Angeles City

[Streetlooker]

The gloomy Negative: Took a walk around up and down Perimeter Rd, Down Tedoro st and got a Massage, knew the girl from before Happy ending HJ but says the place might close soon if they keep the lockdown. Then up and down fields ave, Real st, down Santos to Johnny st then out to MacArthur and back around up fields to Phillies. Nothing changed since March 15th 1st day really. New Freelancer Park which is across from Envy and Phillies now abundant with Shabu and glue sniffers but nothing over a 3 maybe a 4 there. Johnny st same 2's and 3's wanting 500 pesos for a hit of glue or shabu. Few bakla around too if that's your thing. Now with a bit of positive news. 3-4 Permeter bars have converted themselves into restaurants and are giving it a go to reopen. I did not check out these places tonight cause they are to close at 8 and It was going on 8 pretty much when I walked by them. I will soon go and give a update on the Modus operandi of the places and see if its close to anything normal bar procedure or are they just going legit to stay open. Talking to a few BG on facebook who went back to their hometowns in Samar and they said they expect to stay home till Jan 2021 then make their way back to AC. Guess we see.

[WestCoast1]

Previously I thought the ongoing affects of the virus were wildly overstated but I'm starting to believe that it will lead to a fundamental shift in our every day and mongering lives well after it is brought under control. Replacing company funded business trips with Zoom calls, girls realizing that there is money to be made online with out even meeting guys, bars and rub and tug joints replacing rents with outcalls, years of decimated tourism will all lead to significant changes.

Read an article online few weeks ago about immunity. Wish I'd saved the link. The article said that immunity for those who beat the virus can be temporary, lasting 3-6 months, meaning one can re-catch the thing. Great! If true, then we could be living this way for many years, constantly on the run from it: ". . . A fundamental shift in our every day . . . lives well after it is brought under control".

[Goferring]

Many landlords are demanding full rent during the lock downs instead of working out and or reducing the rent. Thus losing the existing tenant.

Many businesses like a spa has very few built in tenant improvements that they can't take with them. This spa will probably relocate to a cheaper rent and better location.

A girl I know worked for a Korean Spa in Korea Town. They shut down too and are doing on calls. She said the business is slow but is the same with on call. The owner is much happier shedding his overhead.

Previously I thought the ongoing affects of the virus were wildly overstated but I'm starting to believe that it will lead to a fundamental shift in our every day and mongering lives well after it is brought under control. Replacing company funded business trips with Zoom calls, girls realizing that there is money to be made online with out even meeting guys, bars and rub and tug joints replacing rents with outcalls, years of decimated tourism will all lead to significant changes.

Luckily, there will always be girls in need of fast cash but the way the system operates will definitely change.

Enjoy. G.

[Dg8787]

20 K for 1 BR condo is a discount of 4 K. Official base rate is 24 K + 8 K service fee + electricity + reservation fee + security.

Even if 20 K sound better as 24 K, you will still pay more as 30 K per month (if you want cable TV and internet).

Anywhere you will have to pay for cable and internet. 4 K reduction in 24 k rent is decent.

[Dg8787]

My ex-girlfriend hit me up a couple of days ago and told me her place of employment, Reign Spa, has officially shut its doors. Not looking good for AC.

Many landlords are demanding full rent during the lock downs instead of working out and or reducing the rent. Thus losing the existing tenant.

Many businesses like a spa has very few built in tenant improvements that they can't take with them. This spa will probably relocate to a cheaper rent and better location.

A girl I know worked for a Korean Spa in Korea Town. They shut down too and are doing on calls. She said the business is slow but is the same with on call. The owner is much happier shedding his overhead.

[Mr Enternational]

My ex-girlfriend hit me up a couple of days ago and told me her place of employment, Reign Spa, has officially shut its doors. Not looking good for AC.

[Bamboo Pete]

Economically you would think they would be cheaper but to many business minds here it is better to sit vacant than to reduce the price. There are some 1 BR Kandi units now that can be had for 20 K as many are vacant with the absence of the Koreans....

20 K for 1 BR condo is a discount of 4 K. Official base rate is 24 K + 8 K service fee + electricity + reservation fee + security.

Even if 20 K sound better as 24 K, you will still pay more as 30 K per month (if you want cable TV and internet).

[Mr Enternational]

Agreed. Wonder how Pattaya started. Was it because of an Army base?

During the Vietnam War US troops were close by at Utapao Air Base. They would come to Pattaya to relax and drink. Chicks came. No different than it still is today. Word that a Navy ship is coming into port and the place fills up with chicks. My shipmates used to say that when they pulled in to Australia there was a bulletin board up where chicks had left their info for guys to contact them.

One counter example that I would give is Medellin. I don't think there were many foriegners to being with. But the fame of Paisas spread wide and far and then more mongers started coming to that magical city.

That is a totally different scenario. Medellin was already a big city with millions of people living there. The chicks in Medellin are from there and go home to their families at night.

