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[Cyber Whip]

Going to have to disagree with this a bit. I almost never tip, except p50 or 100 for jeepney. The Vikings group girls get p1000 of the p1800 barfine. None has asked for a tip, I have repeaters that are glad for the work. For her p1000 from the barfine, she will perform 2x and stay until 10am. Also some repeaters that are glad to spend an afternoon with me ST for p500+jeep. My not tipping them has not made any run away. I've had had only one runner in cebu; she left at 3:30am because she had a second job (cleaning maid) that she had not told her mamasan about (Sisters bar). She is pictured in the photo thread.

Same disagreement. Bargirls and DIA contacts are happy to get 500/1000+jeep for ST / LT in Cebu. How do I know they are happy? Because they repeat, and / or offer a friend or cousin.

In your mind, its easy to rationalize that kind of thinking, that the girls getting a tip will perform better. That's not necessarily true. The same girl you barfine who gets p1000+500 tip from you, will come over to me on her evening off and get 1000+jeep (or afternoon p500+jeep) , and repeat it with me with a good level of performance (obviously I don't accept repeats of bad performers). If the girl has a choice of going with Cyber (higher pay) and myself, she will choose Cyber. But if she has no customer at the moment, she will go with almost any customer, even if he does not pay much.

An analogy. My brother has a successful business now. Previously, for some years, the business struggled. Currently, he only accepts clients that can pay well, and pay now. He has, in his mind, a way of calculating profit. He will hardly even return a phone call or email from a potential customer if he does not see a healthy profit for his service on a particular job. He can afford to be without work this week (or longer). Its not worth his time to take a job that, after expenses, profits only $100 (chump change). On the other hand, when the business was younger, he could not afford to be without work. If two clients called on the same day, he would take the job that calculated the larger profit. If he had no work that day, he would take ANY job, even if the profit was $10. ANY profit is profit. When you have a mouth (or mouths) to feed, you don't turn work down (referrals and repeats are important).

Which of these two categories do the girls fall into? The second category (she and her biz are young, she has mouths to feed). She would be happy with Cyber's barfine of 1000+500 tip, and she will be fine with my 1000+jeep. She will not necessarily perform better for Cyber than for me (she's already repeating and performing well for me, and learning my likes / dislikes).

My comment on Cebu was for very basic comparison purposes only in an AC thread:

It's kind of hard to say you disagree then go on to say the same thing I just said "at the end of the night the girls bag about 1000-1500", you just said the girl gets 1000. Anyways, I was talking very very general terms for Cebu in an AC thread. I'm sure any city has a wide range of operating parameters. You can choose to tip there or not but I can say 100% for sure, if you do not then you are considered tihik.

I guess your other arguments are valid for girls that do not get much action, maybe barfine 2 or 3 times per month. If a girl knows she can do short time and run back to bar and get another customer, she is going to bolt, especially if she knows you're not giving her a tip. Again, we are talking Cebu here, AC seems to have a different MO. I don't have to barfine or tip in Cebu anymore so it's not an issue for me.

It all comes down to this. I have talked to many girls in Cebu, Manila, AC, and as I said even gf's. I'm not expecting anyone to take what I say as gospel and we can all find some exceptions. But. 95% of the girls I have asked, without question, would rather go with Koreans, especially in Manila and more exactly in MBC. They have a saying for the Koreans "3-3-3".3 inches. 3 minutes. 3000p! The same is true in Cebu, AC or any other place. It's always about the money and it's always going to be about the money. Some do prefer white guys, they say we are nicer or they just prefer our looks, etc. Some are looking to get married and go West out of Phil.

My only question to the AC regulars about tipping is this. If you never tip and you pay the same barfine for ST as LT, what does the girl care to run after one pop, back to bar and get another customer? I can't say I would blame her. I'm just asking, not trying to p1ss anyone off. If that's the way it is in AC then that's fine by me.

