Angeles City

[WestCoast1]

I haven't been to AC, but it is easy to send money to yourself. It is not hard to set up a gcash for yourself and to verify, as long as you have a Philippines phone number. I use Sendwave to send money to my gcash and can then cash out at any number of places for a charge of around 15 pesos per thousand. I have also used Sendwave to send money to myself and picked up at a Cebuena before, too.

GC cash-out is only available for fully verified accounts. The GC cashout rate is 2%. One percent goes to GC, and the other one percent goes to the cash-out facility. GC cashout can be done at most remit places such as Cebuana, M Lhuillier, and LBC; also at many other places: Family Mart, 7-11, PureGold, SM, Robinson's, Palawan, and RD Pawnshops.

Other locations, non-official GC outlets, charge exorbitant cash-out rates. Sari stores might charge 20% of your girl's cash-out. You send her p500, but she will only receive 400 at the sari.

You can also cash out at ATM's with a GC Mastercard (fees apply).

Technically, foreigners aren't eligible for GC accounts. However, money flows from foreigners bank accounts to his GC account (where there is an exchange rate loss for the foreigner), then to his filipina's account (no loss for anyone), and finally she will cash-out and GC will retain 1% of that. So I'm guessing that's why they allow permanent residents to have said account.

Another advantage of GC is that it acts like a debit card at many businesses where the business does not accept cards. Most pinoy with a phone now have a GC account. You can GC your taxi driver at the end of a ride. You can GC at many mall stores that don't accept cards. And in the market many vendors take GC now. They often have a picture of a QR code at the outlet; your GC app will scan the QR code, you enter the sale amount, the app confirms the vendor's name, and wala you have made your payment. Many Angkas and Joyride drivers accept GC.

GC is great for passing around money instantly to your girl, without fees. Previously you had to go to a remit place, fill out a form and so forth, and pay a fee. Or previously you would go online to your account in order to send, and pay a fee. Now you just send Jenny a quick pxxx when needed. The downside of GC is their fees on cash-in and cash-out.

https://getcash.ph/gcash/gcash-cash-out/

[Member #4794]

I haven't been to AC, but it is easy to send money to yourself. It is not hard to set up a gcash for yourself and to verify, as long as you have a Philippines phone number. I use Sendwave to send money to my gcash and can then cash out at any number of places for a charge of around 15 pesos per thousand. I have also used Sendwave to send money to myself and picked up at a Cebuena before, too.

I have actually tried many time to set up a gcash over the years and they always ask for residency proof. When I eventually get that SSRV I will do this. I have been declined about 5 times now for a gcash account I don't know if things have changed recently.

[Aml3740]

I get around this by sending myself money though my GF via gcash.

BUT you can also sign up for extra debit cards from a few different banks and move over the money you want to withdraw. This makes that $500 possible 500 x2 or 500 x3 some of these banks let you set a max withdraw limit. Wize is a good option for an extra debit card. When you return to your home country you can transfer the unused the funds back into your normal account. A robinhood debit card has a $1000 withdraw limit however ATM's themselves have a daily limit as well so you would have to hunt down another physical machine if your card has a higher limit than the ATM daily limit. I personally have 5 ATM cards that's about 4000 withdrawable per day for me.

Just as a caveat on payday almost ALL of the atms in AC will be out of cash and you'll have to line up at an actual branch ATM such as SM clark as they refill these as soon as they are out.

I haven't been to AC, but it is easy to send money to yourself. It is not hard to set up a gcash for yourself and to verify, as long as you have a Philippines phone number. I use Sendwave to send money to my gcash and can then cash out at any number of places for a charge of around 15 pesos per thousand. I have also used Sendwave to send money to myself and picked up at a Cebuena before, too.

[Member #4794]

5 K seems to be the price on Fields although a few were 4. 5 K, if it was early. One of the 4. 5 k girls stayed overnight so I guess it doesn't always imply short time either. In 2011, I think there were a few select dancers at Atlantis that were 3 k but the spotlight girls were typically 1. 8 or 2 k. Prices are higher. I ran into cash withdrawal issues since my bank has a $500 daily max. I don't really mind the prices from a financial perspective since I am just here on vacay but from a logistical perspective, it made my cash tight a few times.
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I get around this by sending myself money though my GF via gcash.

BUT you can also sign up for extra debit cards from a few different banks and move over the money you want to withdraw. This makes that $500 possible 500 x2 or 500 x3 some of these banks let you set a max withdraw limit. Wize is a good option for an extra debit card. When you return to your home country you can transfer the unused the funds back into your normal account. A robinhood debit card has a $1000 withdraw limit however ATM's themselves have a daily limit as well so you would have to hunt down another physical machine if your card has a higher limit than the ATM daily limit. I personally have 5 ATM cards that's about 4000 withdrawable per day for me.

