2005 Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Liucio]

KNIFEFISH,

You are right:

"I also remember going back 7-10 years ago. Back then All Night was the default deal."

Now theses guys at MEI PETACA leave at 10pm with the garota and she's back at the table within 60mins. And her hair is still wet.

In my research I have also heard these riculous stories while sitting at those tables. I sat with one guy who said he was a Record Producer. He was dressed and had on 3 rings and I thick bracelet.

He was talking about how much he drops in 10 days in RIO. He pays R$300 for all nighters. He had the table packed with 6 GAROTAS and the table was covered with 2 bottles of some hard liquor. He says he's the TOP DAWG when he's down there and that sometimes he doesn't even BANG when they return to his room.

After sitting at those tables too long you start to think everyone there is full of SH*T.

I interviewed a Garota that was hired to perform in an adult video. She said because of her talents and after making the video she would not go back to charging less than R$300. And yes in my eyes she eas a 10, and the guys at BARBARELL'S also though she was a 10.

She was charging R$300 for a short time NOT all night.

And about an hour later sure enough she was hired by guy and they left.

[Jaimito Cartero]

I'm so glad i purchased my ticket to Rio last week for about 825 because the price of oil is 60.00 a friggin barrell now, which means the airlines are going to continue to raise fares to Brazil. .

As long as there is competition between airlines, then the fares will be stable. While fuel is a major cost to airlines, it is still behind both labor and equipment as costs.

Generally fuel is no more than 20% of the total costs for airlines. So a 20% increase in fuels only translates to a 4% increase in ticket prices. They will cry about it, as it is a big cost, but it doesn't equate a 25% increase.

If you fly alot, then you should be able to go to Brazil for free. Last year my frequent flyer program announced an increase in miles to fly to Brazil. They were going from 35,000 miles to 50,000. I scooped up tickets to EZE and GRU at the old rates. I earn 35k miles every month or two, so it's not a bad deal.

[RonnyRon]

Luicio,

The fundemental difference between myself and many others who travel to Rio is this. Mindset. I recognize that when I get off the plane, I am a highly sought after commodity. You ask the question "Are you being turned down a lot because of the price you are offering?" The anwser is simply. No. Why? Because I never begin the conversation with money as a topic. In fact many times money never comes up. I always give them something because I know for them it is work, but no one said work can't be fun. I take them to breakfast, lunch or dinner. It really just depends on her attitude, which I find more often than not is good.

I approach women there the same way I approach women here. The difference is there I have a great deal more leverage. If all you want to do is f**k them and they know that, by all means start the conversation with money. I just go and have fun. Go to the movies. I bet few guys know that the movies are actually in English with Portuguese sub titles.

Yes most of the women were $R150.00 or less. Some of the terma ask you to pay for the women's company in cash. I have never paid more than $R100.00 the rest I put on my credit card, unless of course I took two.

Since, we all have difference taste in women. A 10 for you may not be a 10 for me. Don't know how many I missed. I just know there will be a whole new crew when I get back and NO, I would never even think of paying $R300.00 to be with a women for an hour.

RonnyRon

[Sunset Strip]

Carrib is 100% correct. A lot of the discussion here lately has been futile. And, yes, many of you have allowed people such as Macu to shift the discussion into areas that do not normally recive this much coverage.

I am in Rio now and see thîngs the way Carrib does. People are paying ¨too much¨because they are impatient and let their little head do the thinking, then afterwards they come on this site and complain. How can you complain about prices being too high when nobody is forcing you to have sex with the girls?

I was in Meia Pataca last night and many girls thought I was new. But once they saw I would not buy them drinks or food they got the picture and left me alone. I was perfectly fine getting drunk alone, watching their asses, and waiting until I decided to invite one over. It is much cheaper this way. However, most guys cannot do this and the girls know it as Carrib says. They take the guy for as much as possible.

You guys should remember what the Republicans use to say about drugs and apply it to many of the girls in Rio by Just Saying No!

It is a buyer´s market as long as you use your brains and not your penis.

Have fun,

TJ

[Macunaima]

"University professors providing colorful comentary on mongering-stick to Anthro and Brazilian culture in general--there are guys here who have PHDs in mongering."

Great! I need a post-doc advisor, so anyone who has a PhD in mongering should feel free to contact me. :-p

Here's how Copacabana pricing works, as far as I can figure it, from the woman's perspective. Now there are a lot of individual exceptions to this, so please don't take this as a hard and fast rule: it's really a set of guidelines.