[WestCoast1]

Cebu is more of a mixed bag, but at the end of the night the girl generally gains 1000-1500 total between barfine cut and tip. That is the general rule unless you are Korean, then its easily triple that number to the girl, they just don't care.

Going to have to disagree with this a bit. I almost never tip, except p50 or 100 for jeepney. The Vikings group girls get p1000 of the p1800 barfine. None has asked for a tip, I have repeaters that are glad for the work. For her p1000 from the barfine, she will perform 2x and stay until 10am. Also some repeaters that are glad to spend an afternoon with me ST for p500+jeep. My not tipping them has not made any run away. I've had had only one runner in cebu; she left at 3:30am because she had a second job (cleaning maid) that she had not told her mamasan about (Sisters bar). She is pictured in the photo thread.

I profess that we must tip something for the better girls otherwise there is no benefit for a great performance. They would all just be runners because they give your one pop then they are out, they already have their money and you can't complain to mamasan. Are you kidding me? Why in the world would they go LT with you when they could do 3 or 4 ST in a night, for the better looking girls? They ain't doing this because they like you, most are living on a bag of chips and a coke a day, most live on less than 100 pesos per day. I could however agree to 0 for runner. 100 for good ST, maybe 200-400 for LT good experience. I have dated some of these girls for long periods, I know how they think, it's all about the money to them.

Same disagreement. Bargirls and DIA contacts are happy to get 500/1000+jeep for ST / LT in Cebu. How do I know they are happy? Because they repeat, and / or offer a friend or cousin.

In your mind, its easy to rationalize that kind of thinking, that the girls getting a tip will perform better. That's not necessarily true. The same girl you barfine who gets p1000+500 tip from you, will come over to me on her evening off and get 1000+jeep (or afternoon p500+jeep) , and repeat it with me with a good level of performance (obviously I don't accept repeats of bad performers). If the girl has a choice of going with Cyber (higher pay) and myself, she will choose Cyber. But if she has no customer at the moment, she will go with almost any customer, even if he does not pay much.

An analogy. My brother has a successful business now. Previously, for some years, the business struggled. Currently, he only accepts clients that can pay well, and pay now. He has, in his mind, a way of calculating profit. He will hardly even return a phone call or email from a potential customer if he does not see a healthy profit for his service on a particular job. He can afford to be without work this week (or longer). Its not worth his time to take a job that, after expenses, profits only $100 (chump change). On the other hand, when the business was younger, he could not afford to be without work. If two clients called on the same day, he would take the job that calculated the larger profit. If he had no work that day, he would take ANY job, even if the profit was $10. ANY profit is profit. When you have a mouth (or mouths) to feed, you don't turn work down (referrals and repeats are important).

Which of these two categories do the girls fall into? The second category (she and her biz are young, she has mouths to feed). She would be happy with Cyber's barfine of 1000+500 tip, and she will be fine with my 1000+jeep. She will not necessarily perform better for Cyber than for me (she's already repeating and performing well for me, and learning my likes / dislikes).

[Cyber Whip]

I agree that none of the girls should be given a tip, but these are new times in AC. There are loads of punters handing over extra cash to everybody (not just hookers) in AC now. So, unfortunately, you kinda have to find a comfortable balance with tipping maybe just a little bit for trike fair or food.

But to tell everyone not to tip is like telling everyone to wear a condom. People will do what they want always.

I don't believe in spoiling anyone in the 3rd world. Let's face it, places like AC are good because they are cheap. Suppose the prices were double or triple in AC and every girl was a total spoiled. Would you still patronize the place? Spoiling the pinoys ads zero benefit. Keep them poor and needy or else they won't need mongers any more.

Well guys, I really like the spirited comments on tipping. I think I'm starting to see how AC rolls.

In comparison, Manila girls will almost always "negotiate" 1000-2000 tip in the EDSA bars, else they won't go, that has been my experience, they get nothing from the barfine.