Just as a caveat on payday almost ALL of the atms in AC will be out of cash and you'll have to line up at an actual branch ATM such as SM clark as they refill these as soon as they are out.

[Expat American]

For daily budgeting, with an exchange rate of 55 pesos to the US dollar, I would figure the following:

AC hotel $120.

2 bar girls at 5 k each $182.

10 Beers or soda waters $25.

Lady drinks for 6 ladies $38.

3 meals at ABC hotel's in house restaurant at 800 k each $43.


That's not cheap, but compares favorably to most places, except perhaps the Santa Fe red light district of Bogota, which has to be the cheapest sex destination I've ever visited. Was around $6 for 20 minutes before the pandemic, as I remember. Would I return to AC? Nope. The only scenario that I could envision would be a blow out bachelor party type event at ABC hotel with a group of guys. It would be pretty ideal for that. You could pretty much just camp out at ABC and just pick up girls from the bars and enjoy the big pool bar. I'm sure you could find a similar luxury resort type hotel with a fun pool bar in Pattaya. I've just never looked.

Otherwise, the lack of any normal tourist potential just kills the appeal of AC for me.

Nice report. Your budget is a high end visit and most people won't spend $400 per day to fuck 2 girls in a shit hole. You could stay at Central park for about half the ABC price and since all girls have become ST anyway go and pick a freelancer or ST bar girl from a one of the Santos street bars for 1500 P and fuck 3 for the price of one stuck up bar girl. Once in a while you can find a new 18 yo cutie there as well if you are lucky. But over all, I agree, there is no reason to go back to AC. I will forever have my memories (and videos) of the golden days and that will have to be enough. I have moved to a new playground now.

[ILuvBrownGirls]

I am getting ready to go to the airport now. I second the previous poster's observations 100%. The Fields Avenue area is dirty, dingy and largely depressing. I spent 80 pesos on adobo to feed to a starving puppy. That is the kind of place it is. That said, you can still have a great time mongering. Here are my general observations from someone who was previously there in 2010,2011 and 2016.

Perimeter Road mongering was a bust for me this trip. In 2010-2011, the great majority of my barfines were west of ABC hotel. The girls seemed friendlier and there was no lack of cuties. Plus you could start your day at 11 am and find a lot of quality until Perimeter died down and Fields picked up around 6 pm. A lot of those bars are closed now and the ones that remain open didn't have anyone that I would want to sleep with under any circumstances. They seemed to be places where grumpy old American expats could drink, play pool and complain about Koreans. Maybe Perimeter is still recovering from COVID but it is also possible that the clientele for Perimeter is dying off as the veterans from Clarke and Subic bases get old and start fading out. I had a few drinks at Garfields and talked to one of the aging bartenders about trends she sees in AC these days. Other than that, unless you are an AC history nerd, I wouldn't recommend mongering west of ABC.

Koreans are the driving force now. Korean restaurants line Fields Avenue and most of the bars are either Korean owned or managed. That said, money is money. I had one girl at XS say she only goes with Koreans but other than that, they all seemed available to me. I had several girls state that they specifically avoid Koreans just like some are into black guys and some will refuse a barfine for the same reason. People have preferences. In this regard it is not that different than 2011.

My first barfine was Kay from Tarlac at Club XS and she certainly had the "Korean" look. Evening gown, Asian style eye make up, ribbon in her hair and giving off very reserved vibes. As I am a history nerd, I was staying in Brass Knob for my first night before going to ABC (Brass Knob is super bare bones but manageable). She gave good service and then was out the door. We had previously agreed to ST so I was more than fine with it, especially since I wanted to explore more.

Second barfine was a dancer at Camelot. Cute, tiny, tiny girl who went three rounds and was happy to LT in Brass Knob. I didn't even ask her to stay, she just did and it wasn't even late. Probably around 1030 at the end of round one.

Third was a girl from Viking Bar. Viking day shift is by far the hottest collection of girls I saw during my five days there. By far. Less than a third of the bars had anyone on staff that I wanted to fuck when I stuck my head past the curtain. At one point, Viking had 13 girls on stage and I would have happily had any of them. I chose a big boned 21 yo Pampangan with a 42" ass because she had a 42" ass. That is not something you see much in AC. She was built more like a well fed Colombian hooker than anything else. Plus she was cute and bubbly. Ended up doing ST because she lived with family and they didn't know she was working in a bar. A few nights later, she invented a cover story and then stayed overnight in ABC. Just FYI, apparently Viking day shift is moving to Arabesque next week and night shift is a very different quality as there is a different manager.

Fourth was a girl from Bar-Nana. Blonde, cute face and rocking body. Nice tits and a big round firm ass. Barfine around 1 pm, by 2 pm we had finished round 1 and I expected her to go. I told her she was welcome to go back to work or stay and she decided to stay. It could certainly be the ABC effect. She was fun to be around and super nice with good service.

