girl with a grade 5 level education or in nursing school (as I have), the session is the session. But you already know that too -right?

Did you take mongering classes in school? Do you have any experience? If so where did you get it? Sunday school? I think not. You lost all credibility with that one. Thanks for playing.

It's amazing to me you have managed to survive this long, you must have a guardian angel. Between the pot smoking and going into bars and places you have no business in and have no knowlege of , not understanding anything of the culture and having no clue as to the language.

Stick around, by the time you become a "senior member" you might learn a thing or two. You got me on the Pot thing though. Be careful that you do not assume to much. I've been around longer than you think. Why not chime in with your credentials? Your assumption of what I know and what I do not know about the Mexican culture is speculative at best and poor judgement at worst.

Whats not funny is the way you assign yourself various status as though this was some sort of game your playing although for you it obviously is just that, a game. Thats fitting because you have the mental acuity of a ten year old. The crime is you're so bad at it.

Well, let's take a look at that. Yes, it's a game. We bring our money, the girls bring their pussy and we try to get as much pussy for as little money as possible. What "game" are you playing? Hit the Zona with no "game" and you'll soon learn what it's all about. But you already know that right?

I can "assign myself" any status I want. There's nothing wrong with that. You don't think it's funny? Sorry you are not amused and I was unaware that I was offending anyone. You have my profound apology.

I'll try to be more sensitive to certain members of this board in the future and refrain from posting bullshit posts about things that are nothing more than brain farts and baseless opinions that do nothing more than illustrates one's ignorance as to what this board is about and what the Zona is about; not to mention plain old poor manners. I suggest you do the same

I look forward to more stories in the future about your feeble attempts to wade through your mid life crisis via Tijuana although your writing style is without imagination and quite insufferable. I will be rooting for the chicas.

OK. You'll see them. That from a guy who seems to have difficulty suffering though a writing style that lacks imagination, how then would you look forward to more? The chicas do not know how rich they are to have Queer Juan rooting for them. I'll be sure to let them know.

Your choice of handles might be indicative of your own particular mid-life crisis but I'll leave you to that, and you should know that it will be my pleasure to post for your benefit and humor.

As you "suffer" though my postings, keep this in mind: I TLN'd/TLD'd/TLN'd/TLD'd/TLN'd and TLD'd for $100. this weekend. Now let's hear your story. While I respect your right to be arrogant and post your opinion, your forum for flaming should be PM's as such behavior sends the wrong message to other members. Maybe one day we'll have a beer and laugh about it. I'll buy.

Thanks for playing.

Country John

[Belgrath]

This logging you out while typing is getting old. Sorry if this is a double post.

Heheh well at least he's experiencing all kinds of new things and places that he'll remember years from now. Besides these chicas may not be school smart but they've all had years of dealing with horny mexican men ever since they hit puberty and additionally lots of street smarts from 'the life'. They know how to use their amazing young body parts to activate the brain override switch in most men pretty easily so he shouldn't feel too foolish. You gotta experience life with all it's bumps and bruises as well as the shaking like a leaf orgas#$% to really know you're living.

Besides save the preaching for church, and post what if any adventures or misadventures you've had lately QJ. Like last night I had a chica give me the I'm her novio crap last night too though I just simply told her she doesnt need one, she's just 22 and making BIG bucks in the alley and probably could for years if she stuck it out and then would easily be able to fullfill her dreams of having a beauty shop later if she doesnt get tied down with kids and men. Or save her heart for a decent fairly well off mexican dude cause all us mongers down here are just dogs in heat. I wonder how many dumb would be sugar daddys she'll eventually line up since she is pretty dang cute? My wingman met his mexican vampiress last night and came back with some pretty impressive marks on his neck again.

Chicas are like restaurants, you have favorites, some you don't like their fare/arent impressed with, or get bored with after you've tried a few dishes, and you try new ones all the time. But you don't want to really buy a restaurant because you like what they serve you.

EDITOR'S SUGGESTION: I always suggest to everyone who is writing a long report that they write it in a word processing program first, then proofread and spell check, then save it as file on their computer, AND THEN copy and paste it into the forum.

With this method, there is no danger of losing your work, and besides, it's easier to write in a real word procession program first. Even if you're in an Internet Cafe computer with no word processing program installed, you can always use Notepad or WordPad. Thanks!

[Queer Juan]

Cuntry John,

You are the Inspector Clouseau of this board. Bumbling and stumbling about with complete naivete . However I find it hilarious that you are rountinely taken by teenage chicas with equivalent 5th grade educations.

It's amazing to me you have managed to survive this long, you must have a guardian angel. Between the pot smoking and going into bars and places you have no business in and have no knowlege of , not understanding anything of the culture and having no clue as to the language.