Cebu is more of a mixed bag, but at the end of the night the girl generally gains 1000-1500 total between barfine cut and tip. That is the general rule unless you are Korean, then its easily triple that number to the girl, they just don't care.

I profess that we must tip something for the better girls otherwise there is no benefit for a great performance. They would all just be runners because they give your one pop then they are out, they already have their money and you can't complain to mamasan. Are you kidding me? Why in the world would they go LT with you when they could do 3 or 4 ST in a night, for the better looking girls? They ain't doing this because they like you, most are living on a bag of chips and a coke a day, most live on less than 100 pesos per day. I could however agree to 0 for runner. 100 for good ST, maybe 200-400 for LT good experience. I have dated some of these girls for long periods, I know how they think, it's all about the money to them.

[Amjeck]

Never ever tip. Its a bad habit of simple minded people to increase their mediocre status in the society.

I agree that none of the girls should be given a tip, but these are new times in AC. There are loads of punters handing over extra cash to everybody (not just hookers) in AC now. So, unfortunately, you kinda have to find a comfortable balance with tipping maybe just a little bit for trike fair or food.

But to tell everyone not to tip is like telling everyone to wear a condom. People will do what they want always.

I don't believe in spoiling anyone in the 3rd world. Let's face it, places like AC are good because they are cheap. Suppose the prices were double or triple in AC and every girl was a total spoiled *****. Would you still patronize the place? Spoiling the pinoys ads zero benefit. Keep them poor and needy or else they won't need mongers any more.

[Amjeck]

I tipped the girls 200p or 300p each. They appreciated it, but I got the feeling that they did not really expect it unlike their Thai cousins.

Interesting.

I find it the other way around. From my experience, Thais never ask or expect tips, but AC pinos do.

[Wadman]

To Wadman / cyberwhip.

I will never tip a runner no way don't spoil the market most we should tip is 500 peso if service is good and she stay until the morning, if you tip a runner that tell her is ok to leave early.

Fast Eddie 48

Yes, Fast Eddie. And if you read Cyberwhip's and my posts more carefully, you would have realized that neither of us advocated tipping runners. In fact, I explicitly stated so :

"- 0 for runners, real crappy performance."

So not sure why that comment was directed at us.

On another note.

So what is a really good performer? How about if she stays with you 24 hours a day (taking the girl multiple days of course) and initiate more rounds than you can handle. To the point where your say: no more! My dick is too sore.

[Cyber Whip]

To Wadman / cyberwhip.

I will never tip a runner no way don't spoil the market most we should tip is 500 peso if service is good and she stay until the morning, if you tip a runner that tell her is ok to leave early.

Fast Eddie 48

Yeah, I agree that's why I put that in the 0-500. Definitely 0 for a runner. These were ranges I was giving, so, a very good ST performer could be 200 maybe, especially if ST was the preferred service to begin with.

Sounds like I have been to generous for LT, maybe I should be tipping in the 500-700 range for LT and good performance. I'll have to give that a go next time and see the response.

To the guys that say "no way, no tip, ever", I like to think of it as an incentive. Obviously, the girl is not aware that I am going to tip her to start with, so yeah, maybe they are surprised that I will tip. I like the girl to know, or at least think in her mind, that her great effort to please a guy might pay off. Especially if I plan on taking her again. Same principal as tipping in restaurants. Really, a $3-$5 tip ain't going to make a big difference to me. If a girl is LT and only a fair a performer, then yeah she is getting 500 or less. It really depends on the situation. I guess I could make it something like 200 a pop, after the first one.

I don't agree dropping a lot of cash to have fun, there are at least 6000 girls on Field's alone, granted most are not lookers, but at the end of the night the result is all the same. But I do like to throw a small incentive for a great experience.

Definitely would like to hear more opinions on tipping, especially in AC. I plan to make many more trips there soon.