Fifth was from Hi Quality, a bar that sounds kinda like an old Perimeter name or Asian. Picked up a real cutie, 20, from Samar. Great charlie-cup tits and ass, no kids so tight body. Great service. I specified ST because I was meeting another girl later. Great pick although the rest of the lineup was not the greatest looking.

Last barfine of the trip was a waitress from Viking. Super pretty face, could easily pass for Colombian. Another 40" plus ass and that is my poison. I only had time for ST and she delivered and then some. A few kids but still a nice mommy body plus as a slightly older woman she had a sexy mature vibe that is sometimes appealing when you have been dealing with non-stop giggles and selfies for the past few days.

5 K seems to be the price on Fields although a few were 4. 5 K, if it was early. One of the 4. 5 k girls stayed overnight so I guess it doesn't always imply short time either. In 2011, I think there were a few select dancers at Atlantis that were 3 k but the spotlight girls were typically 1. 8 or 2 k. Prices are higher. I ran into cash withdrawal issues since my bank has a $500 daily max. I don't really mind the prices from a financial perspective since I am just here on vacay but from a logistical perspective, it made my cash tight a few times.

The girls are not as wild anymore. Most of them didn't even know what a "3-holer" was let alone entertain the idea of taking it up the ass. Most of them were still amenable to receiving rimming but beyond that, they threw the brakes on. My usual finish with both civvies as well as bargirls is usually doggy with a thumb in the back but this never happened on this trip. In 2011, it was pretty much universal. Additionally, it seems like CIM and CIMWS were hard to come by. I suppose my standards are higher now and I barfine with what I perceive to be the top 10% of the girls so that is probably a factor as well. I am sure the bakla that follows you around after you cross Santos Street is probably down for whatever but that's not my personal jam.

Conclusion: It is still a good time, Koreans are the dominant market force, it's more expensive and overall milder sex. GFE is still very much a thing if you are a nice person and not hideous. I would still put AC head and shoulders above the FKK scene in Germany, the Campo scene in Curacao (RIP) or anything I have experienced in the US.

[ShinyCrazy]

Fields Avenue / Walking Street:

I have experience all over the world, but never made it to Angeles City until now. On my first night, I drank in a half dozen bars, alternating between San Miguel Light and soda water, trying to stay hydrated and keep my wits about me.

I read ISG and Philippines Addicts thoroughly before my trip and given the ISG comments about Lollipop, I started at Lollipop. Found two super cute 19 year olds who were friends from the same village and bought lady drinks and started to talk about bar fining them. They both rubbed themselves up and down my thigh. They would only do ST for 5 k. Wouldn't budge. I offered to take both of them for 10 k, but only if they stayed LT until 7 am. Wouldn't budge. So two lady drinks wasted. From my reading, I had the impression that AC was the place for LT. Little did I know that LT in AC from one of the more attractive bar girls is apparently very unlikely. Doubly true for the younger fresher girls. A street girl, with the attendant risks of STD, would probably be thrilled to spend the whole night in a clean pleasant hotel and share breakfast with you and might only charge 2 k, but the bar girls won't be. They are planning to head back to the bar for guy number two, just like in Nana in Bangkok. Left Lollipop and moved on.

Went to Geckos next door, then Avalon (which had a halfway decent light show and choreographed dancing), then Lucifer's and Masqerades, Club Sky, and Carousel. I probably stuck my head in 10 bars and had drinks at 6. I repeated that pattern each night. For the most part, the range of girls seemed similar between the bars, with maybe some slightly prettier ones at Lollipop. I believe it was Geckos that had more homely older girls, but that could just be my timing. I went in Champagne multiple times on multiple nights are there was only one or two girls on stage. Two different girls in two different bars happily took a lady drink and we chatted. I eventually starting discussing bar fining and they proceeded to tell me that they were menstruating. Two more lady drinks wasted.

Overall, the bars seemed to vary more by the size and ambiance rather than the quality of the girls. Some bars were big with dance shows and lots of girls (50+), some bars were tiny and had only 8-10 girls, some bars were deadsville with only one or two girls. Some bars were obviously aimed at a Korean clientele, with the girls dressed in chaste and elegant evening gowns covering up their saggy mom belly and the girls were staring into space and looking very unthreatening and meek and unsmiling. Some bars were obviously aimed at the American clientele, with girls dressed in bikinis (or topless) and staring right at you with bedroom eyes and happy to sit in your lap, rubbing your cock. I will never understand why the Korean guys seem to have no libido or interest in raunch. They seem to want a fragile sexless China doll, rather than a LBFM. Glad we aren't competing for the same girls. Several girls that I liked told me that the Korean guys "didn't like their beauty", meaning they were too brown or too sexy, I guess. In particular, I am thinking of one thin girl who looked Indonesian in a very pretty way.