Whats not funny is the way you assign yourself various status as though this was some sort of game your playing although for you it obviously is just that, a game. Thats fitting because you have the mental acuity of a ten year old. The crime is you're so bad at it.

I look forward to more stories in the future about your feeble attempts to wade through your mid life crisis via Tijuana although your writing style is without imagination and quite insufferable. I will be rooting for the chicas.

[Blue Nose]

Jesus H. Christ Sr. This is Tuff Guy Level 3 stuff and I want the stinkin badge.

I find out that the girl I'm in lub with has been sessioning another monger who gets the same story that I do (she lubs me, wants to be my novia solo, no mas Rio Verde, no mas hombres etc.). I decide to drop a bomb on her at our dinner date (I know you have otra novio) and send her home in a cab etc.

That's right, guys. The third person in this bizarre love triangle with Country John and his new fav is none other than yours truly, Senor Blue. I have been communicating with CJ via back channel, and I wanted to take a moment to throw in my side of the story. CJ, hopefully this can fill in some gaps and answer some questions for you. The rest of you guys, if you like soap operas, can just sit back and LOL.

Let me start off by saying that in the year or so that I have "known" Country John (despite never having met him in person) this is not the first instance of us having a lot in common. First off, we are both originally from the same neck of the woods, but now live in SoCal. The next thing in common is a chica named Salma, who works at Miami / HK. I met her about a week after CJ did last autumn, and she quickly became my good friend, and CJ's longtime fav. She comes and goes from la zona and we always update each other when she is around. She's a great girl, and I find it ironic that she became mixed up in all this when she went with CJ to La Fogota. Country John - the circle is complete.

Never, however, in my wildest dreams did I imagine that we would both end up with the same "novia" in the zone who ends up two timing on both of us (and who knows who else?) I guess CJ & I have been hanging around TJ for too long because we both had the same sort of plans for her - to set her up and give her some money so that we would have a regular in TJ. In my case, nothing formal or long term, just a casual relationship with a TJ chica.

OK, now for all the gory details: Like CJ, I met her at Bar Rio Verde, but in late June of this year. I hadn't been to RV in a while, but I thought I'd stop in one night to check out the action. The place was packed that night, and there were very few avaialble women (Rio Verde gets like this on weekends, and it can sometimes take an hour or two to find a girl you like). The ones who were available were either not to my taste or were trying to ficha fuck me (another very common thing at RV). I was about to leave when I saw her at the bar getting a glass of water. She looked great - a nice slim girl with a cute face and a charming smile. I grabbed her and bought her her the requisite fichas and before long we were hitting it off pretty well. She speaks no English, but with my halting Spanish I was able to communicate with her that I would like her to come back to the Hotel Nelson with me. Nothing was said about TLN, and she gladly accepted $50 + $10 bar fine (bar fine at RV seems to vary between $10 & $15).

Well, back we went, and on the short walk back she was as quiet as a mouse, and didn't make much eye contact with me. By the time we got to my room, I was sure I'd made a mistake and that this session was going to be a dud. Boy, was I wrong. Once the clothes came off, she was a dynamo. This quiet woman became like an uncaged tiger in the bedroom. She gave an awesome BBBJ, and then wanted me to fuck her bareback. She told me that she doesn't go to the hroom from Rio Verde (yeah, right), but I was naturally cautious since we were, after all, in la zona. I decided to take a pass on the barebacking, but she was still really into the session. She said that she hadn't been with a guy for six months, and this really turned me on. Like CJ, I believed her (or wanted to).

Anyway, I really gave it to her that night, and she just couldn't get enough. I was penetrating her as deeply as I could, and she was still screaming "mas" and "rico" in my ear. This girl loves sex, or is one hell of an actress. Alas, I came all too quickly and after a taste of her sexual wares of course I wanted more. I invited her to stick around and she gladly agreed. No mention of money or anything, she seemed to want to hang out for the night.

The next two sessions were just as awesome. On session number three, she was all over the bed - sideways, upside down, on top, backwards - sucking, fucking and moaning. On the third session, she motioned to me to fuck her from the side. As I was positioning myself she grabbed me, and took me into her ass. At first I was so shocked that I wasn't sure if she really wanted it. Then she started to moan and hump me, so I just went for it.

Exhausted, we fell asleep and I woke up again around 5am to her feeling my crotch and giving Mr. Happy a massage. It is hard to get a decent sleep at the Nelson since the mariachis hang out by the arch all night - I have been woken up at odd hours to them playing, and now is no exception. She starts a slow dance to the music for me, and before I know it I am inside her again for another awesome session. After falling back asleep, we woke up and she gave me a really nice massage that ended up with her giving me a really nice blow job. Her tongue went everywhere and explored everything. When I finally was about to cum I gave her fair warning, but she wanted to take it on her face.