[Edward M]

I consider myself a pretty good tipper. In Bangkok, my favorite hunting ground, I usually give Go Go girls 300bt to 500bt (tops) tip. In other words, I give a minimum 15% tip on top of the service charge, not the bar fine, of 1500bt to 2000bt, if she gave me a real good time and I liked her company. If I did not get great service or there was something wrong with the girl's attitude; I do not tip.

In my 5 day first time AC trip, I exclusively took girls out of small Fields Street Bars like Dirty Duck, Gecko, Lollipops, and Body Shop. The EWR was always 1500p. Every AC Filipina bar girl showed me a good time in the bar and at my hotel. I had no runners or non performers. I tipped the girls 200p or 300p each. They appreciated it, but I got the feeling that they did not really expect it unlike their Thai cousins. From my experience then, I recommend tipping 200p to 300p for a 1500p EWR bar girl (13% to 20%) but only if she shows you a good time. Don't be stingy. These girls deserve a little something extra when they do a good job. On the other hand, a tip should be strictly at the discretion of the customer. Do not reward less than very good performance.

I agree that flipping an AC bar girl a 1000p tip to be a little crazy. That works out to a 33% tip for a 3000p EWR showgirl or a ridiculous 67% tip for a 1500p EWR girl. But it is up to the guy. Those big tippers must perceive some kind of return on their extravagance or they are just irrational. I don't think it impacts the market too much.

Do you really think the Thai girls expect additional tips? I think it is different there because you negotiate the tip upfront and all of the money you give them goes directly to them. The week I spent in Pattaya I only tipped one girl 100 baht. She was a beer bar girl working at my hotel. She initially asked for 1500 but I talked her down to 1200. She stayed a long time with me until about 3:30PM which was just enough time to go home and get ready to go back to work. I contemplated giving her the 1500 she initially asked for but when she was ready to leave she asked for 1300 so I gave it to her.

Anyway this is the AC thread not Pattaya. My week in AC the first girl I took I walked her back to her boarding house in the morning. Talking to members here before my trip I was wary of overtipping. She did not seem to expect a tip and she was already home so I did not give her one. The next night I got a runner so there was no chance for a tip. The next night I met an Australian guy and then met him for breakfast after. He gave his girl a substantial tip (700-1000 I think) and thus shamed me into tipping my girl 400. After that I gave my LT girls 200-300 and ST nothing and everyone seemed happy with that. My last 2 nights were spent with the same girl including my last night which was her night off. I did not tip her after the first night and gave her 1500 when she left. I figured she would normally get around 700 from her share of the EWR so that would work out to around an 800 tip for 2 nights. I do not know if she thought that was fair or not but she pesters me now all the time via email wondering when I am coming back.

[Amadeuss]

Never ever tip. Its a bad habit of simple minded people to increase their mediocre status in the society.

Did you ever tip your dentist if he pulls a teeth?

Did you ever tip your mechanic for changing oil on your wreck?

Did you ever tip your wife for serving you?

Why then tipping a working girl for a job done on a price agreed earlier? Not logic for me at all.

[Member #4698]

I hear more and more guys flipping girls 500-1000 notes these days.

Now I know why AC girls are so bitchy. These tips are so high, but I guess this is today's AC, not yesterdays. Everything changes!

I consider myself a pretty good tipper. In Bangkok, my favorite hunting ground, I usually give Go Go girls 300bt to 500bt (tops) tip. In other words, I give a minimum 15% tip on top of the service charge, not the bar fine, of 1500bt to 2000bt, if she gave me a real good time and I liked her company. If I did not get great service or there was something wrong with the girl's attitude; I do not tip.

In my 5 day first time AC trip, I exclusively took girls out of small Fields Street Bars like Dirty Duck, Gecko, Lollipops, and Body Shop. The EWR was always 1500p. Every AC Filipina bar girl showed me a good time in the bar and at my hotel. I had no runners or non performers. I tipped the girls 200p or 300p each. They appreciated it, but I got the feeling that they did not really expect it unlike their Thai cousins. From my experience then, I recommend tipping 200p to 300p for a 1500p EWR bar girl (13% to 20%) but only if she shows you a good time. Don't be stingy. These girls deserve a little something extra when they do a good job. On the other hand, a tip should be strictly at the discretion of the customer. Do not reward less than very good performance. You do not have to tip if you do not want to.