In the bigger bars, you are often very far from the girls. That can lead to problems. Sometimes the girl looks cute on stage, then when she gets close to share a lady drink, you realize your error. Bad acne scars or crooked tooth with gaps or whatever. At this point, it was heading towards 10 pm and I didn't have a definite girl yet, so I decided to go back to Lollipop. That was a mistake.

Picked a boobsy girl named Lisa. She agreed to LT until 7 am. Had a wonderful hour with her, although she was fairly passive like all of the Filipina girls I've been with on this trip (unlike Latinas who will smother you in passionate kisses and writhe their booty and actually earn the abbreviation LBFM), and I delivered my first shot on goal. She promptly stood up and said her grandma was calling her and she had to leave. I couldn't believe it. A runner for my very first girl in AC! I was having a great time and she seemed to be enjoying herself as well. I didn't understand. I told her that leaving after only one hour was unacceptable. I said that she had agreed to stay until 7 am. I told her we would discuss this with the bar owner, and I got dressed. She huffed and puffed and we walked all the way back to Lollipop from ABC hotel.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, the bar owner basically told me "tough luck". No money back. He wouldn't stand up for his customer. Didn't even reprimand the girl, even after she admitted to him that she had promised LT until 7 am. So, instead of 8 hour LT, she stayed for one hour ST and kept the payment for LT. Obviously, I was ripped off and I made it clear to the bar owner that I would let the ISG community know that he doesn't defend his customers. There are plenty of other bars with the same quality of girls. These bar managers need to know that they are losing business before they will change their ways and defend their customers. The rest of my trip, I avoided Lollipop like the plague.

The highlight of all of the girls for me was a girl named May from Skyfall. Skyfall was a very friendly bar with tons of girls around 7 pm and the girls were punchy and flirty. The party atmosphere was very good. Everyone seemed happy, including the girls, the waitresses, and the mamasan. I scanned all of the girls and one girl's face really stood out as pretty. I must say that at least 50% of the girls in the bars of AC have what I would describe as a coarse ugly face. Their bodies vary. They might have an ugly face, but a body that is near perfect. Or they may have a really cute face, but the body is a disappointment. To find the pretty face on an attractive body, that was the real struggle in AC. I would say 1-2 girls per bar in AC meet that goal, at most. May had a very pretty face, but I could not fully assess the body, since her outfit was not revealing enough. Regardless, I ended up bar fining her based on her pretty face. The mamasan was thrilled for some reason. I suspected that it was May's first bar fine, because she did look fresh, but when I asked if she had been bar fined before, she said yes. Could be a lie, of course. The mamasan was thrilled to hear that I was at ABC Hotel. She told me that it was the nicest hotel in town. I nodded. She chatted me up and seemed to be checking me out and vetting me to protect May. Overall, Skyfall has a very enthusiastic and supportive mamasan and a good vibe, and that is a good thing. In the room, May was very shy at first, and she told me she was 18 yo. When the clothes came off, wow! Basically a perfect body. Perfect "see" cups, nice curves, no baby fat, just a perfect nubile body with a super cute face. A tiny freckle near her perfect belly button. No tattoos or stretch marks. A perfect body! A unicorn! She was very passive, but for an 18 yo with a killer body and smile, I can ignore that. I did have to gently remove her phone from her hand and place it aside. It is amazing how girls could actually stare at their phones while having sex. Now that is an addiction! She also was either super shy or her English was very limited. Given the fact that she was 18 yo and from the "province", I am guessing that she was both. When comparing The Philippines to Thailand, I would not say that the girls are easier to communicate with in The Philippines. English seems to be the second language for all of the Filipina girls, at least the ones from the "provinces", just like in Thailand. The Thai girls are much less shy and a little more worldly, so in my experience, the conversations are actually easier in Thailand. The Thai girls will say I look like a movie star. I'm not convinced that many of the provincial Filipino girls have ever gone to a movie. You could tell that she truly didn't realize how spectacular her body was. She was wide eyed and humble.

Mongering is like gambling. After a losing streak, for example you pick a girl with a stretch marked mommy belly or deflated saggy tits because she hid them well under her clothes or the girl turns out to be cold in bed or you have a flagging erection because the girl decides to pick a fight about using a condom for a blow job despite promising bare, you start to question the whole endeavor. Maybe you should just quit this whole mongering thing. Too much hassle for MILFs with poor service. Might as well jerk off for free. Then you hit the jackpot: May at Skyfall. Heartbreakingly beautiful 18 yo with perfect breasts and perfect skin. And all is right with the world. I took her upstairs to see the pool bar on the roof of ABC Hotel, which she enjoyed, but she didn't want to stay for a round of drinks. She doesn't drink alcohol. Yep. Young. Inexperienced. Feeling overwhelmed, like a fish out of water. The funny part is that once she put on her street clothes to leave, she was totally nondescript. Her breasts and body were completely obscured by the relatively frumpy outfit. Little would anyone know how great she looks naked.