Ultimately, pricing is controlled by the native market.

When a woman pulls a bad night at Help, she has two choices: go home or go to the Xepa. If she's been doing well this month, she'll probably go home. If it's coming towards bill paying time, she'll head for the Xepa.

The Xepa is so named for a character in an old telenovela, "Dona Xepa", who always showed up at the end of the market in order to get the best prices. The Xepa for the Copa pros is to walk the Caio Prado area street strip in homes of turning some cash with a quick fuck or blow-job with some filhinho de papai on the way back from a party.

Prices for the Xepa range from 15 reais for a quick in-car blow-job or 50 for an hour-long fuck at a near-by motel (lots of variables enter here, but this seems to be the range). The disadvantage of the xepa from the pro's viewpoint is that these guys almost always treat her worse than the gringo mongers. The advantage is that a xepa is a wham-bam-thank-you-mam kind of thing and it's over quick, with money changing hands.

What pros hate WORSE than working the Xepa is sitting all night at some damned gringo's table and then getting nothing out of him. They realize that the illusion of being surrounded by hundreds of willing women is a big reason why gringos come to Copa. But they also realize that this tends to generate situations where they have to sit or hours listening to some guy blather on in English ot Italian or what have you, only to be dumped at the last minute with the entire night going to waste. They HATE this.

So when you're playing coy with a pro, one of things running through her head is "OK. How likely is it that this guy is just wasting my time in order to feel like a big man? If he's whining like this now, imagine all the little games that are going to be played between here and his hotel. Plus, maybe he's going to want me to stick around for an hour or so before going and an hour or so after. It's now 2 AM. If I get my ass out to the Xepa now, I can probably turn 50-200 reais worth of tricks by 4AM and go HOME. If I stay around here with this clown, not only am I lowering my price to the point where it'll be about equal to the Xepa anyhow, but I'll have to put up with him for several more hours as well. Fuck it. Maybe I should just leave now."

For this reason, most of these women won't go under 100 reais a trick unless they are very desperate. And they certainly won't spend the night for that price. At about 2AM, the xepa begins to loom as a relatively attractive option for any woman with a degree of cash in the bank.

Carib sez:

"These girls are smart"

...and then he says...

"One of them, it was her first time."

Which is, of course, the oldest pro line on the strip. Maybe it was, but I HIGHLY doubt it. Girls usually do not arrive in Copa without having had some market based experiences elsewhere, even if it's only selling blow-jobs to highschool kids out in Irajá. Of course, they DO know that you guys LOVE the thought that you are breaking a girl into the life. Every pro I've ever interviewed has claimed that she's used the "I'm new here" line when she thought she could profit by it.

[Carrib]

This is fucking ridiculous---we have guys bitching about paying in reals in a Brazilian termas no less...others bitching about prices the girls charge. University professors providing colorful comentary on mongering-stick to Anthro and Brazilian culture in general--there are guys here who have PHDs in mongering.

There are too many women in rio--much more than u can fuck and overpay. Jusy think about it guys...For those of you who have actually traveled to Brazil and mongered.. even those of you that never leave Avenida Atlantica...you've got the beach, Meia Pattaca, Help, and Monte Carlo. How many times have you left the country with several numbers of babes that you did not have time to fuck?...Or come back intending to fuck a garota with some special skills only to get sidetracked by new superstars? FUCK THE GAROTA CARTEL

Set your price, and DO NOT budge. 200 reals TLN. She wants more? walk away. Its okay to retire for the night without taking a *****. Then YOU can develop a rep of not paying more than R150-200. what happens is that you pay your rate and the other stupidos pay R300-500 and up!

Dont forget to talk shit, flirt (working knowledge of portuguese is needed)

These girls are smart:

This past April I was in Rio with a couple of friends, some of them newbies to Rio. They decided to invite some girls they met at Solarium the night before. Mind you this is about 2am in the morning I am in midstroke with a babe. A knock on my door, come negotiate. Translate: FUCK!

Carrib: Ok my friends would like you guys to stay the rest of the night. How much?

Girls: Ok sure. 500 reals each.

Carrib: Are you serious?

Girls: Well you paid 150 reals per hour at Solarium.