I agree that flipping an AC bar girl a 1000p tip to be a little crazy. That works out to a 33% tip for a 3000p EWR showgirl or a ridiculous 67% tip for a 1500p EWR girl. But it is up to the guy. Those big tippers must perceive some kind of return on their extravagance or they are just irrational. I don't think it impacts the market too much. The girls view these big tippers as a rarity.

[Amjeck]

0-500 for short time or runners, depending on the experience.

500-1000 for long time, again depending on the service.

I hear more and more guys flipping girls 500-1000 notes these days.

Now I know why AC girls are so bitchy. These tips are so high, but I guess this is today's AC, not yesterdays. Everything changes!

[Ezinho]

Best to ask are you available, if yes buy drink. If no fuck off. Don't waste the pesos on drink sluts. Keep for some bird who shows interest.

A technique that has worked for me in the past is to just bypass buying a LD altogether. Sometimes what I would do is just sit right near the stage and chat a girl up I liked while she's up there swaying back and forth. Talk to her for a few minutes and if you sense there's some chemistry just ask her if she wants to barfine right there and then, without even buying a LD. If she agrees she'll exit the stage to go change into her street clothes. If she says no, then just wait for a few minutes and a new rotation of girls will be infront of you sawaying back and forth. Lather, rinse, repeat until someone you like says yes.

Of course, the romantics among us won't like this idea, but they probably shouldn't be mongering in the first place.

Other guys have mentioned on here to chose the girl that "picks you", and that's an option too, but I've found that most of those girls look like dogs. They have to be aggressive to make any money. But, that's an option as well.

[Kirra Dude]

So I guess the both places end up fairly similar in price for the girls. Cool. I can't wait to get there. I must admit I'm a big fan of choclate big brown nipples and know that Thai birds nips are sensationally big and choclate. Have checked the pinay girls and you seem to get I some of those higher priced girls. There is one place that is a complete rip-off, can'ta wide selection so something to look foreward too. Thanks for the info. Hoping for an October landing so might see ya there. Remember the name but its a big place in the back of another place, anyways the barfine was something crazy like 4000+ and the girls there for the most part didn't seem to be any nicer than the ones in the smaller joints. 1500 price. It seems most places the girl gets about half the barfine.

Everyone has their own opinions on tipping but my experience is:

0-500 for short time or runners, depending on the experience.

500-1000 for long time, again depending on the service.

Most time the girl is very appreciative that I give them anything, so these numbers may be high, or it was just my false impression.

Also, one other thing, they like to call it "early work release" instead of barfine there. Technically you are buying a certain number of lady drinks, usually 10, to allow her to leave the bar. Unfortunately you don't actually get those drinks and the girl. .

Like I said, I have limited time there, so feel free to correct me on any of these numbers. I have a "regular contact" working there, so, I can get some additional info if you need it. Looking forward to getting back there very soon for extended stay. [/QUOTE]

[Dad Fun 555]

Does the bar scene especially on Fields differ much according to the day of the week? Are certain days busier with more customers, and are certain days better for overall selection of the ladies? I mainly come to Angeles during the week (Monday. Thursday) and I wonder if things are different on Friday / Saturday.

[Iching]

Why go to Pattaya.

This is a quick noobie question. From research it seems that AC is much cheaper than Thailand and Pattaya for that matter. It seems the prices double in Thailand. So why are so many people still heading for Thailand and not AC?

If you could do a SE asian trip and have two weeks to spare for AC and Pattaya, how many days would you devote to each? Obviously you would spend a few days in Pattaya just for the experience. What is so good about Pattaya that is not avaiiable in AC?

Thanks

For me its a straight flight from London to Bangkok and I'm used to Thailand and the way it is.