Getting PREP:

I had actually arrived in AC early in the afternoon and before hitting the bars, I tried to see if I could get PREP from the local STD clinic. I knew that BBFS is common in Angeles and I didn't want to bring any bugs home with me, in case of condom malfunction etc. I had already researched DoxyPrep, which is basically antibiotic coverage for syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia. You take one 100 MG tablet of doxycycline per day. Regular PREP is two antivirals in one pill (Truvada) that you take daily to prevent HIV infection. I wanted to be protected by both Prep and DoxyPrep. So, I searched on the internet and found the STD clinic called "Bale Angeleno". You can find it in Google maps, about 10 minute walk from Walking Street. Just walked in, and told them that I wanted PREP for unprotected holiday sex. They drew my blood and performed an HIV test, syphilis test, and hepatitis test. Gave me the results (negative) in about 15 minutes. They also needed a recent creatinine test to prove I had good kidneys to handle the medicine. Thankfully, I already had the results on my phone from my last checkup. However, when the nurse sat down to dispense the meds, she asked about where I was from, and basically told me that their free Truvada supply is only available for people who can't afford it (not American tourists, for example). She referred me to the "Lakan Community Center", another 15 minute walk away. I tried to offer money, but she wouldn't or couldn't take it. Funny side note: Apparently, the downstairs part of the Bale Angeleno clinic is for educating the bar girls and performing their required screening tests. I tried to approach the desk there, and saw a few dozen girls watching a "hygiene" slide show of closeup pictures of genital warts. The front desk girl directed me upstairs to the STD clinic instead.

So, I walked to the Lakan Community Center next. They were surprised that the first clinic sent me there, because their Truvada supply was also free (and also presumably targeted at people who can't afford it). Again, I offered to pay for it or donate money to the clinic, but they wouldn't or couldn't take it (the box of Truvada specifically says that it can't be sold) and eventually just gave it to me for free. They also gave me special info about getting my free monthly supply refilled (they were assuming, I guess, that I planned to reside long term in AC). I felt a little guilty taking free medicine, but I tried multiple times to pay for it and they refused. In the end, I figured that it benefits the Philippines to have mongers use PREP to protect the bar girls and didn't feel as guilty. Seems to me that they should open a PREP and DoxyPREP clinic for tourists and charge some reasonable amount for the service, then use the money to fund more coverage for poor Filipinos. If you want to use PREP, I would suggest that you try to secure some Truvada in your home country, but barring that, I thought I would post my experience so other ISGers can protect themselves and the girls. Be aware that a high percentage of AC bar girls who offer BBFS are not on birth control and expect you to practice coitus interruptus, pull out at the last minute, and deposit on her belly. Like a Catholic high school dance in 1965. What's the point of that? The moment of supreme pleasure is ruined by that. Better to use a condom and maybe skip the PREP altogether if that is what is meant by BBFS in AC. I did encounter one girl who had the birth control meds in tubes under the skin, which she proudly showed me. As always, pack your own favorite condoms, since the local ones are crap. Personally, I vote for the Trojan Ecstasy condoms. They have a weird shape with a huge bulbous part at the reservoir end and are fairly tight at the base. Basically feels like you are wearing a cock ring, but you are bare. Put a little lube on the head of your cock first before donning the condom. Having tried pretty much all of the normal condoms on the market, including the super duper thin Japanese ones, I have found that these are the closest to being bare.

Angeles City:

Angeles City has been described on ISG as a "shithole", and that does pretty accurately describe the Fields Avenue area. The sidewalk is busted up with puddles of fetid liquid and two foot deep holes perfect for breaking your ankle, aromas of urine and burning plastic in the air, homeless drug addicts sleeping against the buildings, motorcycle trikes everywhere with the noise and pollution, and the area has basically nothing worthwhile except the bars. The shops are nasty little subsistence survival shops with the bare bare essentials. They have storefront "drugstores" where they lock cheapo shampoo behind glass, like a precious jewel. You will not want to pass your time "window shopping" in AC. The restaurants also largely look dangerously unappetizing, likely rife with coliform bacteria. I stuck to eating in Kokomo and the Thai place next to ABC Hotel. There is simply nothing to do in AC. No charm whatsoever. I am not exaggerating. NOTHING. I tried to go for a walk to the Clark Mall, which required crossing multiple lanes of highway traffic without any crosswalk, like the 80's Frogger video game. The mall was mostly lower end generic mall shops, with nothing luxurious or interesting, unlike the Greenbelt or Powerplant malls in Makati. They did have a movie theater. If I were stuck in AC long term, I would probably visit the theater daily, although I bet they only show brainless Hollywood car chases and superhero junk. The diet of AC (and the Philippines in general) is the most sugary food ever created. The mall had a special area for startup businesses, and I kid you not, every single one was a selling a sugary confection, like cupcakes or candy. No wonder the older girls look diabetic.