Carrib: This isn't Solarium. 200 reals until 9am for a festinah or you can leave.

Girls: Ok then we'll leave but we need money for a taxi.

Carrib: LOL. Slams the door

This is in Belo at Crystals.

It was about @2:30am and there was this tall stunner with whom I started a brief convo. After the prelims, here are you from, you look good blah blah.

Carrib: How much?

GDP: R300

Carrib: Huh? is that for the rest of the night?

GDP: No, for 2 hours.

Carrib: LOL!

Carrib went home alone that evening.

See guys its not that hard!

On the other hand, back in Rio I found 2 absolutely gorgeous amateurs on their way to HELP. To make a long story short. They work at a store in centro and prob make @60 reals a week. During negotiations my buddy broke down (fucker got impatient) and offered R200 for the night after my girl had agreed to R150. But we fucked both and they left around 8:30am the next morning after some more action.

Moral of this story? For every garota charging 300R+ there are always fresh young stars ready for the draft The prob is some idiot will offer these girls $200-300 USD and they will be spoiled forever. One of them told me some NBA dude paid her 30 reals to take her picture while she was at the store! Just think about it. She prob thought "gee I make about 50-60 reals per week, and the wheels start spinning. Before long they will be full time programa girls and as soon as I confirm this I will post their pics. One of them, it was her first time.

[Fartknocker]

Well, well, well, gentlemen. I take a couple weeks off from the forum and come back to find . . .

LUCIO!

Jesus Fucking Christ, son, take up a hobby! Go start a bottle cap collection or something. In two weeks you've managed to fill up close to five pages worth of rambling, semi-coherent nonsense. Please do not post again until you look up the meaning of the words "concise" and "relevant," and then try to strive for these qualities in your posts.

And give up on pricing discusions. They are old, Old, OLD. See the archives for proof. The prices are always "going up", some guys are always "overpaying", and somebody on this forum is always bitching about it.

The definitive answer is that the Brazilian sex services market is huge beyond your wildest dreams. Prostitution is a Brazilian institution and the primary customers are BRAZILIAN MEN. All the overpaying gringos in the world can't move the prices one penny except in gringo hangouts like HELP. Many escort agencies in Rio are still charging R$100 - R$150 for two or more hours with a girl. In the little towns I tend to frequent R$60 will still get you a good time with one of the local girls. Cash-heavy gringos haven't moved these prices one iota.

<yawn>. Time to take another break until somebody posts something interesting. ;-)

[KnifeFish]

The the R$ starts to fall, the termas and freelancers quicky readjust their prices, however when the R$ rises, they don't want to compensate the other way.

What Macanunmia states about the girls networking is correct. Infact it is a major reason why Copacabana sucks. For example, a while back met this VERY attractive girl , just in from some small town outside of SP. I was her first client in Rio, got a R$150 a day (Jan and Feb) deal and saw her daily. After about 1 week of this I went to meet her at the Balcony, she was sat with some old skanky bitches. Everything turned sour, these skanky bitches told her I'd been ripping her off, she was in a big mood and that was the end of that. The old and ugly latch on to these newcowers as they use them to bait guys to their table.

About prices, in my experience its related to the girls attitude, not her looks. Some uglies will ask for more that some beauties.

I also remember going back 7-10 years ago. Back then All Night was the default deal, the girls thought you were crazy if you suggested short time. Thesedays things have reversed.

Luicio, some guys overpay because they haven't got the confidence or charisma to get a better deal. Way too many guys pretending to be high rollers outside Help, never heard so many BS stories in my life.

[Liucio]

Ronny Ron,

If you are paying these prices you should be working as a negoiator for some of these guys.

After they pay you a commission they will still save rather than going into the deal themselves.

You are negoitiating back wood rural prices.

Of course thats, thats how it should be.

Ronnyron, Dark Knight, are we cheap?

Are we missing some incredible long legged, thin waist ridiculous specimen by not offer R$300.

Are we missing out on the 10's?

I want to see a photo of a 10, and I want some yahoo to rationalize why he paid R$300.

[Liucio]

Ronny Ron,

If the most you are paying is $R150. Are you being turned down a lot because of the price you are offering? Because there is a HUGE DISPARITY between what you are price and what many of these guys are paying.

How are you going into the negoitiation if she is DEAD SET on $R250-$R200.

Tell me, the garotas in the photos, was all those UNDER $R150 also?