Anyway, after session 1 I was hooked. I took her to breakfast and then drove her home. I was headed to Ensenada that day and invited her along. She wanted to come, but had to take care of her kids (who had been with her sister, I believe, all night). She didn't have a phone, but I gave her my number and then agreed to hook up with her again the next weekend.

Well, as luck would have it, my plans changed and I didn't make it down again for another two or three weeks. By now it is mid-July, and I haven't seen her for a while. I went back to Rio Verde and fortunately for me she was still there. We had some great sessions over the course of the summer. One time I went to RV, and they told me she had worked the day shift. This turned out to be untrue, so I missed her around the end of July / early August. Around this time, I think, is when CJ entered the picture. By then, I was calling her my novia and making plans for the future. The first one involved taking her on a nice trip to either Cabos or Cancun. It was expensive but I knew she would reward me tenfold. Anyway, the last time I saw her was two weeks ago, and the session was nothing short of remarkable.

She gave me a four pop throughout the course of the evening and into the next day. She likes anal in a variety of positions, and at one point I felt like I was humping a porn star - that's how good she was. And remember that she kept telling me that I was the only one. She didn't leave the bar with anybody elese. I was her novio. I was in heaven. For me, this is as good as it gets. Then my world came crashing down.

I returned from my trip and read Country John's post. I hadn't been posting much this summer, because I figured that once you find a novia, nobody really wants to hear about it, and it doesn't really benefit anybody. Again, I was wrong. I knew right after reading CJ's post that we were both doing the same girl. Everything from where she was from originally to where she lived in TJ to her age and the number of kids she had seemed to line up. I PM'd CJ to let him know my suspicions. Houston, we have a problem.

CJ knew right away too. At that point, he started to lay down his elabortate trap at La Fogota. At one point, the plan was for both of us to be at La Fogota when she showed up for her birthday dinner, but I couldn't make it. I bet it was a lot more fun with Salma there, and I would have loved to see that act. As I mentioned to CJ, all women get jealous, but Latinas in particular take jealousy to new levels (I have seen the TJ bar girls stare daggers at one another when a guy blows off one girl to buy another a ficha). I am surprised that there wasn't a cat fight right there in the restaurant.

Anyway, that's how it happened on my end. I haven't seen her since, and I have not been to TJ in two weeks. After everything that happened, I am taking a bit of a break. I guess part of me knew that she was banging other people, but I just didn't want to believe it. I got burned a little, and so did a fellow monger. Fortunately, neither one of us had invested a huge amount of capital in her yet. Whatever I gave her was repaid to me in a way that I will never forget.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. Truer words were never spoken. I think there are many lessons for us mongers in this dramatic affair. True to form, I have just reported the facts as I recall them and I will let you draw your own conclusions with minimal proselytizing from me.

I'm down but not out. I'll be back in la zona before you know it. See you there.

Blue Nose

[Country John]

I think this is one of biggest myths in the 3rd world pay-4-play market -- that girls have to prostitute themselves to "feed their families."

Thanks Fartknocker and you are right in almost all cases but it's impossible to say that it's true in 100% of the cases. I have first hand knowledge of some girls who do fuck for food.

Again, I think yo are right in the vast majority of cases. TJ is a magnet for girls from all over Mexico (and in some cases the USA). Many come here to fuck their countrymen but the countrymen think they are fucking some exotic Mexican girly. Especially at places like Adelitas and Chicago Club. They forget the english language and make up some story about being from Mexico City or Monterrey when they are really from San Diego or Long Beach.

Very funny stuff to watch them kick their game on the mongers who think they'ere getting something right off the bus from Pueblo. I actually know some of these girls so don't tell me I'm wrong.

As for the girls who are feeding their families, I also have first hand knowledge of this in several instances.

I've been around for a while too and I don;t want you to think I'm shooting at you, lots of guys on this and other boards have the girls stereotyped so I understand but I do not agree. (Respectfully of course.)

Country John

[WulfgarX]

Aww his posts are the only thing that keeps me amused during my lunch break.

Its like watching a soap opera =)

Country John,

Please take your posts somewhere else.

[One Wing Low]

That looks like what CJ is trying to get with the chica in TJ. It would be a great deal if anyone can pull it off and keep it for any length of time.

The chica by herself would be struggling with a $150/week budget in TJ, left alone her family. Besides, she can make that much every night hooking, which would be too much a temptation.