AC makes Pattaya look like an ultra-luxury resort destination. If you want sex everywhere and also have a pleasant daytime, and are planning to stay for more than a few days, for God's sake, don't come to AC. Just go to Pattaya. It is sex and pretty much nothing else here, and the sex is no better or cheaper than Soi 6. Go to Pattaya where you have legal weed and the bar experience hasn't been totally emasculated into a G rated model by Koreans lacking confidence with sexually active girls. Plus Pattaya has beaches and great Thai food and cool Buddhist temples.

ABC Hotel:

The ABC hotel is the most amazing oasis on the edge of this hellhole. The rooms are practically soundproof, tastefully luxurious, and the pools and outdoor areas are like a literal oasis. It is like an alternate reality from the squalor of Fields Avenue. For what you get, it is a seriously good deal. The restaurant is very good, with healthy breakfast options and great coffee. They have two different bank ATMs in the lobby, so you can snag cash before throwing yourself into the chaos outside. If you tell a bar girl or mamasan that you are staying at ABC, they will light up. Most of the time, I just walked back and forth from ABC to the bars. It is kinda silly to get a motorcycle trike, since you can walk it in 5-10 minutes, and the trikes look like a severe injury just waiting to happen. The rooftop swim club and bar is off the charts great. Really like a top notch resort pool at a chic resort. Sitting by the pool, looking at the girls that the other guys have brought, reading a book, swimming, sunning yourself, having cocktails, eating very good and healthy food. The owner of ABC hotel should be made mayor of AC and fix the rest of the filthy squalor. I've been to poor countries around the world, and so many of them have a sense of pride and beauty despite the poverty and you can see it in their faces, but not AC. Angeles City is just depressing. I mean, for god's sake, Laos is one of the poorest countries in the world, yet Vientiane and Luang Prabang are among the most beautiful and charming places to visit. Maybe put in some decent sidewalks, some clean safe parks, make plans for some other tourist attractions. ABC Hotel pretty much saved my experience of AC. Without it, I would have felt like it was the worst decision in the world to visit AC. I felt imprisoned in AC, nothing to do and surrounded by squalor. If you stay at ABC, at least your cage is gilded.

Strategy / Planning:

By the end of a few days, I had tried almost every single bar on "Walking Street" (which is basically just an extension of Fields Avenue). I doubt that any precise description of a specific bar on the night I visited would matter to you. The girl quality in a given bar seems to change by the hour. As I mentioned earlier, the only meaningful difference is the ambiance of the bar: Stick your head in past the curtain. If you like the vibe, then sit down and look at the girls for a few minutes and order a beer or soda water. It's basically $3 US to sit for a while. Budget $20-30 bucks and you can try out 8-10 bars. I often left after only a few sips of my beer, when I realized that none of the girls appealed to me. Glad that soda water is an option. With all of the beers, I'm at risk of growing a beer belly. I had read that the shows at XS are worth your time, and I guess I agree, but when I spoke to the mamasan, she couldn't find a single girl that I liked and who would go with a western guy. None. So, XS is fine for watching the show, but not for bar fining. According to one of the girls, the XS bar is owned by an American (guess all of the Wolfpack group of bars have the same American owner) and the manager is a Korean, and the girls really like the American owner. Regardless of ownership, the girls don't like to bar fine with Americans.

Since there is literally NOTHING to do in AC, plan to hang around the pool at ABC during the day and read a book or go to Clark mall and see a movie, then go to the bars early. Some open as early as noon, in fact I think one or two are open 24 hours. The "better" ones open at 6 pm. Squeeze in your early dinner at 5 pm, then hit the bars. Since LT with a decent bar girl is seemingly mythical in AC, I would aim for 2ST girls instead. One early, around 8-9 pm after a few hours of bar hopping. Then, girl number two around 11-12 midnight.

By the way, I tried the massage place on Walking Street named Tarana Gookje. It was clean and pleasant and located upstairs across the street from Masquerade. Guess what? Two hours of foot and body massage and they don't offer extras! That's right. "Not allowed, sir. There are girls outside for that. " Crazy. I somehow found the only massage place in AC that doesn't offer a HJ ending.

For daily budgeting, with an exchange rate of 55 pesos to the US dollar, I would figure the following:

AC hotel $120.

2 bar girls at 5 k each $182.