Maybe I can afford to comeback after all.

Ron tell me are you are passing up a great many 10 SCALE garotas because you are still to your price?

And would you ever drop $R300 for an hour or two with a 10?

[Orgasm Donor]

I've noticed at least one escort agency dropped their prices for all the ladies 50R. I hope this isnt an isolated case and the trend continues with the US dollar tanking out.

O.D.

[Brazilman]

The bottom line is this: You shouldn't pay more than 50 to 60 DOLLARS at Help, or any hooker hangout on the strip. The guys that went in 97 stated the only reason they paid 50-60rR back then was because the exchange rate was 1 to 1, or a little better. I don't know what the termas would cost if the rate went back to 1.2 to 1, but I promise you ,the termas wouldn't have any gringos in there. Probably a bunch of locals grabbing ass and not doing a session.On a side note, I'm so glad i purchased my ticket to Rio last week for about 825 because the price of oil is 60.00 a friggin barrell now, which means the airlines are going to continue to raise fares to Brazil. What used to cost me 650, when purchased a couple months in advanced, now cost me 825. If oil hits 65 to 70 a barrell, what cost 825 now is going to be 1000. Enjoy Brazil now, because in a year, the exchange will be 2r to 1 and tickets will be 1000 on the low side. My dick is going limp just writing that last sentence. I might have to find a new mongering destination soon.

[RonnyRon]

Hey Keldeson,

I actually forgot where I heard that story, so thanks for reminding me. Didn't say it was my story, but I think you got the point. With 8 posts under your belt, perhaps it is you who has watched Colors a few too many times.

Macunaima,

What you stated is correct. The amount I mentioned, I paid once. I know I paid less and will continue to do so. My point is in 1997 the few Americans visiting actually cared about how much money they were spending. I learned from a group of older, seasoned vets and I am glad I did.

RonnyRon

[Young & Restless]

I always take a month off during the summer months to escape the heat in Phoenix. I've been to a fair amount of South America, but wanted to do Brazil this year.

I usually stay in an apartment in a destination whenever I go for a week or more. I am however, looking to spend more on chicas than on the apartment. I've always been able to find a good apartment for $400-$600 a month in my journeys.

So far, in contacting Kenn, I was only offered a $1000 apartment, and no response back after weeks when I asked about less expensive places. Ronny was helpful in a recommendation, but after a couple of calls, I haven't gotten any response from that person either.

I'm a couple of months away from my trip, but before I spend the money on the visa, I wanted to find a place. If anyone has any recommendations, I'd be appreciative.

Basic requirements: good firm bed, not too noisy, electricity, bathroom, in a safe enough area close enough to the action.

Would like: TV with cable, microwave, phone.

I'm flying on a reward ticket, so I can change or cancel it with no problem. However, I think I'd really like Brazil and from the current conversations about the falling dollar, I should probably go while I can still afford it.

Hi Jaimito,

You've probably heard of http://www.gringomanagement.com/ Just like with everything else, I've read both good and bad things about this company. If you talk to Saint, you can ask him to recommend which one of their apartments that he stayed at while he was there.

I haven't seen too many people mention this company, but this place was highly recommended by another forum member a few months back. You may want to look into it:

http://www.copacabanaholiday.com.br/...idioma=english

Hope this helps,

Y & R

[Jaimito Cartero]

I always take a month off during the summer months to escape the heat in Phoenix. I've been to a fair amount of South America, but wanted to do Brazil this year.

I usually stay in an apartment in a destination whenever I go for a week or more. I am however, looking to spend more on chicas than on the apartment. I've always been able to find a good apartment for $400-$600 a month in my journeys.

So far, in contacting Kenn, I was only offered a $1000 apartment, and no response back after weeks when I asked about less expensive places. Ronny was helpful in a recommendation, but after a couple of calls, I haven't gotten any response from that person either.

I'm a couple of months away from my trip, but before I spend the money on the visa, I wanted to find a place. If anyone has any recommendations, I'd be appreciative.

Basic requirements: good firm bed, not too noisy, electricity, bathroom, in a safe enough area close enough to the action.

Would like: TV with cable, microwave, phone.

I'm flying on a reward ticket, so I can change or cancel it with no problem. However, I think I'd really like Brazil and from the current conversations about the falling dollar, I should probably go while I can still afford it.