There are many questions here. What kinds of chicas would settle for this kind of arrangement? What does one have to promise the chicas to get this deal?

[QUOTE=Country John]If she wants to work that's fine, just don't tell me she's not and expect me to buy that bullshit. If it turns out she is not working and my $150 a week is good for her then I can handle that too.[QUOTE]

[Fartknocker]

A lot of mongers think that the girls are there because they want to be and many are. Many are there to feed the family and would rather not fuck for money.

Hey, Fartknocker here barging in from the Brazil forums. Thought I'd stick in my dois centavos.

I think this is one of biggest myths in the 3rd world pay-4-play market -- that girls have to prostitute themselves to "feed their families."

Nonsense. I've lived in Brazil -- a country where the average income is quite a bit less than Mexico -- and I've known a lot of single moms who manage to make it WITHOUT selling themselves. It is tough, no doubt about it, and these women don't live well, but they do make ends meet and they do so while maintaining their morals and self-respect.

Women in the 3rd wold become hookers for the same reason that pretty girls in the US become escorts. The money is REALLY good, and if you can stand having sex with old fat guys, the work really isn't that hard. They don't use that money to pay for college tuition for their kids. They buy cars, cell phones, clothes, shoes (lotsa shoes -- latin women have a thing about shoes), etc. One thing John said above was true: they would rather not fuck for they money. They would rather that you GIVE them the money and not fuck them, and unfortunately a lot of suckers out there get conned into doing just that.

Getting you to feel sorry for them is a big part of their scam. Don't fall for it. A TJ hooker makes a hell of a lot more money, and lives a far better life, than the vast majority of single women in Mexico. She's not selling her ass for survival, she's selling it so she can live a lifestyle that would normally be out of her reach. Don't pay one cent for those alligator tears, guys.

[Country John]

Sad to hear the first one didnt work out though like I said, a real relationship... business or romantic is pretty rare in the zona. Asking a girl who is still in her moneymaking prime to just give up the life and the easy money is really a potshot unless youve known her for awhile and seen she is getting old/tired of it. Too many lady sharks who try to string up sugar daddys with false promises of 'youre the only one' or 'youre my favorite' while you're in sight. Just gotta remember her actions when you dont have much money to spend on her or in are trouble cause then the true colors show.

Anyways since you say you dont really want a relationship with a girl other than just sex, it's best not to really get attached to them and demand they quit the biz as if they loved you. Just keep it like a good regular friend you see every so often to screw her brains out and hang around with sometimes and not worry about what she does when youre not there. 99% of the time you're not gonna like the answer. It's not worth the hassle and the pain. One favorita I've seen for about 1 1/2 years and I figure she'll be making good money for at least 7-10 more years. So developing any personal feelings about her would be stupid till way after she's out of the biz on her own and by then, she might long be just a pleasent memory to me.

Good sound advice. That's how I'm playing it with the girl. A lot of mongers think that the girls are there because they want to be and many are. Many are there to feed the family and would rather not fuck for money. Yes you sex crazed bastards, it's true. Some really would rather not be there. Trouble is how would you know if you ran into one? The truth is you don't. Probably never will. Interesting is that they see us as uncaring slobs who know they are at a disadvantage (we have the money) and so the only way to get our money is to fuck us (one way or the other).

The majority of the girls are resigned to sex for money and have accepted the trade off as a business proposition. So have we.

Still a good post my friend. You have a clear perspective.

Country John

[Country John]

Country John,

Please take your posts somewhere else.

I'll take that under submission and think about it.

OK, thought about it..... no.

Country John

[Late Night]

Country John,

Please take your posts somewhere else.

[Belgrath]

Sad to hear the first one didnt work out though like I said, a real relationship... business or romantic is pretty rare in the zona. Asking a girl who is still in her moneymaking prime to just give up the life and the easy money is really a potshot unless youve known her for awhile and seen she is getting old/tired of it. Too many lady sharks who try to string up sugar daddys with false promises of 'youre the only one' or 'youre my favorite' while you're in sight. Just gotta remember her actions when you dont have much money to spend on her or in are trouble cause then the true colors show.

Anyways since you say you dont really want a relationship with a girl other than just sex, it's best not to really get attached to them and demand they quit the biz as if they loved you. Just keep it like a good regular friend you see every so often to screw her brains out and hang around with sometimes and not worry about what she does when youre not there. 99% of the time you're not gonna like the answer. It's not worth the hassle and the pain. One favorita I've seen for about 1 1/2 years and I figure she'll be making good money for at least 7-10 more years. So developing any personal feelings about her would be stupid till way after she's out of the biz on her own and by then, she might long be just a pleasent memory to me.