10 Beers or soda waters $25.

Lady drinks for 6 ladies $38.

3 meals at ABC hotel's in house restaurant at 800 k each $43.

That's a total of $408 US dollars per day for all expenses and sex with two girls and (if you choose one of American style bars) some nice lap dances and handsy explorations of 6 girls. The lady drinks at the Korean bars get you nothing but a girl sitting next you being "proper" and meek. Yes, of course, you can be much much cheaper, but why travel to a shithole to treat yourself like shit? The ATMs in the Philippines seem to max out at 10 k per day, which should cover your bar girl expenses, but not enough to cover your hotel and restaurant expenses. You would most likely use a credit card for the hotel and in house restaurant, but you might want to open a second checking account so that you can get enough money out to cover your fun by drawing 10 k x 2 = 20 k per day.

That's not cheap, but compares favorably to most places, except perhaps the Santa Fe red light district of Bogota, which has to be the cheapest sex destination I've ever visited. Was around $6 for 20 minutes before the pandemic, as I remember. Would I return to AC? Nope. The only scenario that I could envision would be a blow out bachelor party type event at ABC hotel with a group of guys. It would be pretty ideal for that. You could pretty much just camp out at ABC and just pick up girls from the bars and enjoy the big pool bar. I'm sure you could find a similar luxury resort type hotel with a fun pool bar in Pattaya. I've just never looked.

Otherwise, the lack of any normal tourist potential just kills the appeal of AC for me.

[RainMania]

Agreed on all points.

Girls, especially the hottest P4 P girls are bombarded with so many messages these days (not just from us foreigners but also from pinoys) that many of them really don't have the processing power or will to communicate online unless you're already on the ground or are an idiot willing to send pesos to someone you've never met before. This isn't to say all the hot P4 P girls, you can still chat with some who will be willing to converse with dudes halfway around the world, but always realise she's also chatting with Gunther from Germany, Mario from Italy, Steve from Scotland, Brad from Canada, Sheikh from Oman, Baboy from the next Barangay over, Randy from Texas, Kims 1, 2, 3 and 4 from Korea, Chen from China, and heck maybe even Chester from Australia, and then there's you from wherever you're sending messages from.

There are so many online options for these girls (TikTok, insta, discord, Reddit, twitter / X, PL, bumble, FB etc), always remember it's simply your turn with her in situations like this.

[EverythingThai]

Anyone not playing the online game in AC in 2024 is, well, good luck to them LOL. In a country where the top talent know their worth and are constantly online, you're really doing yourself a disservice if you feel you shouldn't be online where 95% if the available girls are.

100% correct. Don't close the online door or you will miss out.

[EverythingThai]

I use discord, whatsapp, telegram and FB but in person meetings is still the most productive method when it comes to "SEX". I don't see this as an either or situation. These methods go hand in hand. Just for some specificity the "dating apps" many of the the girls who are online on dating sites are the "usual suspects" girls who are either pro or are not wanted for a reason this as a whole is unappealing to me and while you can sometimes find a diamond its mostly trash. Going to a barangay in person or even a bar for that matter FAR exceeds online searching imo so people doing this are most certainly NOT missing out but an online element could compliment in their efforts. But online does have a place for preplanning while you are not in country or while with your current GF looking for the next one. I use online to meet a new crop of ladies, I use them for introductions for girls in an area I'm interested in who are not typically online.

Philippines just like Thailand, are where the ladies use dating apps to find customers. Meeting girls online for Pay for play instead of at the bar in both countries is very effective. There are very hot freelancers to be found in these dating apps and many punters swear by this method instead of going to the bars and paying bar fines. I use a combination of both. It depends on the situation for me, but to say one is better than the other, would be wrong. Most girls hate the guys who want to talk to them before coming. They only want to talk to people who are here and ready to meet. You are wrong about most of what you are saying. It's very old school. Times have changed.

[Member #4794]

I get it, the bars are be all and end all for some punters. Stick to your tried and tested methods, and those of us who are more attuned to the 21st century will stick to ours. May the best method get the most LBFM creampies!

I use discord, whatsapp, telegram and FB but in person meetings is still the most productive method when it comes to "SEX". I don't see this as an either or situation. These methods go hand in hand. Just for some specificity the "dating apps" many of the the girls who are online on dating sites are the "usual suspects" girls who are either pro or are not wanted for a reason this as a whole is unappealing to me and while you can sometimes find a diamond its mostly trash. Going to a barangay in person or even a bar for that matter FAR exceeds online searching imo so people doing this are most certainly NOT missing out but an online element could compliment in their efforts. But online does have a place for preplanning while you are not in country or while with your current GF looking for the next one. I use online to meet a new crop of ladies, I use them for introductions for girls in an area I'm interested in who are not typically online.

