Angeles City

[Rubberyman]

Anybody have any information on the French guy in Detroit that was beaten up when he left one of the bars there? I think it was about six months ago, and heard he had returned to France. I am never going to Detroit again.

Get a life guys, this is old news and the fact it keeps rearing its ugly head after all this time, is because it was such an isolated unusual incident.

Actually I suggest that the reason it keeps rearing its ugly head is because the Dollhouse group did not act decisively to prevent it spreading. They could and should have either robustly proved it bullshit, or alternatively stepped up to the plate and paid the guy's medical expenses etc.

These things get a life of their own and become urban myth almost if they are not put to bed.

While DH group will never close down over something like this, over time, they will lose more $$ because of individuals making the decision not to go there because of some story - and of course their competition will keep the story alive forever if DH Group let them.

My pov is that there are so many bars in AC that any one person doesn't need to go to DH ever and they won't really miss out on much.

Once an urban myth (or truth maybe in this case) starts, nothing anyone can say will make it go away.

[Matius]

Apparently a Korean got shot on Sunday night. Surprised there is no mention here. Or did I miss it?

S. Korean unconscious after being shot in Philippines
2010/04/05 15:34 KST

SEOUL, April 5 (Yonhap) -- A South Korean man is in serious condition in the Philippines after an unidentified assailant shot him in the head, Seoul's foreign ministry said Monday.

The victim, a 35-year-old man identified only by his surname Cho, was shot around 10 p.m. Sunday (local time) in Angeles City.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nati...005800315.HTML

The guy is represented to be the bar owner of the new bar called Sharks on Fields. The Koreans have their own brand of enforcement, and word on the street is that he ran afoul of the local Korean "organization", that it was not a random robbery, rather an execution style slaying. Who knows the truth, but no one local is suggesting this was a tourist crime. I also heard he was dead, not just in serious condition.

[Matius]

Hi rob.

When I was in angeles in back early February I actually meet this swedish guy by incidence. He seem to be alright that time.

That was some days before there was a planned hearing on the incident.

Do you have further information now?.

Last I heard is, that he is now back in sweden.

Erik67

Anybody have any information on the French guy in Detroit that was beaten up when he left one of the bars there? I think it was about six months ago, and heard he had returned to France. I am never going to Detroit again.

Get a life guys, this is old news and the fact it keeps rearing its ugly head after all this time, is because it was such an isolated unusual incident.

[Matius]

Looking forward to my first trip into Angeles City. I experienced the bars in P Burgos St Makati as well as the bars in Cebu. I have a question in regards to these show girls who perform in Atlantis, Crystal Palace etc. If the girl is performing a dance onstage and you see one that you like, when can you take her back to your hotel? I mean. Do you tell mama that you like that girl who is dancing and after she is done dancing, she comes sit with you and you buy her a LD. Then, later you BF her? She doesn't need to go back on stage and do more dance routines with the other girls?

Also, what's the highest price a girl quoted on a LD and BF? 250-300 pesos drinks and 3000+ BF don't bother us considering we seen how high prices the bars in Makati City can B. Still, those prices don't even compare to the prices in the US.

In most bars, the "show" girls are just ordinary girls that have training every day to do a number of set dance routines. They are no different than any other girl in the bar, in regards to availability. The best looking show girls in the big bars are priced at 3,000 p, but many are also virgins, so ask your questions before you invest a lot. The highest ladies drink I know of (short of ordering champaign) is around 300p at the larger show bars. Vodka Cruisers are often marked up considerably, seen or heard of 380p charges for a ladies drink. My opinion, that is all a waste, buy a single, approx. 150p at most bars on fields, most girls don't care. You want to create some noise and positive attention, start throwing baskets of balls, or table a number of girls buying them repeated single ladies drinks.

The problem though with many of the more expensive BF girls, particularly the show girls, is that they are little princesses. I often find them more trouble than they are worth. And as stated above, before they became "show girls" perhaps even a month earlier, they were the same regular girls you see dancing on the stage. In taking a show girl, you will either be taking a very well worn and used girl, or you will be taking a girl that is so full of herself that the demands placed on you will be like taking your wife.

In answer to your question on committment, often if you are tabled with one of the show dancers, she may excuse herself to return to the stage during her routine. But that is only for a few minutes and she should return to you. Most bars let their show girls go when they get a BF, but some may have restrictions that they can't go until later in the evening. More likely, if you plan on keeping her overnight or more than one day, she may have to excuse herself in the afternoon to go to dance practice. Many bars fine the girls for missing their dance practice, but again she should return to you, if that is your agreement with her.

Hope that provides some guidance, but my opinion in addition is that you are headed to spending a lot of money, for fun that could be had in greater proportion elsewhere. I like Crystal Palace, easily would give Atlantis a miss, but Perimeter road bars and most of the smaller Fields bars are full of former Atlantis, Crystal Palace girls. There is almost nothing special about their girls versus most of the other bars in Angeles. They do have good shows though, and that is worth seeing. In most cases, I don't think Angeles is like other places, where the very high end girls mass in the larger expensive bars. Quality here does not correlate with size or expense of attending a bar. Many if not most of the locals and experienced visitors (even those where money is not the object), tend to BF in the other bars, then take their dates to the larger more expensive bars to watch the shows.

[Jan 156]

I recall changing my mind somewhat before and after visiting AC. I still hold by my initial comments that, if you go to a third world country, you alone are responsible for your safety, staying out of trouble, and the intelligence to respect local customs whilst knowing your own safe zones.

Having seen the set up, I rather default to my 'travelling among the natives' mentality. Which sadly, works well in PHP still.


