Angeles City

[D Cups]

Glad to see you are doing well on your retirement in Philippines. Make sure big knockers does not hit your head. LOL.

Copy that, Sam. If you are ever in Duma do look me up.

[D Cups]

If you are heading back to AC remember that pinalove girl we exchanged details on many years ago. She's active on there again and keen to meet you.

Hi AP, I do not recall. Did you have a different handle then? I'm back home now but will be going to AC again in August. It is only an hour flight from Cebu and another 30 minute flight to Cebu from Dumaguete. Wanted to PM you but it appears you don't have.

[AsianPursuits]

Just returned from 7 days in AC and 2 in Subic. I agree with what others are saying about runners and it applies to the Subic girls, too. So, plan on ST unless you have a steady like I do.

If you are heading back to AC remember that pinalove girl we exchanged details on many years ago. She's active on there again and keen to meet you.

[Sammon]

Just returned from 7 days in AC and 2 in Subic. I agree with what others are saying about runners and it applies to the Subic girls, too. So, plan on ST unless you have a steady like I do. Regarding BFs, bargains can be had if you lower your standards. I paid 1200 for a little minx with big firm tits from a hole-in-the-wall bar near Orchid Inn (name unrecalled) and the service was good even tho she was new to the bar scene. Otherwise, expect 2500 to 3500 BF plus tip for the beauties in AC. Your definition of beauty is different than the next guy. But it still beats the hell out of sex prison USA from which I have escaped for good. Didn't really see any beauties in Subic but got a double BJ from two 5's in the back of Voodoo Bar for about 1500 total which included the lady drinks. A street walker spinner approached me right outside the beach side of Wild Orchid in Subic and blew and banged me a good quickie for 1500. Back to Valencia, Negros Oriental now to be with my 21 year old main squeeze with the pretty face and nice knockers who treats me like a king. Then again, I'll be sponsoring her while she finishes her degree. BTW I wonder whatever happened to Choca Monger and Engine Driver. Covid casualties? Anyway the, the PH is probably better off without them what with their poor attitudes. One thing I learned from living here, guys, is you will not change the Philippines. The Philippines will change you (and for the better). Cheers, mates.

Glad to see you are doing well on your retirement in Philippines. Make sure big knockers does not hit your head. LOL.

[D Cups]

Just returned from 7 days in AC and 2 in Subic. I agree with what others are saying about runners and it applies to the Subic girls, too. So, plan on ST unless you have a steady like I do. Regarding BFs, bargains can be had if you lower your standards. I paid 1200 for a little minx with big firm tits from a hole-in-the-wall bar near Orchid Inn (name unrecalled) and the service was good even tho she was new to the bar scene. Otherwise, expect 2500 to 3500 BF plus tip for the beauties in AC. Your definition of beauty is different than the next guy. But it still beats the hell out of sex prison USA from which I have escaped for good. Didn't really see any beauties in Subic but got a double BJ from two 5's in the back of Voodoo Bar for about 1500 total which included the lady drinks. A street walker spinner approached me right outside the beach side of Wild Orchid in Subic and blew and banged me a good quickie for 1500. Back to Valencia, Negros Oriental now to be with my 21 year old main squeeze with the pretty face and nice knockers who treats me like a king. Then again, I'll be sponsoring her while she finishes her degree. BTW I wonder whatever happened to Choca Monger and Engine Driver. Covid casualties? Anyway the, the PH is probably better off without them what with their poor attitudes. One thing I learned from living here, guys, is you will not change the Philippines. The Philippines will change you (and for the better). Cheers, mates.

[Goferring]

The pre payment system has been in place for decades.

True. However, I wasn't suggesting that it has changed over time. I was comparing AC's prepaid system to areas where partial or fully post paid is the norm and the generally much better service levels there.

While I totally agree that simps and Daddies sending money for nothing online have dragged expectations down, Burgos has been subjected to the same influences but it's girls have largely kept their service mentality. I'd argue that's largely because those girls realise that if the session sucks, then their tip is likely to be impacted whereas a AC bargirl has very little at risk.

The difference is even greater for post paid freelancers or online app girls who could literally be shown the door with no compensation at all. I've had many online girls and I'm really struggling to recall a bad session. Flattering photos and fake ages yes but a poor session is exceedingly rare.

Cheers. G.

[The Rose]

The pre payment system has been in place for decades. The declining service levels is much more recent. I would say social media and internet is more likely the cause.

I can't speak for anyone else but my advancing age has probably increased the likelihood that a girl will run after one pop.

That being said one night on my final day in-country when I was completely sexed out, I told a girl that all I wanted was to cuddle until morning. But several hours later when she finally understood the bargain she entered into was she ever angry. So I just fucked her for the rest night but was only able to cum at first light. Then she left and I headed to the airport.

[Expat American]

It's no secret that AC's system of essentially 100% prepayment has crippled the service level. The girl and bar have no incentive to provide good service or even stay for the agreed upon time. Staying actually prevents them for returning for more drinks, barfines or simply a night off.

It's not a consequence that the best service is provided by areas that use 50% down for the bar then 50% paid AFTER the girl has finished. Even better 100% post paid like freelancers or online hookups.

Enjoy. G.

The pre payment system has been in place for decades. The declining service levels is much more recent. I would say social media and internet is more likely the cause. Lots of expectations are set by social media, both for the girls and the mongers. The new generation of mongers doesn't expect any better and new girls to the business do not know how it used to be in the good old days. Also before dating sites a lot of province girls would come to AC genuinely wanting to meet a foreigner to marry and behaved as such rather than mercenary bar girls. I have been visiting AC since 2004 and have seen the changes over time. You can still get LT with attractive girls. I did myself last week. But screening is more important and it does cost much more. Before 2010 you could pick any girl from any bar and have to push them out of the room in the morning for less than 1500 P. Now you select carefully and pay 3500 plus tip. And you don't get to sample the merch in the bar like you could before.