Pattaya was a fishing village with 1 dirt road. The chicks here mostly come from farms in the rural eastern part of the country and room up together while they are in town. They put money in the bank for their family to draw out back home. Last night I was at the machine making a deposit and the chick at the machine next to me was depositing a mere 200 baht ($6). Every little bit helps and it goes a long way back where they are from.

[Fastpiston]

There is a tendency to prefer to have no business than accept a discounted price for rental. Could be face or pride or just zero business sense.

In such cases, just move on and look again, but leave your number and offer just in case second thoughts open up reality.

On selling it may be that the seller would rather leave a property or land as inheritance rather than leave money which is difficult to handle and taxed.

I am not sure Pattaya can be compared with Angeles for condos. Pattaya in in a different league.

With condos in Philippines, just make sure they were built properly, never take a sales person assurance. Most are poorly built with contractors often secretly taking shortcuts on materials. Remember also. Philippines is in an earthquake zone and Angeles is at the foot of Pinatubo.

[KilledSoul]

Personally, I think military bases, foreign mine startups etc show that where ever monied guys are then girls will naturally arrive. That then feeds an ever expanding loop as more guys, girls and tourists are attracted.

Cheers. G.

Agreed. Wonder how Pattaya started. Was it because of an Army base? One counter example that I would give is Medellin. I don't think there were many foriegners to being with. But the fame of Paisas spread wide and far and then more mongers started coming to that magical city.

[Beavis]

In this case, I hope AC goes the same way as Pattaya. After too many condos were built, and less people coming, they will become cheaper. Right now you pay in Kandi Tower or La Grande 30 k+ monthly, just for a studio.

Of course, I would love it if bars will open again, but I'm sure we can be glad if half of them open again. As you said, all we can do is speculate.

Economically you would think they would be cheaper but to many business minds here it is better to sit vacant than to reduce the price. There are some 1 BR Kandi units now that can be had for 20 K as many are vacant with the absence of the Koreans. The house next door to me has been for rent for a year and a half. Owner wants 30 K, is a big house with additional maids house but nobody wants to spend that much for it. They had an offer of 20 K for a 2 year lease and they turned it down. Meanwhile it continues to sit, one would think things will get cheaper but until it happens who knows. Without the appeal of Walking Street many of the places for rent will remain uninhabited, prices seem to be staying where they were with a couple of exceptions.

[Bamboo Pete]

Who knows but everywhere you look in AC there are new condos being built. Not one or two but probably about 50 new condo-plexes being built all over the city. Granted the ones there now are half empty but many new ones going up. That is quite different so the result will probably not be the same. All we can do is speculate now.

In this case, I hope AC goes the same way as Pattaya. After too many condos were built, and less people coming, they will become cheaper. Right now you pay in Kandi Tower or La Grande 30 k+ monthly, just for a studio.

Of course, I would love it if bars will open again, but I'm sure we can be glad if half of them open again. As you said, all we can do is speculate.

[Beavis]

To me what is happening in Angeles is rather like what happened in Ermita many years ago.

The causes were very different, the results the same.

In Ermita, it was booming with bars, restaurants and hotels all running at capacity.

Along came a politician who closed it all down to 'improve' the area.

What followed was Ermita becoming a squatter area dangerous at night over many decades.

Empty bars were taken over by squatters.

Even after several decades and the moving on of the 'enlightened' politician, it is very slowly improving but still a really miserable dirty area.

Now switch to 2020 and the virus replaces the politician.

Same process.

Bars close, hotels built go, restaurants close and like Ermita the low life move in as things go dilapidated.

Ermita taught us that after a close-down shock, recovery is virtually impossible.

Who knows but everywhere you look in AC there are new condos being built. Not one or two but probably about 50 new condo-plexes being built all over the city. Granted the ones there now are half empty but many new ones going up. That is quite different so the result will probably not be the same. All we can do is speculate now.

[Fastpiston]

To me what is happening in Angeles is rather like what happened in Ermita many years ago.

The causes were very different, the results the same.

In Ermita, it was booming with bars, restaurants and hotels all running at capacity.

Along came a politician who closed it all down to 'improve' the area.

What followed was Ermita becoming a squatter area dangerous at night over many decades.

Empty bars were taken over by squatters.

Even after several decades and the moving on of the 'enlightened' politician, it is very slowly improving but still a really miserable dirty area.

Now switch to 2020 and the virus replaces the politician.

Same process.

Bars close, hotels built go, restaurants close and like Ermita the low life move in as things go dilapidated.

Ermita taught us that after a close-down shock, recovery is virtually impossible.

[Goferring]

Fields will recover or it will not recover. Time will tell. Fields alway had to have one ingredient to survive. Bargirls. Without bargirls there would be no tourist. No tourist no need for hotels. Every business there relied on bar girls.

We had a chicken and the egg discussion here before about whether girls are needed first to attract mongers or if girls will appear where ever there are cashed up guys.

Personally, I think military bases, foreign mine startups etc show that where ever monied guys are then girls will naturally arrive. That then feeds an ever expanding loop as more guys, girls and tourists are attracted.

I guess that the opposite is also the case: when guys cease arriving the girls and business infrastructure soon collapses in on itself.

Cheers. G.