You can get a rough idea by some of the comments on handling taxi drivers in the Manila thread, but basically:

In relations with the 'natives', as with treating (unevolved) women, children and domestic pets (no comparison between them intended except for displays of kindness) -

• Don't try to be their 'friend.' They don't want or respect your frigging friendship. You are in a superior position of power (in most respects). Get used to it, and act with appropriate dignity. If you want to be their equal, go and live like them for a large number of years (this does not imply you are not equals as human beings - you are - but you hold different positions, and your positions are not equal.)

• Earn and maintain their respect at all times. Show no quarter, do not engage in knee-jerk emotional bonding (bonding as a more considered gesture is ok when safe and appropriate).

• Kings act with kindness. Do the same. It is better to be loved than feared. Frequently it will get you superior results.

• Be as ruthless about your own mistakes as you are about those of others. Demonstrate your impartiality and fairness - and be generous to the faults of others (even if they are 'b*stards, b*tches etc - you are supposed to be more evolved, right??)

• However well it seems to be going, never forget the above steps. Never forget your place. Never forget theirs. Never forget your responsibility.

The Swedish guy, from all accounts, who got very badly beaten for peremptorily arguing the toss over the some ladies' drinks, acted like a stupid c*nt. That doesn't mean he deserved what he got, he didn't. Neither does it excuse the people who meted out his 'punishment.' But the most useful thing to remember is that he was (in the incident as reported) a stupid c*nt. Remembering that may help you avoid making the same mistake. Avoiding the mistake is better than finding someone to blame afterwards if you are mutilated, dead, in a coma etc.

I found it automatic to avoiding patronising the establishment concerned, and the subsidiaries it also owns - simply from my own rules of conduct above if you like. You don't show kindness to an ill-trained monkey by feeding it sweeties.

I don't imply any moral duty to agree on this point though. Far better that each person makes their own mind up IMHO.

[Erik 67]

Hi rob.

When I was in angeles in back early February I actually meet this swedish guy by incidence. He seem to be alright that time.

That was some days before there was a planned hearing on the incident.

Do you have further information now?.

Last I heard is, that he is now back in sweden.

Erik67

[Rob Woodrow]

What was this all about?

Start at post #5115 in this thread (currently on page 35) and read backwards. Make up your own mind about which side of the story is true.

[Gogobarlover]

What was this all about?

I was thinking the exact same thing. A Swedish guy got beat up in a bar?

[Amjeck]

and the beaten Swede incident.

What was this all about?

[Rob Woodrow]

Looking forward to my first trip into Angeles City. I experienced the bars in P Burgos St Makati as well as the bars in Cebu. I have a question in regards to these show girls who perform in Atlantis, Crystal Palace etc. If the girl is performing a dance onstage and you see one that you like, when can you take her back to your hotel? I mean. Do you tell mama that you like that girl who is dancing and after she is done dancing, she comes sit with you and you buy her a LD. Then, later you BF her? She doesn't need to go back on stage and do more dance routines with the other girls?

Also, what's the highest price a girl quoted on a LD and BF? 250-300 pesos drinks and 3000+ BF don't bother us considering we seen how high prices the bars in Makati City can B. Still, those prices don't even compare to the prices in the US.

The procedure is pretty much the same as it is for all the other girls on stage, because the "showgirls" are pretty much just like all the other girls on stage. I do think they are required to do their dances if they have LD's, but not after they are barfined. I'm not sure though, as I tend to avoid pulling from the large bars because they are far too impersonal for my taste--not to mention the pricing controversies and the beaten Swede incident.

I think you might find (as many do) that showgirls are not any better (and can be worse) than many of the other girls on stage or in the bar next door. And after all, that is the comparison--not to Makati, and certainly not to the US.

[Member #4214]

Apparently a Korean got shot on Sunday night. Surprised there is no mention here. Or did I miss it?

S. Korean unconscious after being shot in Philippines
2010/04/05 15:34 KST

SEOUL, April 5 (Yonhap) -- A South Korean man is in serious condition in the Philippines after an unidentified assailant shot him in the head, Seoul's foreign ministry said Monday.

The victim, a 35-year-old man identified only by his surname Cho, was shot around 10 p.m. Sunday (local time) in Angeles City.

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nati...005800315.HTML

[Spook]

No! Santos is horrible. Don't go there.

But if you do you'll see me, haha! I agree, I always manage to find a surprise or 3 on every trip.

Santos is fantastic. A must do!

[Rob Woodrow]

Went back to AC after two year hiatus. I don't get this "Koreans killing the market." I see no such thing. What I see is growth and change. I do agree that some gems can be found on Santo's street.

No! Santos is horrible. Don't go there.

But if you do you'll see me, haha! I agree, I always manage to find a surprise or 3 on every trip.

[Gogobarlover]

Looking forward to my first trip into Angeles City. I experienced the bars in P Burgos St Makati as well as the bars in Cebu. I have a question in regards to these show girls who perform in Atlantis, Crystal Palace etc. If the girl is performing a dance onstage and you see one that you like, when can you take her back to your hotel? I mean. Do you tell mama that you like that girl who is dancing and after she is done dancing, she comes sit with you and you buy her a LD. Then, later you BF her? She doesn't need to go back on stage and do more dance routines with the other girls?

Also, what's the highest price a girl quoted on a LD and BF? 250-300 pesos drinks and 3000+ BF don't bother us considering we seen how high prices the bars in Makati City can B. Still, those prices don't even compare to the prices in the US.

[Hesekiels]

Sorry report kind of long. A buddy (Zmax) and I just returned from 4 days in AC.
Candy Bar:
Treasure Island:
Cambodia:
etc.

Wow, what a great field research! :) Tx, brother!

Cheers!


Hesekiels