[NapaSlapper]

Unfortunately when a bar girl or a freelance girl desides to leave early then there is very little the punter can do about it.

Trying to make them stay and fulfill what they had previously promised will be fruitless, why, because the girl will resort to immediate tempo, making problems so that you just think it's better to let this girl go.

For the macho types that think they are going to boss the girl around and make her fulfill her promises then don't complain when you are down at the police station accused by the girl of rape.

I like many others prefer to go the short time route, saves plenty of aggravation IMHO.

[Goferring]

I no longer ask a girl to do long time. Does not matter if they agree to stay until morning, they probably will try to be a runner and sneak out once you pop anyway. Normally their cell phone rings and they come up with well rehearsed emergency excuses: "My baby needs milk, is sick, grandmother in the ER of Hospital, etc. " Short time is the only way to go now days. If you like her after short time then you can re-negotiate a long time price, etc. And only pay at 8 am. If they want to leave earlier they do not get anything more.

It's no secret that AC's system of essentially 100% prepayment has crippled the service level. The girl and bar have no incentive to provide good service or even stay for the agreed upon time. Staying actually prevents them for returning for more drinks, barfines or simply a night off.

It's not a consequence that the best service is provided by areas that use 50% down for the bar then 50% paid AFTER the girl has finished. Even better 100% post paid like freelancers or online hookups.

Enjoy. G.

[HumbleHal]

As for the girls. I advise that you all make sure that after the girl agrees to leave with you that she commits to staying until the morning. Many girls will want to leave after one pop in spite of the agreement. In that case they have forfeited any claim for a tip. If you are attractive the girl may indeed stay with you. That was the case when I was attractive but I am no longer attractive looking only distinguished looking and that won't sustain any interest with these girls.

I have been at bars when a girl returns from leaving her barfine after a only a short absence from the bar. It seems like the girls compete to see spends the least amount of time on a barfine; who can do the shortest short time. No, don't tip a runner.

I no longer ask a girl to do long time. Does not matter if they agree to stay until morning, they probably will try to be a runner and sneak out once you pop anyway. Normally their cell phone rings and they come up with well rehearsed emergency excuses: "My baby needs milk, is sick, grandmother in the ER of Hospital, etc. " Short time is the only way to go now days. If you like her after short time then you can re-negotiate a long time price, etc. And only pay at 8 am. If they want to leave earlier they do not get anything more.

[Mr Enternational]

I've been watching a few YouTube videos and noticed a big '24 Hour Massage' place about halfway down Fields Avenue, opposite Kokomos. What's the deal? Is it a setup like Sabai Dee in Pattaya?

There is not a soapy in Angeles.

[Sir Lancelot]

I'm beginning to research a trip to Philippines for early 2023. It will be my first time back for seven years and I'm excited to return. Diary incoming, you have been warned.

I've been watching a few YouTube videos and noticed a big '24 Hour Massage' place about halfway down Fields Avenue, opposite Kokomos. What's the deal? Is it a setup like Sabai Dee in Pattaya?

[NapaSlapper]

Trying to put a price on freelancers is impossible every girl is different.

Yes it might be possible to get a freelancer to stay with one long time for 2,000-3000 pesos but please note that these girls that are willing to stay long time for small amounts of money do not have the looks of the body to ask for any more.

Know of many freelance friends that demand 3,000 pesos per hour, no exceptions and because there are very few girls that have the looks the youth and the body to be able to have guys fighting over their time and willing to pay the bigger money, so why would such girls want to spend long time with customers when they can service three or four customers per day at 3,000 per time.

Talk of the nicer looking girls accepting less money and staying for longer periods because she likes a customer is just not true, prostitutes are in the business of making the most money in the shortest possible time, they certainly are not in the business of liking customers and giving discounts when there is absolutely no need to.

Sorry to destroy the dreams of many but pay smaller money and expect long time then one will not get a girl in demand want a younger slim attractive girl then paying her asking price and accepting her terms is the only way she's going to drop her panties.

[The Rose]

I've been watching many YT vlogs and reading many ISG posts on AC in anticipation of my 1st visit to PH in July. Almost all of the posts here and on YT lead me to think that unlike P Burgos / Makati, the BF paid in AC bars includes full service with no additional tip REQUIRED. Though a small tip of 100-300 pesos is typical for good service.

Now I just saw the linked Vlog below. This vlogger went into several Walking street bars and recorded BF, Mamasan tips, and lady drink costs in addition to what appears to be a mandatory additional fee of 1 k pesos when the girl leaves your room. Can anyone verify if this is the current (I suppose we can call it "Post-COVID) practice and expectation?.

Tipping is a topic often covered on ISG and it is a source of contention among ISG members. Tipping is a western practice and it is pernicious. Unfortunately some westerners can't shake off the practice and deliberately want to introduce into the PI. I am a minimalist as regards tipping. I will tip my housekeeper at the hotel to get early service and extra towels.

As for the girls. I advise that you all make sure that after the girl agrees to leave with you that she commits to staying until the morning. Many girls will want to leave after one pop in spite of the agreement. In that case they have forfeited any claim for a tip. If you are attractive the girl may indeed stay with you. That was the case when I was attractive but I am no longer attractive looking only distinguished looking and that won't sustain any interest with these girls.

I have been at bars when a girl returns from leaving her barfine after a only a short absence from the bar. It seems like the girls compete to see spends the least amount of time on a barfine; who can do the shortest short time. No, don't tip a runner.