[RainMania]

This is just not true, most of the country still is plagued with massive brownouts even in the more developed cities you have power outages that take down the whole infrastructure, the good looking girls still cannot afford cellphones unless they are already broken in. You might see a microcosm of girls online and via the walker fb and telegram groups but they are hardly 95% of the available girls. Most of the girls that work in bars in AC do not offer themselves up through a telegram or walker group this is just not the case. 95% of available girls are still hidden behind no cellphone and in the provinces / barangays. The women who NEED money are not online. Any girl who is on pina love / tinder / telegram / FB groups / ect. 113.9 million Filipinos and if you do a search on these platforms you won't find more than a few 100 active under 30 this is 1% of 1% not 95% the exact opposite imo. To find a girl of any real quality all you need to do is go to a barangay fiesta and announce you are looking for a girlfriend and find a girl in less than 5 minutes. You will have the whole area looking for something for you to have sex with that is non-pro. I would assert if you are mostly "online" you are doing yourself a disservice and paying inflated prices.

Some of the new bar girls you'll still see them with a nokia phone with just a keypad and they walk to the bar there's no way they are online or they pawned it to get to AC and the local bars in other locations these girls walk or take a trike to the bar and have no cellphone. What are they getting online with magic?

According to statista, Philippines has an internet penetration rate of 75.33% and a mobile internet penetration rate of 73.63%.

There are a whopping 90.2 million Facebook users in the country out of a population of 117 million. You really believe the majority of pinays aren't online? Hahahaha.

You're seeing Nokia dumb phones in bars. I say you're going to the wrong bars. I can't recall the last Filipina I spoke to (in a bar or elsewhere) who didn't have a smart phone or access to one. My target market has always been 18-23 (maybe 24) yo and there are far more of them available online than in any walking street or perimeter bar at any given point of any day by a factor of 1 to 10,000 on the conservative side.

I get it, the bars are be all and end all for some punters. Stick to your tried and tested methods, and those of us who are more attuned to the 21st century will stick to ours. May the best method get the most LBFM creampies!

[Member #4794]

Anyone not playing the online game in AC in 2024 is, well, good luck to them LOL. In a country where the top talent know their worth and are constantly online, you're really doing yourself a disservice if you feel you shouldn't be online where 95% if the available girls are.

This is just not true, most of the country still is plagued with massive brownouts even in the more developed cities you have power outages that take down the whole infrastructure, the good looking girls still cannot afford cellphones unless they are already broken in. You might see a microcosm of girls online and via the walker fb and telegram groups but they are hardly 95% of the available girls. Most of the girls that work in bars in AC do not offer themselves up through a telegram or walker group this is just not the case. 95% of available girls are still hidden behind no cellphone and in the provinces / barangays. The women who NEED money are not online. Any girl who is on pina love / tinder / telegram / FB groups / ect. 113.9 million Filipinos and if you do a search on these platforms you won't find more than a few 100 active under 30 this is 1% of 1% not 95% the exact opposite imo. To find a girl of any real quality all you need to do is go to a barangay fiesta and announce you are looking for a girlfriend and find a girl in less than 5 minutes. You will have the whole area looking for something for you to have sex with that is non-pro. I would assert if you are mostly "online" you are doing yourself a disservice and paying inflated prices.

Some of the new bar girls you'll still see them with a nokia phone with just a keypad and they walk to the bar there's no way they are online or they pawned it to get to AC and the local bars in other locations these girls walk or take a trike to the bar and have no cellphone. What are they getting online with magic?

[Expat American]

I go to AC to relax, drink, party, barhop, grab tits and ass, interview potential superstars, nap, relax again, and have lots of sex. The idea that you would travel all the way there to just get on Tinder and call over a freelancer to cum in, is completely foreign to me.

Yes but there are so few bars which are fun anymore. Girls in full length evening gowns sitting on stage and playing with their phones is not my idea of a party. And the places like Lollipop etc are full of has been over the hill single moms who still want 4 K to fuck. I'm not seeing the point anymore. Yes you can have fun there but there are much better places in Asia.

[RainMania]

You can still party in bars without paying the barfine. There are also other places to drink, party, barhop and pickup freelancers if need be. HiSo may be gone (RIP), but there are plenty of new and old pretenders in its place filled with freelancers and civilian girls galore that are available to anyone with even the tiniest speck of rizz and a bit of cash in hand (obviously just don't lead with the cash LOL). Plenty of rooftop decks like aqua, La Grande, CPT, kandi etc also filled with freelancers (although many times they're already with their customers for the night).

Anyone not playing the online game in AC in 2024 is, well, good luck to them LOL. In a country where the top talent know their worth and are constantly online, you're really doing yourself a disservice if you feel you shouldn't be online where 95% if the available girls are.